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Reply #30 - September 07, 2011, 05:29 AM

Quote from: Aphrodite on September 07, 2011, 01:53 AM

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Big deal!

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Reply #31 - September 07, 2011, 05:53 AM

Its never enough is it? To change the lyrics of a Metric song "all the condemnations of all the Muslims in the world couldnt get you off..."

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #32 - September 07, 2011, 07:06 AM

@^Deusvult. Have you actually checked out any of those links?

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Reply #33 - September 07, 2011, 07:42 AM

Quote from: Aphrodite on September 07, 2011, 01:53 AM

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Nice one. I usually link people to the link on that site, the one about Islamic Statements against Terrorism (http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/). They're taken from mostly public sources, yet people still insist on the myth of muslims not condemning fundamentalist extremism.
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Reply #34 - September 07, 2011, 09:31 AM

Quote from: Aphrodite on September 07, 2011, 01:53 AM

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

I don't fcuking care what the link says. I know what it's like here in my own country, and the consensus among Muslims is NOBODY GIVES A FUCK. Nobody goes out to protest against killings between Sunni and Shia muslims. Nobody goes out to protest against apostates or homosexuals being executed. Nobody goes out to protest against mistreatment of women in Islamic countries. Nobody goes out to protest against Hamas shooting rockets into civilian areas. FCUKING NOBODY.

Yet, when the coalition forces were invading afghanistan, there were people protesting in the streets. When the GAza flotilla got raided, there were people protesting in the streets. I just fcuking wish Joe Muslims would be this sincere when it comes to criticizing the darker aspects of Islam.

During 9/11, the morning I woke up, my mother showed me the footage on the TV showing the planes hitting the towers, and said to me "This is what real Jihad is like". And at school, when the teacher came into class that morning and announced what happened, the whole fcuking class cheered and clapped their hands in agreement. This is the fcuking reality.
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Reply #35 - September 07, 2011, 05:28 PM

Quote from: Kodanshi on September 07, 2011, 07:42 AM
Nice one. I usually link people to the link on that site, the one about Islamic Statements against Terrorism (http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/). They're taken from mostly public sources, yet people still insist on the myth of muslims not condemning fundamentalist extremism.

They're deaf, dumb and blind Meh I'm sick of this "muslims do this, muslims do that" bullshit. If you replace "muslims" with "Jews" you'd get called all sorts (rightly so) I mean how absurd and wrong is it to say something like "Jews don't condemn terrorism" or "Christians don't condemn terrorism" ? But yet for some fucking reason its ok to say that about muslims and get away with it.

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I don't fcuking care what the link says.

You should because it refutes your argument of muslims not condemning terrorism.

Quote from: truth_seeker on September 07, 2011, 09:31 AM
I know what it's like here in my own country, and the consensus among Muslims is NOBODY GIVES A FUCK.

Now you're just shifting the goalposts. Its gone from "muslims" (implying all of them and that they're all the same) not condemning terrorism to muslims in your country.......since when was your country a representative of the Ummah?
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Reply #36 - September 07, 2011, 06:07 PM

Quote from: Aphrodite on September 07, 2011, 05:28 PM
Now you're just shifting the goalposts. Its gone from "muslims" (implying all of them and that they're all the same) not condemning terrorism to muslims in your country.......since when was your country a representative of the Ummah?

Since when I was shifting goalposts? I clearly stated in a previous post that this is the way of muslims in my country. And then the guy replied simply by posting that link, as if that alone would somehow make my claim invalid.
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Reply #37 - September 07, 2011, 06:10 PM

You said "But we never rarely ever hear these Joe Muslims criticize the extremist fundamentalist side of Islam" .
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Reply #38 - September 07, 2011, 06:44 PM

Quote from: truth_seeker on September 07, 2011, 09:31 AM
I don't fcuking care what the link says. I know what it's like here in my own country, and the consensus among Muslims is NOBODY GIVES A FUCK. Nobody goes out to protest against killings between Sunni and Shia muslims.

When was the last time you went out and protested killings, and for which?
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Reply #39 - September 08, 2011, 06:02 AM

Quote from: Aphrodite on September 07, 2011, 06:10 PM
You said "But we never rarely ever hear these Joe Muslims criticize the extremist fundamentalist side of Islam" .

In which one of those links you provided does "Joe Muslim" unequivocally condemn murder in the name of Allah Aphrodite? A number of the links are dead from where I'm sitting. There is one by the MCB. One by Hamas-linked CAIR. Can statements by these stealth jihad outfits be taken at face value?

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Reply #40 - September 08, 2011, 06:04 AM

So let me get this straight, you are pissed off that muslims don't condemn terror. But when they do they are "stealth jihadist outfits"? You've gotten a lot more retarded than the last time I dwelt this forum.

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Reply #41 - September 08, 2011, 06:19 AM

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So let me get this straight, you are pissed off that muslims don't condemn terror. But when they do they are "stealth jihadist outfits"? You've gotten a lot more retarded than the last time I dwelt this forum.

My point is that MCB and CAIR are examples of ORGANIZATIONS not "JOE MUSLIM". Secondly they are organizations with a history of links to "extremist" groups and any statements they make "condemning" violence can reasonably be be viewed with a large degree of scepticism. Or do you think Inaayat Bunglawala is a "moderate"? Thirdly, a number of those links are more concerned with divesting non-Muslims of any "misconceptions" they have that Islam is a violent religion rather than condemning Islamic terrorism. MORE ON MCB

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Reply #42 - September 08, 2011, 06:26 AM

I consider organizations like CAIR and MCB as Islamist fronts, but they are NOT *terrorist* fronts.. or even terror apologists. Islamists have their violent sorts that want to kill infidels, and their sophisticated sort that want to gain as much power as they can via legitimate political means - its a very important distinction. One wants to violate your right to life, the others don't. You clearly show a total ignorance in understanding the nuances of the matter, there IS a different between being an apologetic or participant of terror and just being politically active Islamist. Sure I disagree and despise the agenda of CAIR and the MCB, they are dishonest and rotten.. but I know their types and worked closely with them in the past (CAIR anyways) and they are many many bad things... but they are not terrorist sympathizers, for the most part anyways.

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Reply #43 - September 08, 2011, 06:36 AM

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I consider organizations like CAIR and MCB as Islamist fronts, but they are NOT *terrorist* fronts..

Whatever they are or aren't they are not "Joe Muslim".

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Islamists have their violent sorts that want to kill infidels, and their sophisticated sort that want to gain as much power as they can via legitimate political means - its a very important distinction. One wants to violate your right to life, the others don't. You clearly show a total ignorance in understanding the nuances of the matter,

Yes we are always hearing about these "nunaces" and "complexities"!

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there IS a different between being an apologetic or participant of terror and just being politically active Islamist.

Just as there was a difference between being a non-violent activist of the NAZI party and a front-line SS warrior in the thick of the fighting.

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Reply #44 - September 08, 2011, 06:40 AM

That's it?

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Reply #45 - September 08, 2011, 06:42 AM

You're a fucking cartoon.

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Reply #46 - September 08, 2011, 01:27 PM

Quote from: Jesus Christ on September 08, 2011, 06:40 AM
That's it?

Sure is. The "difference" between the "politically active Islamist" and the frontline jihadist is as significant in the overall picture as the "difference" between their equivalents in the Nazi movement.

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Reply #47 - September 08, 2011, 01:28 PM

Quote from: Jesus Christ on September 08, 2011, 06:42 AM
You're a fucking cartoon.

Thanks for the suggestion.

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Reply #48 - September 09, 2011, 05:04 AM

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Are you trying to claim that there are not large numbers of Muslims who do not knowingly whitewash Islam for non-Muslim consumption?

Of which MORE

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Reply #49 - September 09, 2011, 11:07 PM

Re: the link. I read the word ‘taqqiya’ and immediately passed out. Then I woke from my bored stupor and decided to go to a page that doesn’t use the same spewing fountain of bullshit from the biblical Book of Bollocks over and over again.
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