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  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #90 - September 12, 2011, 05:35 PM

    Yeah, they only killed 3000 people when they could have killed 10,000.. they sure weren't aiming for civilian casualties.  Afro


    Hey, they don't seem so bad when you put it like that.

    Those guys were so compassionate  Afro

    If they weren't going for incinerating thousands and only wanted to attack symbolic targets they could have destroyed the statue of liberty, which is just about the most iconic, metaphorically rich and resonant American symbol there is, right next to the twin towers............(but what do we know, maybe these guys were just misunderstood)


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #91 - September 12, 2011, 05:37 PM

    It just makes me kinda mad to see the theatrics, and the big deal they make out of just 1 terrorist attack, when largely as a result of their own policies Pakistan is attacked so often that people think of it as a routine occurance.

    Its like seeing a fat rich kid moaning about being stung by a bee. It makes you think, what the fuck are you making the fuss about?

    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #92 - September 12, 2011, 05:41 PM

    Hey, they don't seem so bad when you put it like that.

    Those guys were so compassionate  Afro

    If they weren't going for incinerating thousands and only wanted to attack symbolic targets they could have destroyed the statue of liberty, which is just about the most iconic, metaphorically rich and resonant American symbol there is, right next to the twin towers............(but what do we know, maybe these guys were just misunderstood)




    It's just a ridiculous line of logic that, quite frankly, emanates from a latent anti-americanism that many of us hold onto so dearly. Lots of people were murdered ffs, stop trying to slant shit to make it look like some guerilla operation.. IT WASN'T. It'a mass murder. Period.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #93 - September 12, 2011, 05:44 PM

    It just makes me kinda mad to see the theatrics, and the big deal they make out of just 1 terrorist attack, when largely as a result of their own policies Pakistan is attacked so often that people think of it as a routine occurance.

    Its like seeing a fat rich kid moaning about being stung by a bee. It makes you think, what the fuck are you making the fuss about?



    Maybe the problem is with Pakistanis and the fact that they don't care about their own? Why should america stoop to your level?

    I'm not so surprised with your attitude though. After all Pakistan did murder hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshis without batting an eyelid.. not a big surprise if they don't give a shit about their own. Life is cheap in that part of the world.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #94 - September 12, 2011, 05:45 PM

    It just makes me kinda mad to see the theatrics, and the big deal they make out of just 1 terrorist attack, when largely as a result of their own policies Pakistan is attacked so often that people think of it as a routine occurance.

    Its like seeing a fat rich kid moaning about being stung by a bee. It makes you think, what the fuck are you making the fuss about?



    Its not, its more like seeing one country who reacts to a terrorist attack as a horrific tragedy and mourns the victims, while another country accepts terrorism as routine, blames everyone else and whines with self pity when they don't get the same sympathy as the first country.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #95 - September 12, 2011, 05:49 PM

    Most Pakistanis don't know about the grand performance of their army in the 1971 war. Its very well hidden in the textbooks to make it seem like the whole war was a result of indian policies. Most Pakistanis who live here and haven't researched it, don't even know what really happened, they still think india attacked Pakistan or something, and caused the breakup of bandgladesh. Hence the 'not batting an eyelash thing'.

    Anyway, I'm not complaining about why they have a memorial day and we don't. I'm saying, its annoying that they make such a big deal out of just one terrorist attack when others have been struck by hundreds. Arguably the iraq war was itself an act of mass terrorism.

    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #96 - September 12, 2011, 05:51 PM

    Why is it annoying? Just turn off the fucking TV if you don't like it. Not gonna lie, I could give half-a-shit about 9/11 docs and commemorations. Only part I like is when they replay footage, cos gotta admit those attacks were kinda epic. But I don't bitch about them holding memorials, I just turn off the TV and hold my tongue. They have the right to mourn and commemorate as much as they want!

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #97 - September 12, 2011, 05:52 PM

    Its not, its more like seeing one country who reacts to a terrorist attack as a horrific tragedy and mourns the victims, while another country accepts terrorism as routine, blames everyone else and whines with self pity when they don't get the same sympathy as the first country.

    You would accept it as a routine too if it occurred several times a month in your country. And I'm not blaming anyone else (although others do). All I'm saying is, spare me the theatrics. You had 1 terrorist attack, we've had hundreds. Stop making such a big deal out of your one terrorist attack, just because you're rich doesn't mean your 1 attack is more special than our 100s.

    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #98 - September 12, 2011, 05:53 PM

    Why is it annoying? Just turn off the fucking TV if you don't like it. Not gonna lie, I could give half-a-shit about 9/11 docs and commemorations. Only part I like is whe they replay footage, cos gotta admit those attacks were kinda epic. But I don't bitch about them holding memorials, I just turn off the TV and hold my tongue. They have the right to mourn and commemorate as much as they want!

    And I have the right to give my opinion if it pisses me off when they make a big deal out of it. Just don't reply to me if it annoys you. Umadbro?  cool2

    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #99 - September 12, 2011, 05:54 PM

     Cheesy

    Actually, yeah I am mad.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #100 - September 12, 2011, 05:59 PM

    Btw, interesting tidbit. Do you know of the bengali pilot who tried to hijack a pakistani plane and take it to india or bengladesh and then a pakistani pilot is supposed to have crashed the plane instead of letting him? Most pakistanis think that pilot was indian rather than bengali.

    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #101 - September 12, 2011, 06:02 PM

    You would accept it as a routine too if it occurred several times a month in your country. And I'm not blaming anyone else (although others do). All I'm saying is, spare me the theatrics. You had 1 terrorist attack, we've had hundreds. Stop making such a big deal out of your one terrorist attack, just because you're rich doesn't mean your 1 attack is more special than our 100s.


    Dude - I grew up in Northern Ireland, don't lecture me about terrorist attacks.  Funny how you don't hear the Irish whingeing and whining about American "theatrics" over 9/11.  We respect their right to mourn their dead, the same way we mourn victims of Bloody Sunday, etc.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #102 - September 12, 2011, 06:16 PM

    The number of civilians killed in ireland,1857 [1]. which is less than the dead in 9/11 (which is around 3k). Number of civilians dead in pakistan, 9,620, with 3.44 million displaced [2]. If we move on to civilian deaths in afghanistan and iraq, the number would easily be above 30k for both countries.

    Like I said, spare me the theatrics.

    [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
    [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_North-West_Pakistan

    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #103 - September 12, 2011, 06:24 PM

    The numbers of dead don't change the fact that terrorist attacks were a frequent occurence in a small plot of land with a small population.  Look at the numbers of caualties as a proportion of the population, and you get a more accurate picture of what the Troubles were like.

    And you can stop asking people to spare you the theatrics.  Its not theatrics for people to mourn their losses, its normal human behaviour.  That Pakistan apparently doesn't engage in it, and even resents other countries engaging in it, doesn't say anything good about Pakistan. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #104 - September 12, 2011, 06:31 PM



    America doesn't care about Pakistani people!

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  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #105 - September 12, 2011, 06:33 PM

    The attacks were underway when my alarm clock came on with my morning news radio. I was still mostly asleep as the story was being reported, and so the events were happening in my dream. It was surreal when I finally became fully awake to realize it wasn't a dream, that it was actually happening. I was just lying there unmoving, listening to the news, and feeling bewildered and angry. Finally I realized I had made myself late for work, so I rushed out of the house. I was a new Muslim at the time. I had converted just a few months prior, although I had been studying Islam and interacting with the local Muslims for about a year. I was also wearing hijab at that point. I was working for a Muslim doctor, and he was one of those Muslims that my convert friends always complained about because he didn't bother giving the prophet's greeting of salam, and instead would just say hi. And for the entire time I worked for him, he would greet me in the morning with "Hi." Except that day. That day, when I rushed in late, he greeted me with the full assalamualaikom wa rahmatullah wa barakatu. I think I mumbled back walaikum salam, and then he ran off, and for the rest of the day the other lady in the office and I hardly did any work and just sat and listened to the radio. It wasn't until several weeks later that I finally saw footage of planes crashing into the towers.

    When I got home from work that day, my neighbor had put a note on my door to say that I had his support. I don't remember the exact words, but he was basically saying he didn't blame me personally for the attacks, and that if anyone gave me trouble he would protect me. It was very nice of him, and I appreciated it. I never told him though. I was having a difficult time with myself. When I woke in the morning, my first reaction was anger, and I wanted to know WHO could have done something like this. When I found out it was Muslims, I was horrified and confused. One of my close and trusted Muslim friends basically felt like this:

    part of me actually had a smug satisfaction and was thinking "well they had it coming".


    and told me as much, and even more, that the day was a great victory for Muslims, that Americans should get over it because there are people in countries who live in such situations on a daily basis, that this is every day life for them, and what makes us so special. This made my cognitive dissonance almost unbearable, and apparently it was easier for my faith to prevail. I had to disregard much, and cling to the idea that the perpetrators were not real Muslims. I had to push aside my many varying emotions until they were buried and gone. I will always remember that morning, waking into a state of shock and anger, but I don't feel those emotions any more. The only thing I feel now about 9/11 is shame and regret.

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #106 - September 12, 2011, 07:55 PM

    Whilst I still maintain civilian casualities were not their mainaim.

    -Statue of Liberty is neither an economic, political or military symbol)
    -I would be very surprised if nuclear reactors had anti-aircraft protection


    I feel that perhaps I could have tempered my language and still get my point across, so here goes.

    Did America deserve (had it coming to them)it? No

    Did the people who died deserve(had it coming to them) it? Absolutely NOT.

    Was something like this fairly inevitable, give the wide scope of US military and economic activities overseas? I am afraid so.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #107 - September 12, 2011, 07:59 PM

    Was something like this fairly inevitable, give the wide scope of US military and economic activities overseas? I am afraid so.


    Ok, lets just say it was inevitable.

    Considering the suffering Americans have inflicted and/or bankrolled against the Vietnamese, Cambodians, Cubans, Nicaraguans, Chileans, Serbs etc.. why haven't any of these peoples commited an act like 9/11?

    Muslims are after all not the only victims of US foreign policy, and not even the most prominent victims. If anyone should be "inevitably" flying planes into the WTC, it would be the Vietnamese or native Americans or Japanese.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #108 - September 12, 2011, 08:10 PM

    -Statue of Liberty is neither an economic, political or military symbol)


    Its the pre-eminent symbol of American civilisation.

    But they wouldn't have killed 3000 people doing it - hence it wasn't targetted.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #109 - September 12, 2011, 08:14 PM

    Ok, lets just say it was inevitable.

    Considering the suffering Americans have inflicted and/or bankrolled against the Vietnamese, Cambodians, Cubans, Nicaraguans, Chileans, Serbs etc.. why haven't any of these peoples commited an act like 9/11?

    Muslims are after all not the only victims of US foreign policy, and not even the most prominent victims. If anyone should be "inevitably" flying planes into the WTC, it would be the Vietnamese or native Americans or Japanese.


    And so the 'inevitability' of it occuring devolves into the 'inevitability' of the ideology that fired it.

    Of course we decry it, but determinism is determinism, who can argue with that?

    What is inevitable is inevitable.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #110 - September 12, 2011, 08:32 PM

    The numbers of dead don't change the fact that terrorist attacks were a frequent occurence in a small plot of land with a small population.  Look at the numbers of caualties as a proportion of the population, and you get a more accurate picture of what the Troubles were like.

    And you can stop asking people to spare you the theatrics.  Its not theatrics for people to mourn their losses, its normal human behaviour.  That Pakistan apparently doesn't engage in it, and even resents other countries engaging in it, doesn't say anything good about Pakistan. 

    Look, you're misunderstanding me, or may be I'm not communicating myself clearly.

    Of course  I don't have anything against people mourning their families or people who've died.

    The only thing I have an issue with, is when americans/american politicians act as if 9/11 was the only act of terrorism ever occurred, or if their country has suffered the most from terrorism, or if they're somehow the survivors of some huge tragedy the likes of which has never been seen.


    That's what I was referring to as theatrics, when they act as if 9/11 is the worst terrorist attack ever and other terrorist attacks don't compare to it.

    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #111 - September 12, 2011, 10:10 PM

    It just makes me kinda mad to see the theatrics, and the big deal they make out of just 1 terrorist attack, when largely as a result of their own policies Pakistan is attacked so often that people think of it as a routine occurance.

    Its like seeing a fat rich kid moaning about being stung by a bee. It makes you think, what the fuck are you making the fuss about?



    yet another misconception.  FIRST OF ALL, NOT ALL Americans are rich.  As a matter of
    fact, 1 out of 6 Americans go hungry every day. 

    Secondly, Americans were not the ONLY people killed in that tragedy.  So why is it wrong
    for countries who lost citizens other than the USA, for them to grieve their losses, as well?

    Let us remember our dead, the families who still suffer from their losses, and move on.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #112 - September 12, 2011, 10:50 PM

    There was a tactical aim to the ethnic cleansing, as perverse and depraved as it is to imagine it in those terms.

    It was to change the demographics by (a) physical extermination of individuals of the ethnic group which would also lead to (b) mass exodus caused by fear leading to said territory and area thus 'belonging' to the ethnicity of those who carried out the mass killing.

    With the effect of also making whichever members of the minority remained bow their heads for fear of it happening again - subservience and a 'lesson' was taught to them.



    @ Q & JC

    Al-Qaeda wanted a reaction from the US (they got it too) had they not killed thousands I don't think the US would have responded in such a way, so yes to cause significant loss of life was an objective but had that be there only or main objective they would have used different tactics, like simultaneous attacks by gunmen on schools, shopping centres, stadiums etc. These targets were chosen for a specific reason, they were symbolic and they had the religious justifications for such attack, the WTC was an economic target, you could say the Meccan caravans of today parrot


    True and true but point is that painting Al-Qaeda as unthinking, bloodthirsty murderers and ignoring the fact that this is a war and Al-Qaeda treated it as such and had strategic purposes for their attacks is fucking ignorant, but when most people talk about the 9/11 attacks it's the former rather than the latter, all emotion and little, if any, strategic analysis.

    fuck you
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #113 - September 12, 2011, 10:53 PM

    I don't think anyone here thinks the attacks were random.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #114 - September 12, 2011, 10:56 PM

    Fixed

    fuck you
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #115 - September 12, 2011, 10:58 PM

    You don't think al-qaeda were bloodthirsty murderers?  Huh?

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #116 - September 12, 2011, 10:58 PM

    Huh?

    fuck you
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #117 - September 12, 2011, 11:00 PM

    Ok, lets just say it was inevitable.

    Considering the suffering Americans have inflicted and/or bankrolled against the Vietnamese, Cambodians, Cubans, Nicaraguans, Chileans, Serbs etc.. why haven't any of these peoples commited an act like 9/11?

    Muslims are after all not the only victims of US foreign policy, and not even the most prominent victims. If anyone should be "inevitably" flying planes into the WTC, it would be the Vietnamese or native Americans or Japanese.


    Another good question JC - I suppose it is because muslims are 'current' victims. Globalisation has enabled an attack of this nature to take place.

    Billy has a point in it being ideological but they  are not attacking the USA in order to force them to convert to Islam or because they don't believe in Islam or that they don't like freedom or that they are envious. OBL had stated his motives.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #118 - September 12, 2011, 11:47 PM

    Does the passage of time make the collective group less responsible for their ancestors or government's crime? By stating that you're still keeping to the idea that innocents are somehow linked and responsible for such things to begin with. I'm saying NO, we should never project the deeds of leaders and ancestors on innocent non-combatants ever. Doesn't matter if it was 5 years ago or 500 years ago.



    Time does matter if that state/govt. has stopped committing those crimes and hasn't committed them for decades as opposed to a state continuing to do such things over & over again, saying "oh look they killed our civilians we're sad" whilst at the same time bombarding the shit out of others. I don't think innocent civilians are responsible for what their govt. does but I can understand why people would see it in such a way.

    If we're going to hold Americans somehow responsible for the disconnected foreign policies of it's political and military class, then are we willing to say the same for everyone? After all the Muslim rulers of the Balkansdid oppress and slaughter countless Christians in their 500+ years of domination, the resentment of lands lost and shattered pride that Serbs feel is very real.. so it's not very hard for them to slaughter thousands of Muslims and feel justified in doing so. Hindu extremists have used the same line of logic when engaging in pogroms against Muslims, after all it's payback for the near 1000 years of Muslim invasions and slaughters of Hindus, isn't it?



    See above.

    All I'm saying is just think twice before you try to project collective guilt onto non-combatants. No one is clean.


    I do. And yes no-one is clean and the US shouldn't be singled out individually, the likes of Pakistan, Russia, Iran, Israel, India and others are all guilty of targeting civilians and human rights abuses they then cry terrorism when they're attacked in a similar fashion.  All I'm saying is that yes targeting civilians is wrong and it should be condemned but that will not solve the issue. You need to look beyond that and see if those people committing such acts have general grievances or not.

    @ shilakijawani

    I cba to read all your BS, I just want to say that whatever situation Pakistan finds itself in today is of its own fucking doing. Yes the having the US next door doesn't help but had Pakistan been a bit more shall we say independent in its foreign policy it wouldn't be in the crap it is today. But as always the army kills its own people (nothing new) at the behest of the Americans (and of course the almighty dollar, our generals & politicians love those don't they?) just like it killed its own people in Bangladesh. The lives of Pakistanis in Punjab aren't worth any more than the lives of Pakistanis in Balochistan or the tribal regions.
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #119 - September 12, 2011, 11:56 PM

    Muslims are after all not the only victims of US foreign policy, and not even the most prominent victims. If anyone should be "inevitably" flying planes into the WTC, it would be the Vietnamese or native Americans or Japanese.


    True but I think they're the only ones who are told they get 72 virgins when they become martyrs  Tongue I'd say today they're the most prominent victims.
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