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 Topic: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works

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  • Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     OP - September 19, 2011, 12:35 AM
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/09/110914-optimism-narcissism-overconfidence-hubris-evolution-science-nature/?source=link_fb20110917news-evolutionofnarcissism
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #1 - September 19, 2011, 12:37 AM
    That's not what narcissism means.
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #2 - September 19, 2011, 12:41 AM
    Elaborate?
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #3 - September 19, 2011, 12:51 AM
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    In everyday speech, "narcissism" often means inflated self-importance, egotism, vanity, conceit, or simple selfishness. Applied to a social group, it is sometimes used to denote elitism or an indifference to the plight of others. In psychology, the term is used to describe both normal self-love and unhealthy self-absorption due to a disturbance in the sense of self.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #4 - September 19, 2011, 12:54 AM
    I don't even see the connection between overconfidence and selfishness.

    Besides, that article is another case of a study concluding the obvious.
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #5 - September 19, 2011, 12:59 AM
    Narcissism can mean a number of different things, overconfidence is one characteristic of it.

    The study is less about narcissism but more about overconfidence.
    n = 0 : n + [1,1,1...]
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #6 - September 19, 2011, 01:05 AM
     Cheesy Cheesy That's what over confidence does--you end up giving wrong titles to your articles!
    But seriously can't over confidence indicate that you think too highly of yourself?


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #7 - September 19, 2011, 01:07 AM
    "Thinking too highly of yourself" is vague and doesn't necessarily make you a narcissist. Narcissism is about loving onself so much that it makes one lack empathy. If a guy is confident he's going to win a fight even if the odds are against him, that doesn't make him a narcissist.
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #8 - September 19, 2011, 01:11 AM
    Yeah, I'm not sure how overconfidence and narcissism are interchangeable.  Huh?

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #9 - September 19, 2011, 01:15 AM
    Well it's National Geographic that is at fault here. They tend to do this kind of thing a lot. They try to over-simplify concepts for the "masses" who they assume are stupid... they are archeology and anthropology's equivalent of pop-psychology.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #10 - September 19, 2011, 01:18 AM
    I've always wondered is narcissism an external projection to shield a person's inner insecurities of themselves?
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #11 - September 19, 2011, 01:20 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 19, 2011, 01:07 AM
    "Thinking too highly of yourself" is vague and doesn't necessarily make you a narcissist. Narcissism is about loving onself so much that it makes one lack empathy. If a guy is confident he's going to win a fight even if the odds are against him, that doesn't make him a narcissist.


    Narcissism has several meanings, I think you're referring to narcissitic personality disorder?
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #12 - September 19, 2011, 07:06 AM
    Which definition of narcissism means overconfidence?
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #13 - September 19, 2011, 12:33 PM
    None, I do agree overconfidence is just one trait of a narcissist. The article really does fuck this one up by conflating the two terms. I understood your point, I'm just pointing out there are healthy forms of narcissism or 'self-love' which are crucial to childhood development. People often view narcissism as a bad thing, but there are different degrees of it which are important to our emotional development.
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #14 - September 21, 2011, 10:55 PM
     yes In a way narcissim is over confidence and self love gone wild.
    You become over confident about people being able to take your obnoxious shit,which you think you are entitled to inflict upon them[extreme lack of empathy which manifests as NPD].
    So the bottom line is, as with everything else in life:
    MODERATION IS THE KEYA fact that is very easily overlooked in this age where people like everything oversized and spend a fortune on increasing their size of their penises,boobs,etc.expecting eternal pleasure!  Cheesy


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #15 - September 21, 2011, 10:59 PM
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    quoteA fact that is very easily overlooked in this age where people like everything oversized and spend a fortune on increasing their size of their penises,boobs,etc.expecting eternal pleasure


    In western society they go large lol but in japanese society they have a habit of under-sizing objects, smallest trees for Gawds sake. Something to do with the penis perhaps.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #16 - September 21, 2011, 11:04 PM
     Cheesy whatever it doesn't negate what i mentioned! It's the other extreme!
    Colors of insanity?


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #17 - September 21, 2011, 11:22 PM
    Narcissism - everyone might have latent narcisstic tendencies but there are some out and out narcisstic loonies out there. Perhaps it is an evolutionary, innate risk-calculated startegy to fulfil a goal. Mostly a hole.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #18 - September 21, 2011, 11:28 PM
    Sigh* if idiots could fly this, thread would be airport. You lot really have some serious reading comprehension problems.
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  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #19 - September 21, 2011, 11:30 PM
    LOLing at the fact that the majority of responses were contributing to an argument about semantics rather than the article content.
    "I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want."
    Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Evolution of Narcissism: Why we are overconfident and Why It works
     Reply #20 - September 21, 2011, 11:45 PM
    having now read the article, i still think narcissism is an evolutionary trait that was primarily there because the need to spread ones seed was one of the most important functions of our ancestors, and to our sperm the chances of them replicating themselves was worth the risk.

    That one chance at glory was worth all the trouble narcissism could lead you to.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
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