Sorry. it is 0444 for me and I just woke up. Don't recall going to sleep. Oh well, that's how my night seizures are.
This question is a lawyers play for sympathy, not meant for those who work in corrections.
See my face I'm smiling softly as if speaking to a child, "Don't you know darling every one in this prison is innocent. Just ask them" (LOL)
This is not even a good question. It is exactly what I'm talking about. Don't you realize it is asked in the abstract and unrealistic. 1000 faceless, nameless, without a personal history so called "hardened criminals" and these 1
or 2 or 10 innocent people.
I'm not talking about "hardened criminals", it goes well beyond that. To a place difficult to know if you have not seen it. I'm a nurse and have been for 24 years by education and experience human behavior is something I know about.
Allat what is your experience? What do you know from life about the subject? If it is your opinion and you have never meet any one who murders children for entertainment, that fine. I just want to know from where you speak. It will help me understand you point better.
Why don't you answer first what message is being sent by letting some one live who continues without remorse to endanger the lives and health of others.
1. As to child murderers-- not sure what country you work in, but in the US such convicts don't last long in gen pop-- the other inmates typically rape, torture and kill such people.
2. As to other hardened criminals-- why not keep them in seg where they can't hurt anyone else, are serving a punishment, and the punishment can be reversed if they are later found to have been wrongly convicted?
3. You mention "what message" it send not to kill such people-- well, every bit of evidence seems to show that the death penalty, at least in developed countries that carry it out in a relatively fair judicial manner, does NOT serve as a deterrent. Armed self-defense tends to, but not judicial executions.
4. In my country there are two kinds of people who become medical staff at prisons-- (a) do-gooders and (b) those who can't find work elsewhere cause correctional institutions will take anyone with medical training. You don't appear to be (a).
the primary reason that killing someone only costs more because most western countries have crappy appeals systems. So fix the appeals system if you want it cheaper! Don't get rid of the punishment!
So you are advocating eliminating strengthened due process (which is the point of death penalty appeals) for those sentenced to death? Kind of conflicts with the point you make later to fix the system to where innocent people are not killed.
For one, giving the death penalty to an innocent person is a misapplication or mistake of justice, it is not an injustice.
You are making a distinction without a difference. A misapplication/mistake of justice is effectively injustice.
If this is really how you think, then you should also justify getting rid of ALL punishments because of the mistakes we make. One could retort "Well its worse if we accidentally kill someone than keeping them in jail". Nonsense. This could be the case and it couldn't. Keeping a man in jail for several years can have absolutely the same effect on the family outside as it can killing him. The family will eventually move on and learn how to survive on their own in both cases...the only difference is that eventually the guy might get out.
Okay, going to prison for several years for something I didn't do would suck, it's true, but it would suck less than getting killed, especially if my conviction were eventually reversed and the laws were reformed to allow those wrongly convicted to obtain large monetary settlements for their wrongful conviction. Ten years in a maximum security prison for something I didn't do would indeed wreck my life and severely fuck up the lives of my loved ones, but give me a million dollar check when I step out and I can rebuild-- again, beats the fuck out of getting clipped and never having a chance to set shit right.
The second difference is that in the case of accidentally killing the man over accidentally putting them in jail: the dead guy doesnt have to suffer forever in a prison cell!!!!!!!
That's an argument for legalized suicide for convicted criminals, not an argument for the death penalty. The death penalty is not based on the idea of providing a more humane punishment for the criminal than life imprisonment. Here you commit the same error you accuse others of committing above.
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