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  • evolution vs creation
     OP - September 30, 2011, 07:56 PM
    Someone told me that  there are many scientists who are against evolution ...... now I don't have any knowledge of evolution or anti evolution ...... is it true ? ...or those who opposed evolution , do it without any evidence ? ....
    Disbelief doesn't justify getting tortured in eternal hell
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #1 - September 30, 2011, 08:39 PM
    Many as in "more than twenty" or many as in "more than 20%"?

    Sure there are some, but frankly it is irrelevant.  The evidence proves evolution, that's a fact.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #2 - September 30, 2011, 08:49 PM
    Don't mind scientists. Look around you and think for yourself  Wink
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #3 - September 30, 2011, 08:53 PM
    Quote from: kartoos on September 30, 2011, 07:56 PM
    Someone told me that  there are many scientists who are against evolution ...... now I don't have any knowledge of evolution or anti evolution ...... is it true ? ...or those who opposed evolution , do it without any evidence ? ....


    Even as a Muslim I simply couldn't reject evolution - the evidence is just too overwhelming - the ones who denied it seemed like crackpots.

    The best I could muster was that - yes, but Allah created Adam and Eve as distinct from other animals. But that never convinced me.

    What do you think about evolution, kartoos?
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #4 - September 30, 2011, 08:58 PM
    Hassan,
    i am 0/0 in such stuff...i am just a simple computer programmer... till I was a muslim , I used to laugh ,"Apes becoming humans ,what a joke" .....but when I left Islam and start looking about origin of life etc....I looked at the videos of Richard Dawkins and others....and watched other videos ...and i myself observed many similarities between different animals and humans , my mind said "Hey kartoos , still you deny evolution ? " ...I think yep its true and we are different but not very very different or unique from apes etc......
    Disbelief doesn't justify getting tortured in eternal hell
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #5 - September 30, 2011, 09:07 PM
    Quote from: kartoos on September 30, 2011, 08:58 PM
    Hassan,
    i am 0/0 in such stuff...i am just a simple computer programmer... till I was a muslim , I used to laugh ,"Apes becoming humans ,what a joke" .....but when I left Islam and start looking about origin of life etc....I looked at the videos of Richard Dawkins and others....and watched other videos ...and i myself observed many similarities between different animals and humans , my mind said "Hey kartoos , still you deny evolution ? " ...I think yep its true and we are different but not very very different or unique from apes etc......


    If Allah created Adam and Eve in an instance of creation - separate beings - perfectly planned. Then he sure made it look like our bodies looked like it was part of a very long chain of cumlative evolution - even adding the odd vestigial organ and gene to throw us.
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #6 - September 30, 2011, 09:09 PM
    Hassan,
    dear , sorry I didn't get what you said
    Disbelief doesn't justify getting tortured in eternal hell
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #7 - September 30, 2011, 09:17 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on September 30, 2011, 08:39 PM
    The evidence proves evolution, that's a fact.

    Abood cringes
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #8 - September 30, 2011, 09:22 PM
    Quote from: kartoos on September 30, 2011, 09:09 PM
    Hassan,
    dear , sorry I didn't get what you said


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigiality

  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #9 - September 30, 2011, 09:24 PM
    ah..thnx Smiley ...got it now
    Disbelief doesn't justify getting tortured in eternal hell
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #10 - September 30, 2011, 09:30 PM
    Quote from: Abood on September 30, 2011, 09:17 PM
    Abood cringes

    Why?
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #11 - September 30, 2011, 09:33 PM
    There's no such thing as "proof" and "fact" in the empirical sciences.
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #12 - September 30, 2011, 10:11 PM
    Quote from: Abood on September 30, 2011, 09:33 PM
    There's no such thing as "proof" and "fact" in the empirical sciences.


    True, but that doesn’t stop us knowing things based on experience and not prescience.

    Put it this way: there’s no empirical ‘evidence’ that walking around in the rain will make you wet. But if you keep going out in the rain without an umbrella/hood/etc and expect not to get wet because ‘There's no such thing as "proof" and "fact" in the empirical sciences’ then you’re a ruddy idiot.
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #13 - September 30, 2011, 10:16 PM
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_fact#Fact_in_science

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #14 - September 30, 2011, 10:22 PM
     

    By the way, a question for theists: if god made us from dust, why is there still dust?
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #15 - September 30, 2011, 10:23 PM
    Spare parts. yes
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #16 - September 30, 2011, 10:24 PM
    Allah: I'm going to create stuff.

    Angels: Great! Are you going to say "Kun fa yakun" (Be and it is)?

    Allah: Nah, I'm going to do it over 13 billion years.

    Angels: Cool!

    Allah: Then I'm going to create humans.

    Angels: Cool and are you going to do that as part of this very long process?

    God: No, I will create two humans - Adam and Eve - from clay/mud/dust - as completely separate beings. But I'll make it look like they fit right into this long evolutionary process. It'll confuse the shit out of them when they try to compare my books and scientific facts.

    Angels: Your so cool, Allah!  Afro
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #17 - September 30, 2011, 10:26 PM
    Quote from: Kodanshi on September 30, 2011, 10:22 PM
     

    By the way, a question for theists: if god made us from dust, why is there still dust?


    Those are the bits he left out of you. (I got all my parts  Tongue)
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #18 - September 30, 2011, 10:28 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on September 30, 2011, 10:26 PM
    (I got all my parts  Tongue)

    Does that include the full tail?

    And the foreskin that allah also wanted…removed? How does that work?
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #19 - September 30, 2011, 10:31 PM
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #20 - September 30, 2011, 10:32 PM
    Quote from: harakaat on September 30, 2011, 10:31 PM
    (Clicky for piccy!)


     Cheesy
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #21 - October 01, 2011, 12:01 AM

    Quote from: kartoos on September 30, 2011, 08:58 PM

    i am 0/0 in such stuff...i am just a simple computer programmer...




    Do you know anything about evolutionary computing?
    the logic of evolution is employed in computer science because it works. It makes perfect sense.

    This is something I did:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS_LCsaFRDs

    Simulations of evolution show how apparent design and complexity can emerge from a few simple rules, just as in nature:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCXzcPNsqGA&feature=related

  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #22 - October 01, 2011, 12:47 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on September 30, 2011, 10:24 PM
    God: No, I will create two humans - Adam and Eve - from clay/mud/dust - as completely separate beings. But I'll make it look like they fit right into this long evolutionary process. It'll confuse the shit out of them when they try to compare my books and scientific facts.

    Angels: Your so cool, Allah!  Afro



     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    My version
    Yes a deity who lives in the sky at the outer reaches of the visible universe, who pops things into existance by magic or fashioning them out of clay or blood clots and blowing on it.   

    "All Allah needs to say is "Be", and it becomes. So it was that God created the world and the heavens. He made all the creatures, which walk, swim. Crawl and fly on the face of the earth. He made the angels, and the sun, moon and the stars to dwell in the universe. And consider, as the Qur'an says, how God poured down the rain in torrents, and broke up the soil to bring forth the corm, the grapes and other vegetation; the olive and the palm, the fruit trees and the grass.

    Then it was that God ordered the angels to go to the earth, and to bring seven handfuls of soil, all of different colours, from which he could model man. God took the seven kinds of earth and moulded them into a model of a man. He breathed life and power into it, and it immediately sprang to life. And this first man was called Adam. God took Adam to live in Paradise. In Paradise, God created Eve, the first woman, from out of Adam's side. God taught Adam the names of all the creatures, and then commanded the angel to bow down before Adam. But Iblis, one amongst the angels, refused to do this, and thus began to disobey God's will."
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #23 - October 01, 2011, 05:36 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on September 30, 2011, 10:24 PM
    Allah: I'm going to create stuff.

    Angels: Great! Are you going to say "Kun fa yakun" (Be and it is)?

    Allah: Nah, I'm going to do it over 13 billion years.

    Angels: Cool!

    Allah: Then I'm going to create humans.

    Angels: Cool and are you going to do that as part of this very long process?

    God: No, I will create two humans - Adam and Eve - from clay/mud/dust - as completely separate beings. But I'll make it look like they fit right into this long evolutionary process. It'll confuse the shit out of them when they try to compare my books and scientific facts.

    Angels: Your so cool, Allah!  Afro


    hahahaahahahaha.... good one Hassan ......

    when i was a muslim , a though kept hitting my mind that why we share similarities with so many beings...if earth was created to test human beings ...why only we aren't here ?  ....why plant have lives too ? ... why allah didn't just send us without any other living beings on this earth................................ but allah is so cool and he knows the best
    Disbelief doesn't justify getting tortured in eternal hell
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #24 - October 01, 2011, 07:02 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 30, 2011, 09:33 PM
    There's no such thing as "proof" and "fact" in the empirical sciences.


    Oh I'm sorry, do I need to speak like a scientist every time I want to communicate, or am I permitted to also speak like a human?

    And you are wrong, there are facts.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #25 - October 01, 2011, 07:05 AM
    Rat man you are up and early?

    There is no point in arguing with Failosophers! They tried it for 2000 years and achieved big fat nothing!





    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #26 - October 01, 2011, 07:17 AM
    Quote from: dr_sloth on October 01, 2011, 12:01 AM
    Do you know anything about evolutionary computing?
    the logic of evolution is employed in computer science because it works. It makes perfect sense.
    This is something I did:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS_LCsaFRDs


    Did you ever see my computer simulation of balloons?

    Quote from: Gladfly on October 01, 2011, 07:05 AM
    Rat man you are up and early?

    I have young children, this is late :-)


    Quote from: Gladfly on October 01, 2011, 07:05 AM
    There is no point in arguing with Failosophers! They tried it for 2000 years and achieved big fat nothing!


    To which failosopher are you referring?
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #27 - October 01, 2011, 07:23 AM
    Quote from: dr_sloth on October 01, 2011, 12:01 AM


    Do you know anything about evolutionary computing?
    the logic of evolution is employed in computer science because it works. It makes perfect sense.

    This is something I did:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS_LCsaFRDs

    Simulations of evolution show how apparent design and complexity can emerge from a few simple rules, just as in nature:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCXzcPNsqGA&feature=related



     Afro

    Love it! Yes!

    All you need is simple rules!


    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #28 - October 01, 2011, 03:21 PM
    Quote from: Gladfly on October 01, 2011, 07:05 AM
    There is no point in arguing with Failosophers! They tried it for 2000 years and achieved big fat nothing!


    Really? So what stops you raping, killing people who offend you, stealing things you want?
  • Re: evolution vs creation
     Reply #29 - October 01, 2011, 03:50 PM
    Quote from: Kodanshi on October 01, 2011, 03:21 PM
    Really? So what stops you raping, killing people who offend you, stealing things you want?


    Lynch mobs Smiley
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
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