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 Topic: Gender is a social construct argh!

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  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #30 - October 03, 2011, 02:50 AM
    Quote from: Abood on October 03, 2011, 02:32 AM
    Q just doesn't want the thought of sucking a dick entering his head while going down on a clit.

     dance


    On the contrary, I have no problem having my dick sucked while I go down on a clit. Tongue
    fuck you
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #31 - October 03, 2011, 02:51 AM
    Grin
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #32 - October 03, 2011, 03:59 AM
    Quote from: Abood on October 02, 2011, 01:35 PM
    heteronormative


     Cheesy
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #33 - October 03, 2011, 04:00 AM
     Huh?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #34 - October 03, 2011, 04:02 AM
    I can only assume he's laughing at it cause it sounds like an academic PC buzzword, and I agree.
    fuck you
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #35 - October 03, 2011, 04:04 AM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on October 03, 2011, 01:38 AM
    1. As harakaat says, the video proves nothing.

    2. I don't think it's an either/or proposition. I think people's definitions of gender are affected BOTH by biology and society.

    3. What does it matter, really? I'm not gonna lie, I find most (not all) transgendered/transsexual/gender-benders to be, well, weird and creepy. Sorry, but that's a moral failing on my part I guess. But the main point should be that social rights and privileges should not be denied or limited to someone solely on the basis of their gender identity. Who gives a fuck as to whether it's nature or nurture when it comes to a public policy or moral standpoint? Feel the same way about that argument regarding sexual orientation-- I always thought the argument that gays should not be discriminated against cause they're born that way to be utterly retarded and weak-- cause it's not like the orientation itself is something that should need to be morally defended on a "but they can't help it"  basis. What is so wrong about a guy sticking his dick in another guy's ass that it needs to be explained away as not being a choice?


    ^This

    Gender IS a social construct.. but it is a social construct rooted in nature.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #36 - October 03, 2011, 04:05 AM
    He said rooted.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #37 - October 03, 2011, 04:05 AM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on October 03, 2011, 04:02 AM
    I can only assume he's laughing at it cause it sounds like an academic PC buzzword, and I agree.


    Yup.
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #38 - October 03, 2011, 06:05 AM
    This stuff is very interesting. I am so ignorant of all of this. Please speak freely and discuss your true opinions on these matters, unhindered by political correctness or the opposite impulse.

    Thank you.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #39 - October 03, 2011, 06:07 AM
    Are biological differences between males and females socially constructed?

    Are the terms "male" and "female" any longer appropriate?
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #40 - October 03, 2011, 06:38 AM
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     Reply #41 - October 03, 2011, 06:40 AM




  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #42 - October 03, 2011, 02:41 PM
    Let me explain this in a different way. Why are people transgendered? Why does gender reassignment exist? Why do homosexuals present gender atypical behaviour?
     
    If gender is socialised, then by implication, does society make people gay or transgendered?
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #43 - October 03, 2011, 02:42 PM
    Yes. I actually have a friend who came out very recently and admitted to me that society probably had a part in her becoming transsexual.

    Gay people also to a large degree fall into social roles. But there are many very masculine gay guys who would beat the shit out of straight guys. They're called bears.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_%28gay_culture%29
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #44 - October 03, 2011, 02:48 PM
    so religious people are right when they say that 'gays can be cured'?
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #45 - October 03, 2011, 02:49 PM
    Gender is a social construct because anyone can wear lipstick or boxers, anyone can give a blowjob or go muff diving. Heterosexuality and homosexuality were labels invented only in the 19th century. Before then, and even now, these are not identities that define people but acts that people do. That's why there's so much confusion over who is hetero and who is homosexual. Because nobody is either - it's like saying all people who eat spinach are spinachists and all people who eat icecream are icecreamists. Before, these were acts, now they are identities. Many people may like both spinach and ice cream at different times with different people, but they're forced to identify as one or the other. And if the spinachists are given more rights and power in a society then even those who may like ice cream now and then may be tempted to identify as spinachists to get some of that social power, even if it means denying their own taste for ice cream or the rights of those who prefer ice cream or are allergic to spinach.

    That's what makes it socially constructed.

    As for biological differences being the root cause of social constructs, yes and no. Some women don't menstruate or can't have kids; are they not women? Some men shoot blanks or can't get erections; are they not men?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #46 - October 03, 2011, 03:00 PM
    food for thought re homosexuality/heterosexuality

    Quote
    As for biological differences being the root cause of social constructs, yes and no. Some women don't menstruate or can't have kids; are they not women? Some men shoot blanks or can't get erections; are they not men?


    I'd say a lot more yes than no.
     


    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #47 - October 03, 2011, 03:03 PM
    Allat's been studying Judith Butler. aloofandbored0
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #48 - October 03, 2011, 03:06 PM
    Quote from: Abood on October 03, 2011, 03:03 PM
    Allat's been studying Judith Butler. aloofandbored0


    Judith Butler 001_wub

    And Michel Foucault  yes
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #49 - October 03, 2011, 03:08 PM
    Abood - so are religious people right when they say 'gays can be cured'?

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #50 - October 03, 2011, 03:09 PM
    I haven't studied Foucault regarding sexuality, but Butler is definitely one of my favourite gender theorists. yes
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #51 - October 03, 2011, 03:09 PM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on October 03, 2011, 03:08 PM
    Abood - so are religious people right when they say 'gays can be cured'?

    I have no idea how your deduction works.
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #52 - October 03, 2011, 03:14 PM
    The problem to me seems to be this overwhelming desire to divide human beings into two types simply based on gender. How are you ever going to apply that gross dynamic to every individual on the planet with a human body?

    But imo most progress is made in society when you have defined roles, rather than the mish-mash od some social constructionist to promote an androgynous society in which men and women would learn to think and act in virtually identical ways.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #53 - October 03, 2011, 03:16 PM
    You talk about chaotic "mish-mash" and "virtual identical ways" in the same sentence... how exactly does that work?
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #54 - October 03, 2011, 03:20 PM
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    Most gay people I have met, usually say they were born that way. But if you say it is due to society, then there might be some hope for them.


    just re-read my own sentence, I can see where one might think I am wanting to cure them lol. But seriously each to their own.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #55 - October 03, 2011, 03:22 PM
    Why does it matter to you whether gay people were "born this way" or not? Why do you feel compelled to "cure" them?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #56 - October 03, 2011, 03:25 PM
    Quote
    You talk about chaotic "mish-mash" and "virtual identical ways" in the same sentence... how exactly does that work?


    if gender is a social construct then you can engineer/promote an androgynous society in which men and women would learn to think and act in virtually identical ways. But imo society works much better with defined roles (on the whole).
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #57 - October 03, 2011, 03:25 PM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on October 03, 2011, 03:14 PM
    But imo most progress is made in society when you have defined roles, rather than the mish-mash od some social constructionist to promote an androgynous society in which men and women would learn to think and act in virtually identical ways.


    Evidence?
    fuck you
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #58 - October 03, 2011, 03:28 PM
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    Why do you feel compelled to "cure" them?


    Lol, before i get tarred with the homophobic brush as well, i don't want to cure them.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #59 - October 03, 2011, 03:31 PM
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    Evidence?


    Well if am not too lazy in the next few days, I will provide some. But essentially imo families are the best units for human civilisation and they have defined roles for mothers and fathers and ON THE WHOLE, it is better for social constucts to maintain family values than not to. IMO
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
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