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 Topic: Gender is a social construct argh!

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  • Gender is a social construct argh!
     OP - October 02, 2011, 01:02 PM


    We can become so 'creative' with our 'theories' to support our pet ideologies.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw24j0Litlc&feature=related


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #1 - October 02, 2011, 01:04 PM
    Load of cods wallop!
    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #2 - October 02, 2011, 01:30 PM
    As tragic as this is, one single case doesn't prove that gender is not a social construct.
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #3 - October 02, 2011, 01:35 PM
    I'll go further and say this isn't even an argument that gender is not a social construct. But then again, that's just hypocrucifier spewing his usual heteronormative bullshit.
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #4 - October 02, 2011, 01:37 PM
    Quote from: Abood on October 02, 2011, 01:35 PM
    just hypocrucifier spewing his usual heteronormative bullshit.

    ^This.

    /thread
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #5 - October 02, 2011, 02:13 PM
    Quote from: Abood on October 02, 2011, 01:35 PM
    I'll go further and say this isn't even an argument that gender is not a social construct. But then again, that's just hypocrucifier spewing his usual heteronormative bullshit.


    When a  general claim is made that gender is a social construct, a single instance[not that there won't be others] where this is not true is sufficient to disprove it.
    Nurture over nature? Despite being brought up as a girl he couldn't become one.If the claim were true then this should have been a cakewalk.
    Something more than your sex organs determines your gender.


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #6 - October 02, 2011, 02:39 PM
     The best part is that this reaffirms that being gay,transgender etc. is NATURAL and people are angry about it!
    In fact this doesn't make them outcasts but shows that they are legitimate members of the human race.
    But to say that all these genders are 'identical' is stretching things a bit too far IMO.

    ETA: Thank you harakat for sticking to the subject at hand!


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #7 - October 02, 2011, 03:24 PM
    Women have oestrogen, men have more testosterone Tongue

    Hormones play a part in behaviour of the person, affects your mood, character...so 'gender' is not just a social construct.... :S
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #8 - October 02, 2011, 03:50 PM
     Cheesy Some people don't like this fact! Besides there could be some other factors unknown as yet which play a role in the differentiation of genders. I find it very interesting.
    You may fool around with the 'nurture' part of human life but you can't fuck with the 'nature' part .
     


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #9 - October 02, 2011, 09:27 PM
    Nature is a social construct.
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #10 - October 02, 2011, 10:42 PM
    There is a documentary in which the researchers thought - who can we use as guinea-pigs for people who have had no sexist socialisation? So they went to a load of monkeys. They went with rag dolls and cars and trains with wheels. The most interesting thing was when they went for a coffee and left the bag of toys. One of the monkeys came and threw all the toys out of the bag. The others came down and took the toys. The female monkeys took the dolls and held them like babies and the male monkeys were on the ground pushing the cars and trains.
     
    We may not like it - but male and female brains are different and awash with different hormones that change our behaviour and perceptions.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #11 - October 03, 2011, 01:18 AM
    This thread has been occupied by gender-benders.









  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #12 - October 03, 2011, 01:38 AM
    1. As harakaat says, the video proves nothing.

    2. I don't think it's an either/or proposition. I think people's definitions of gender are affected BOTH by biology and society.

    3. What does it matter, really? I'm not gonna lie, I find most (not all) transgendered/transsexual/gender-benders to be, well, weird and creepy. Sorry, but that's a moral failing on my part I guess. But the main point should be that social rights and privileges should not be denied or limited to someone solely on the basis of their gender identity. Who gives a fuck as to whether it's nature or nurture when it comes to a public policy or moral standpoint? Feel the same way about that argument regarding sexual orientation-- I always thought the argument that gays should not be discriminated against cause they're born that way to be utterly retarded and weak-- cause it's not like the orientation itself is something that should need to be morally defended on a "but they can't help it"  basis. What is so wrong about a guy sticking his dick in another guy's ass that it needs to be explained away as not being a choice?
    fuck you
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #13 - October 03, 2011, 01:43 AM
    What he said (except for the bit about creepy).
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #14 - October 03, 2011, 01:51 AM
    If you've never run across creepy trannies, I suggest hanging out in Greenwich Village sometime. Some of the characters there would challenge the most open-minded most pro-trans people out there not to characterize them as being "creepy". Again, I'm not saying all, I've met some I didn't consider creepy at all, but that's not the majority of the admittedly limited sample I've interacted with or observed. I'm sorry but some drug-addled Vietnamese guy in Daisy Dukes with A-cup hormone therapy titties nipples poking out of his white shirt tied up at his chest which also exposes his fat pot belly as he gesticulates in an overly feminine and sleazy manner while I'm trying to have lunch at a sidewalk cafe creeps me out a little-- so sue me.
    fuck you
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #15 - October 03, 2011, 01:54 AM
    Well sure there are some creepy ones, but there are some seriously creepy straights too. From the ones I've met I wouldn't say the majority are creepy. Maybe I'm just lucky.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #16 - October 03, 2011, 01:57 AM
    Indeed, but I'm just saying out of my admittedly small sample size I've run across a higher proportion of creepy trans folks is all. Again, not particularly proud of saying that, and I'm sure a good deal of it has to do with my own hang ups, just being honest about it is all, and I think at least a few I've come across would be considered "creepy" by people without any hang ups over the matter.
    fuck you
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #17 - October 03, 2011, 02:02 AM
    A little known fact is that sex reassignment procedures in many cases are so good that you really can't tell by the end of it that they're transsexuals. I've met several transfolk who I wouldn't have known they were trans if they hadn't told me. If you can tell someone is trans, they're more likely to be a transvestite, drag queen or someone who hasn't completed the procedure. You might've interacted with non-creepy transsexuals without even knowing it.
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #18 - October 03, 2011, 02:11 AM
    Yeah if I met someone who I wouldn't be able to tell if they didn't tell me, then I might be weirded out a bit when they first told me, but I doubt that would last long. Can't really see myself getting creeped out by someone who acts and looks normal just cause they had a different gender prior to surgery, well, unless they told me after having sex with me, then I think we got a problem.  Cheesy
    fuck you
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #19 - October 03, 2011, 02:22 AM
    A friend of men said it's misogyny to treat women like they were men...to treat women as you treat men and vice versa is definitely not misogyny...anyone agree or disagree?
    "The words that oscillate between nonsense and supreme meaning are the oldest and truest." - C.G. Jung
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #20 - October 03, 2011, 02:23 AM
    Might be, if you hate men. Grin
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #21 - October 03, 2011, 02:24 AM
    Well, I find it hard to suck a woman's dick (transsexuals notwithstanding).
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #22 - October 03, 2011, 02:25 AM
    i dislike all humans...the race will hopefully manage to end itself in a quick and stupid way.

    but you always have treat women differently, they have vaginas and men have penises, both organs do different things...thus we are different
    "The words that oscillate between nonsense and supreme meaning are the oldest and truest." - C.G. Jung
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #23 - October 03, 2011, 02:25 AM
    Well in biological terms, the dick and clit are the same thing.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #24 - October 03, 2011, 02:26 AM
    Quote from: Abood on October 03, 2011, 02:24 AM
    Well, I find it hard to suck a woman's dick (transsexuals notwithstanding).


     Cheesy

    Quote from: osmanthus on October 03, 2011, 02:25 AM
    Well in biological terms, the dick and clit are the same thing.


    Um, no.
    fuck you
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #25 - October 03, 2011, 02:28 AM
    Deliberately loose wording. Deal with it. Tongue

    They develop from the same cells.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #26 - October 03, 2011, 02:30 AM
    So do my arms and legs. My arms are not legs.
    fuck you
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #27 - October 03, 2011, 02:31 AM
    No, by the time your arms and legs start developing you have quite a lot of cells. The arms and legs develop from different cells. Dick and clit come from the same ones.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #28 - October 03, 2011, 02:32 AM
    Q just doesn't want the thought of sucking a dick entering his head while going down on a clit.

     dance
  • Re: Gender is a social construct argh!
     Reply #29 - October 03, 2011, 02:36 AM
    Nature is economical.

    Labia and scrotum also come from the same cells. More thoughts for those who muff dive. Cheesy
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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