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  • Question: Choose one!
  • Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit! - 19 (33.3%)
  • It's a Beautiful World with Beautiful People! - 8 (14%)
  • (Cop-Out) Fuck some of this world - Love the rest! - 30 (52.6%)
  • Total Voters: 56

 Topic: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!

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  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #60 - October 21, 2011, 10:00 AM
    Quote from: z10 on October 21, 2011, 08:48 AM
    But having the ability to choose is the only act that we have in this world. It is the one thing that can give us any meaning.

     hmm.. that is a good verse and it is as good as this verse



    Hmm..

    "Besides Allah You  have No protector and No helper.. "

    That sounds like very meaningful

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

    But then I see Allah in that buffaloes and that baby buffalo sees Allah in those who saved it..  May be Allah is in those fighting  buffaloes...  fighting to save life.. Nature and nature..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #61 - October 21, 2011, 10:20 AM
    Quote from: z10 on October 21, 2011, 08:48 AM
    But having the ability to choose is the only act that we have in this world. It is the one thing that can give us any meaning.

    What if it's a shit choice, like a catch 22 or something? Most things seem to be these days. mysmilie_977
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #62 - October 21, 2011, 11:06 AM
    i. The world is all that is the case.
    ii. Our decision-making autonomy as moral agents is restricted to the subset of things in the world that we can influence.
    iii. Our ability to modify those things that we can influence cannot be relied upon to be consistently applied.
    iv. Piety corrupts all those who adopt it.
    v. Fuck it. Who wants a drink?
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #63 - October 21, 2011, 11:15 AM
    Simultaneously regarding the topic of this thread and your avatar, toor, Franz Kafka once said:

    "One of the first signs of the beginnings of understanding is the wish to die."
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #64 - October 21, 2011, 11:23 AM
    Meh. Few of us are built for ethical alienation.
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #65 - October 21, 2011, 12:01 PM
     Cheesy  Yeez... i just watched the cat video, and that happened
    to me! LOL.  My kitty just had to get on my prayer rug in
    front of me and sit there, and start rubbing all over me
    while i was trying to pray lol.  i asked other muslims what
    to do because I was afraid my kitty was breaking my wudu! LOOOOL
    If I put him out of the room, he would just cry really loud
    and scratch on my door Cheesy
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #66 - October 21, 2011, 12:21 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on October 21, 2011, 12:01 PM
    Cheesy  Yeez... i just watched the cat video, and that happened
    to me! LOL.  My kitty just had to get on my prayer rug in
    front of me and sit there, and start rubbing all over me
    while i was trying to pray lol.  i asked other muslims what
    to do because I was afraid my kitty was breaking my wudu! LOOOOL
    If I put him out of the room, he would just cry really loud
    and scratch on my door Cheesy

     You are a Cat with the Kid... lol..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IELsVPfmDfY


    I wish I had a verse in Quran which says
    Quote
    . "All Allah animals are sacred.. Cats.. dogs pigs..whatever, whoever can afford to take care of them please take care..  Allah will give those souls the Jannah.. The Real Jannah without houries."


    I am sure if I send an e-mail to that Indian Preacher Zakir Naik asking him to dig out such verse from Quran,  he will provide a verse like that from  the book by juggling Arabic words ,  translating, transmutating or even by  genital mutating the present Quran.  
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #67 - October 21, 2011, 01:20 PM
    Option 3 isn't a cop out, it is the truth!
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #68 - October 21, 2011, 01:57 PM
    ^He's right +1
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #69 - October 21, 2011, 02:01 PM
    Quote from: z10 on October 21, 2011, 08:48 AM
    But having the ability to choose is the only act that we have in this world. It is the one thing that can give us any meaning.


    +1
    and I love your avitar.  Wink
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #70 - October 21, 2011, 02:10 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on October 21, 2011, 12:21 PM
    You are a Cat with the Kid... lol..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IELsVPfmDfY


    I wish I had a verse in Quran which says
    I am sure if I send an e-mail to that Indian Preacher Zakir Naik asking him to dig out such verse from Quran,  he will provide a verse like that from  the book by juggling Arabic words ,  translating, transmutating or even by  genital mutating the present Quran.  


    That cat doesn´t look pleased at all, I am surprised it didn´t bite or scratch him and I am sure it will give him a wide berth in the future.
    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

    Khaled Hosseini - A thousand splendid suns.
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #71 - October 21, 2011, 07:27 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on October 21, 2011, 09:43 AM
    Even that is doubtful.


    You can choose to take that perspective, sure.  Smiley
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #72 - October 21, 2011, 07:37 PM
    Quote from: z10 on October 21, 2011, 07:27 PM
    You can choose to take that perspective, sure.  Smiley


    I can have the illusion of choice, sure.  Afro

    btw did you see a recent BBC documentary called "Are you good or evil?" it was about the inborn biological causes of behaviour.

    Once you take away the social and biological influences on behaviour and choice - I'm not sure what is left?
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #73 - October 21, 2011, 09:02 PM
    Quote from: harakaat on October 21, 2011, 05:51 AM
    Weren't you the one criticizing JC's nihilism in that other thread? Tongue


    Only because it was hypocritical.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #74 - October 21, 2011, 09:09 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on October 21, 2011, 07:37 PM
    I can have the illusion of choice, sure.  Afro

    btw did you see a recent BBC documentary called "Are you good or evil?" it was about the inborn biological causes of behaviour.

    Once you take away the social and biological influences on behaviour and choice - I'm not sure what is left?


    Um... like personal responsibility dude.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #75 - October 21, 2011, 09:21 PM
    Quote from: asbdsp on October 21, 2011, 09:09 PM
    Um... like personal responsibility dude.


    Yes but if our behaviour - and that includes the way we think and make choices - is defined by biological and social factors, then how responsible are we really for our choices and actions?

    For example there are genes that make one more prone to violence. There are genetically inherited brain types that leave people unable to empathise or who are driven by an unconscious urges etc...

    And this is only the tip of the iceberg - we are discovering all the time new ways that our biology defines our personality and behaviour.

    Then that's not to mention the environment we are born in and the life experiences we have no control or choice over that shape our behaviour and interact with the biological predetermined factors.

    What's left that we can really say we are responsible for?

    As I say, at best freewill is limited - at worst it is a complete illusion.
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #76 - October 21, 2011, 09:23 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on October 21, 2011, 07:37 PM
    I can have the illusion of choice, sure.  Afro

    btw did you see a recent BBC documentary called "Are you good or evil?" it was about the inborn biological causes of behaviour.

    Once you take away the social and biological influences on behaviour and choice - I'm not sure what is left?


    Yes, there are many good arguments against the idea of any human volition. However, before we get to any of the arguments, we can always be skeptical of rationality's ability to conceptualize. Establishing an objective truth about anything is, as many good arguments also show, futile. Faced with this reality, I feel our true hope of any knowledge is through the actual given nature of our experience, a truth that is true beyond all doubt.
    I may not ever be right that the yellow and round thing I see is the sun, but I can never be mistaken that the object of my consciousness is yellow and round. I could be a brain in a vat, my entire world a fiction, an illusion, but the fact is I have experienced a yellow and round object.
    Analogously then, we can extend the same sound facticity to all of the given phenomena of our experience. One of these phenomena is the given nature of human volition, our ability to create, to act, to choose.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #77 - October 21, 2011, 09:38 PM
    Quote from: z10 on October 21, 2011, 09:23 PM
    Yes, there are many good arguments against the idea of any human volition. However, before we get to any of the arguments, we can always be skeptical of rationality's ability to conceptualize. Establishing an objective truth about anything is, as many good arguments also show, futile. Faced with this reality, I feel our true hope of any knowledge is through the actual given nature of our experience, a truth that is true beyond all doubt.
    I may not ever be right that the yellow and round thing I see is the sun, but I can never be mistaken that the object of my consciousness is yellow and round. I could be a brain in a vat, my entire world a fiction, an illusion, but the fact is I have experienced a yellow and round object.
    Analogously then, we can extend the same sound facticity to all of the given phenomena of our experience. One of these phenomena is the given nature of human volition, our ability to create, to act, to choose.


    Of course we all have to work on the assumption we have choice and responsibility. It's a practical necessity to organise the world and avoid anarchy etc...

    That doesn't change the fact that our choices and behaviour are defined by factors we did not choose nor have full control over.
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #78 - October 21, 2011, 09:40 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on October 21, 2011, 09:21 PM
    Yes but if our behaviour - and that includes the way we think and make choices - is defined by biological and social factors, then how responsible are we really for our choices and actions?

    For example there are genes that make one more prone to violence. There are genetically inherited brain types that leave people unable to empathise or who are driven by an unconscious urges etc...

    And this is only the tip of the iceberg - we are discovering all the time new ways that our biology defines our personality and behaviour.

    Then that's not to mention the environment we are born in and the life experiences we have no control or choice over that shape our behaviour and interact with the biological predetermined factors.

    What's left that we can really say we are responsible for?

    As I say, at best freewill is limited - at worst it is a complete illusion.


    Our choices. X vs Y vs Z. Also how we utilize our time. These are both concrete examples where brain chemistry and environmental factors play no discernible role. Biology can't make you eat cake over pie. If you want to eat pie, you'll eat pie even if you don't want to eat pie. Also environmental factors/biology don't stop people from using their time productively. If you want to work hard you always have the option to do so.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #79 - October 21, 2011, 09:45 PM
    Quote from: asbdsp on October 21, 2011, 09:40 PM
    Our choices. X vs Y vs Z. Also how we utilize our time. These are both concrete examples where brain chemistry and environmental factors play no discernible role. Biology can't make you eat cake over pie. If you want to eat pie, you'll eat pie even if you don't want to eat pie. Also environmental factors/biology don't stop people from using their time productively. If you want to work hard you always have the option to do so.


    Sorry, but that's wrong. Biological and environmental factors certainly do influence how you use your time and yes - even whether you eat cake or pie.
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #80 - October 21, 2011, 09:48 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on October 21, 2011, 01:20 PM
    Option 3 isn't a cop out, it is the truth!


    Indeed! but you will only be able to see it if your reasoning can hold your emotions in check.You need reasoning to see the grays of life.
    Life is an interplay of contrasts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu9UtVaWYaI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvv-Azin2-w&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIADQaL1x-M&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcHDJjE65dI&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sb6RmRMbBY&feature=related

    The world needn't be a piece of shit if we are proactive about flushing the shit down the toilet.

    Quote
    “We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.”

     Oscar Wilde



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #81 - October 21, 2011, 09:51 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on October 21, 2011, 09:45 PM
    Sorry, but that's wrong. Biological and environmental factors certainly do influence how you use your time and yes - even whether you eat cake or pie.


    But I can choose to eat pie even if I don't want to. Doesn't that then override my biological and/or environmentally conditioned inclination for the cake? Same thing with working productively with my time even if I want to just fuck around.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #82 - October 21, 2011, 09:52 PM
    Quote from: asbdsp on October 21, 2011, 09:51 PM
    But I can choose to eat pie even if I don't want to. Doesn't that then override my biological and/or environmentally conditioned inclination for the cake? Same thing with working productively with my time even if I want to just fuck around.


    Nope. Even the ability (or lack thereof) to resist one influencing factor is determined by another.
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #83 - October 21, 2011, 09:52 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on October 21, 2011, 09:38 PM


    That doesn't change the fact that our choices and behaviour are defined by factors we did not choose nor have full control over.


    One cannot define something inductively. The best one can offer is a correlation and thus an approximation based on certain core assumptions. While this is all fair and a worthy exploration, we cannot call it true. In fact, there is no argument for either determinism or free will that I have come across that can make an absolute truth claim. It is because of this inability that I propose building knowledge on the given facts of experience, something that we know is true just as it is.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #84 - October 21, 2011, 09:55 PM
    Quote from: z10 on October 21, 2011, 09:52 PM
    One cannot define something inductively.


    I don't understand what your saying?

    Your biology and environment has defined who you are. Is there a problem with that statement?
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #85 - October 21, 2011, 09:56 PM
     
    Quote from: Hassan on October 21, 2011, 09:38 PM
    Of course we all have to work on the assumption we have choice and responsibility. It's a practical necessity to organise the world and avoid anarchy etc...

    That doesn't change the fact that our choices and behaviour are defined by factors we did not choose nor have full control over.


    Bingo! The best you can do is just fine tune!


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #86 - October 21, 2011, 10:03 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on October 21, 2011, 09:55 PM
    I don't understand what your saying?

    Your biology and environment has defined who you are. Is there a problem with that statement?


    Like every other attempt to formulate truths, scientific methodology has assumptions. Due to these assumptions, the best we can say is that science is useful and wonderful, but not that it is true.
    You can only define something as it truly is, an approximate definition is no definition at all.
    Seeing as science cannot offer truth, it cannot define anything, it can only speculate.
    Therefore, my behavior is not defined by my biological makeup, that is speculation that cannot be proven to be true. Without an absolute truth claim, why should anyone accept biological claims as definitive?
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #87 - October 21, 2011, 10:17 PM
    Quote from: z10 on October 21, 2011, 10:03 PM
    Like every other attempt to formulate truths, scientific methodology has assumptions. Due to these assumptions, the best we can say is that science is useful and wonderful, but not that it is true.
    You can only define something as it truly is, an approximate definition is no definition at all.
    Seeing as science cannot offer truth, it cannot define anything, it can only speculate.
    Therefore, my behavior is not defined by my biological makeup, that is speculation that cannot be proven to be true. Without an absolute truth claim, why should anyone accept biological claims as definitive?


    It's not speculation that inherited brain types and genes affect behaviour. It's not speculation that environmental factors affect behaviour.

  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #88 - October 21, 2011, 10:19 PM
    I'm off to bed now Zed - but watch this BBC documentary that I referred to earlier - especially the last two parts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u88lYs4FMTY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-W8VEJyPRc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Mv5Hw4Geg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmAyxpAFS1s
  • Re: Fuck this world, it's a piece of shit!
     Reply #89 - October 21, 2011, 10:20 PM
    @z10 have you heard of Aileen Wuornos?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
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