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  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #60 - October 23, 2011, 12:24 AM
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    And how does that affect YOU?

    Are YOU going to be killed and eaten? No.
    Are YOUR rights being infringed on? No.

    So I fail to see what the problem is.


    Not everything is permissible between consenting adults. Laws have to strike a balance between those rights which we seek to uphold and the interests of society in general.

    For instance take another 'consenting adult'  scenario someone who is terminally ill and in tremendous pain and wants to end their own life what is the crime?. Does the person truly want to end their life or are they being pressured by family or the state for financial or other reasons? That is why the state has a interest into making such a practice illegal or very tightly controlled. It does so in order to protect all the members of the state even if a few individuals don't get exactly what they want.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #61 - October 23, 2011, 12:30 AM
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    I still fail to see how consenting acts affect your notion of 'social order' -


    you dont think married persons cheating on their other halves contibutes to a ripples in social order - jealoulsy, anger, breakdown of marriage, knock-on effect onto possible children etc etc. Lol, sometimes I think if there were rules on fucking - not necessarily moral ones, but some sort of rules and people stuck to them, i.e did not fuck out of turn, then perhaps there would be greater harmony between the sexes.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #62 - October 23, 2011, 12:41 AM
    I am in support of voluntary euthanasia and my hope is that in the near future there will be more progress and open dialogue in this area so that legislation will allow for the fundamental right to choose to die, while at the same time putting measures in place to ensure the person makes the choice freely and not under duress.

    Outlawing such actions is not helpful in any way. Open and meaningful dialogue, debate and research does.

    Terminally ill people in pain and with no quality of life have a right to choose to end it. Those who seek to stop them, should first be subjected to the same conditions as the patients for at least a year. Let them see what it feels like to have someone clean shit from their ass every day and drool on themselves while being fed. Then they can comment on how someone else should handle their life.
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #63 - October 23, 2011, 12:46 AM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on October 23, 2011, 12:30 AM
    you dont think married persons cheating on their other halves contibutes to a ripples in social order - jealoulsy, anger, breakdown of marriage, knock-on effect onto possible children etc etc. Lol, sometimes I think if there were rules on fucking - not necessarily moral ones, but some sort of rules and people stuck to them, i.e did not fuck out of turn, then perhaps there would be greater harmony between the sexes.


    People will fuck no matter what. You think places like Saudi and Iran are morally chaste societies? Despite all their religious laws and punishments, people still do drugs, commit adultery and whole gamut of other 'sins'.  Roll Eyes

    You think enslaving people in Draconian law will 'cure' things? Which century do you live in?  Roll Eyes Unless you're a troll (and a poor one at that).
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #64 - October 23, 2011, 12:53 AM
    Quote from: Sir Wankalot on October 23, 2011, 12:09 AM
    And how does that affect YOU?

    Are YOU going to be killed and eaten? No.
    Are YOUR rights being infringed on? No.

    So I fail to see what the problem is.


    What if it was one of your family members who wanted to be killed and eaten?
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #65 - October 23, 2011, 12:57 AM
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    People will fuck no matter what. You think places like Saudi and Iran are morally chaste societies? Despite all their religious laws and punishments, people still do drugs, commit adultery and whole gamut of other 'sins'.


    I am not talking morals or sins - just feel that if INDEED no one fucked out of turn (whatever constituted 'turn') there would be more social harmony between the sexes. The more fucking out of turn that occurs the more social harmony gets disrupted.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #66 - October 23, 2011, 01:01 AM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on October 23, 2011, 12:53 AM
    What if it was one of your family members who wanted to be killed and eaten?


    What business is that of mine? It would be weird and gruesome, but at the end of the day it is their choice... just like it's their choice to get divorced, or change their religion etc. Why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp? Grin
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #67 - October 23, 2011, 01:07 AM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on October 23, 2011, 12:57 AM
    I am not talking morals or sins - just feel that if INDEED no one fucked out of turn (whatever constituted 'turn') there would be more social harmony between the sexes. The more fucking out of turn that occurs the more social harmony gets disrupted.


    Wtf does social harmony between the sexes mean any way?

    There are far more important things that would help make the world a better place - if all politicians and businesses were honest, if no one tried to sell drugs to kids, if no one abused kids, if countries refused to wage wars etc. All of these would make society so much better and yet all you seem to think the world needs is people keeping their hands to themselves  Cheesy
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #68 - October 23, 2011, 01:13 AM
    Quote from: Sir Wankalot on October 23, 2011, 12:41 AM
    I am in support of voluntary euthanasia and my hope is that in the near future there will be more progress and open dialogue in this area so that legislation will allow for the fundamental right to choose to die,..

    Did I miss something what does volutary euthanasia have to do with promiscuity?
    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #69 - October 23, 2011, 06:06 AM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on October 23, 2011, 12:57 AM


    Dude, do you have to be play devil's advocate in every topic? Its not that i have a problem with you but some people will believe the things that you are posting which you yourself dont believe in it,which isnt good.
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #70 - October 23, 2011, 06:28 AM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on October 23, 2011, 12:53 AM
    What if it was one of your family members who wanted to be killed and eaten?


    Are you serious? You remind me of my Islamic teacher.

    Me: Why, of course I believe that any woman has the right to engage in premarital sexual intercourse if she wishes to do so!
    Islamic teacher: Ah... but what if it was your sister?
    Me [facepalm]: THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE!
    Other student: Eh, harakaat -- give me your sister's number.
    [Teacher and I continue arguing until she storms out of the classroom after the bell rings]
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #71 - October 23, 2011, 09:02 AM
    Quote from: Sir Wankalot on October 23, 2011, 12:09 AM
    And how does that affect YOU?

    Are YOU going to be killed and eaten? No.
    Are YOUR rights being infringed on? No.

    So I fail to see what the problem is.


     Afro Totally agree with the sentiment here, HOWEVER...

    in order to legalize such a thing it would require a major change in our criminal justice system. Right now it's (supposedly) innocent until proven guilty and the burden of proof is on the prosecution, moreover the standard is "proof beyond reasonable doubt" If we were to legalize consent to being killed it seems like the law would have to be changed in this instance at least to put the burden of proof on the killer otherwise you'd have all kinds of sickos killing people claiming the person consented to it. I think in order to allow such a thing you should have to enter into a legally-binding contract with your killer that is witnessed in a court hearing prior to the killing (the court could determine whether or not consent existed and if the person was entering into the contract fully informed and without coercion).
    fuck you
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #72 - October 23, 2011, 10:10 AM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on October 23, 2011, 09:02 AM
    Afro Totally agree with the sentiment here, HOWEVER...

    in order to legalize such a thing it would require a major change in our criminal justice system. Right now it's (supposedly) innocent until proven guilty and the burden of proof is on the prosecution, moreover the standard is "proof beyond reasonable doubt" If we were to legalize consent to being killed it seems like the law would have to be changed in this instance at least to put the burden of proof on the killer otherwise you'd have all kinds of sickos killing people claiming the person consented to it. I think in order to allow such a thing you should have to enter into a legally-binding contract with your killer that is witnessed in a court hearing prior to the killing (the court could determine whether or not consent existed and if the person was entering into the contract fully informed and without coercion).


    Oh yeah, definitely support what you say. Some sort of legal framework would need to be in place for issues like consenting to be killed or voluntary euthanasia. This can only be achieved when people let go of their taboo hang ups and allow for open dialogue and discussion.

    What pisses me off is the knee jerk emotional reaction of 'oh this is bad/immoral/unnatural, it should be outlawed' especially when the actual act is consensual and doesn't affect the said person in any way.

    And there will always be humans trying to abuse certain freedoms to their advantage. For example, abortion is a legal right for a woman. However, thanks to medical technology, we can now determine the sex of a foetus well before it is born. This leads to some families in places like India (and even Indian families in the UK, US etc) to harass and pressure a woman who is carrying a girl to abort it. This is very rife and sadly, under reported. Does that mean we should go back to outlawing abortion? No, it means certain unpalatable issues need to be discussed openly and measures taken to allow women in such situations to approach those who can help them.
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #73 - October 23, 2011, 07:43 PM
    I agree with gladfly. If one is going to haver sex, let it be with one whom one loves, so that it can deepen a fine relationship.
    Interested in Buddhism? Check out http://www.accesstoinsight.org/!
    Consider Nalanda University, and never let it happen again.
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #74 - October 23, 2011, 10:13 PM
    Quote from: Sir Wankalot on October 23, 2011, 12:14 AM
    No, it seems to be a drift towards wanting everyone to conform to ones view of how things should be. Which is in the same league as the religions nutters wanting gays killed and women covered up from head to toe, albeit less extreme.

    I still fail to see how consenting acts affect your notion of 'social order'. When violence or harm is inflicted on unconsenting beings - human or animal, that should be a cause for concern.


    +1000000

    As long as you are an adult practicing safe sex, using condoms, not taking advantage of people who are drunk or otherwise intoxicated, protecting yourself from STDs and unwanted pregnancies, and you are not physically harming or emotionally scarring yourself or someone else, there is no reason not to go and enjoy casual sex with other informed consenting adults who also want to have sex for the sake of sex.

    Of course emotions get entangled, and that is something to watch out for, both in yourself and in your sexual partners.

    Go and shag and have fun (safely) or stick to one (or two or three) people. Just don't try and impose your way on everyone else.

    As for cheating/adultery, that is more of a result of forced monogamy and a culture that treats people like property. Nobody can legislate adultery away.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #75 - October 23, 2011, 10:17 PM
    But adultery creates much betrayal in the partner being cheated on.
    Interested in Buddhism? Check out http://www.accesstoinsight.org/!
    Consider Nalanda University, and never let it happen again.
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #76 - October 23, 2011, 10:18 PM
    Quote from: YellowSky on October 23, 2011, 10:17 PM
    But adultery creates much betrayal in the partner being cheated on.


    Yes. But sex is not the only way to betray someone. The problem in adultery is that it is a breach of contract, the contract being enforced monogamy.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #77 - October 23, 2011, 10:20 PM
    Well, if people want to be in open relationships, they are welcome to do so. I am convinced that monogamy builds discipline and teaches how to control desires.
    Interested in Buddhism? Check out http://www.accesstoinsight.org/!
    Consider Nalanda University, and never let it happen again.
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #78 - October 23, 2011, 10:23 PM
    Quote from: YellowSky on October 23, 2011, 10:20 PM
    Well, if people want to be in open relationships, they are welcome to do so. I am convinced that monogamy builds discipline and teaches how to control desires.


    Well, if people want to be in closed relationships, they are welcome to do so. I am convinced that monogamy is not for most people, but everyone is supposed to follow it. That is the enforcement I am talking about.

    As for building discipline and controlling desires, sure, there is some value in that. But that does not mean people who are in open relationships, who are polyamorous, or who are promiscuous with other promiscuous people have no discipline especially if they practice safe sex, with informed consent of all parties, and respect each other's boundaries.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #79 - October 23, 2011, 10:25 PM

    Most people have monogamous / semi monogamous lives but promiscuous imaginations anyway. Even total monogamists can't control that saucy devil in the mind.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #80 - October 23, 2011, 10:26 PM
    True, but often there is a stereotype of such people as being quite interested in sex and less interested in relationships. I suppose that I shall have to reconsider.  thnkyu

    We must purge our defilements. Anyway, thoughts are less likely to create bad karma in the world. I am sure that many people, if they were to be judged on their sexual thoughts, would be criminals.
    Interested in Buddhism? Check out http://www.accesstoinsight.org/!
    Consider Nalanda University, and never let it happen again.
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #81 - October 23, 2011, 10:26 PM
    It only sucks when everyone else is doing it but you. Otherwise known as high school.. haha. *awkward*
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #82 - October 23, 2011, 10:28 PM
    Quote from: allat on October 23, 2011, 10:18 PM
    Yes. But sex is not the only way to betray someone. The problem in adultery is that it is a breach of contract, the contract being enforced monogamy.

    Enforced? By whom? It's an agreement between two consenting individuals hence there is no room for coercion here.
    Breach of 'contract' under such circumstances becomes an issue simply because it represents a serious breach of trust.
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #83 - October 23, 2011, 10:30 PM
    Quote from: Jesus Christ on October 23, 2011, 10:26 PM
    It only sucks when everyone else is doing it but you. Otherwise known as high school.. haha. *awkward*


    Man, tell me about it. I am sure that few would be interested in going out with my crippled, near deaf body. It is so difficult to have conversations Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry
    Interested in Buddhism? Check out http://www.accesstoinsight.org/!
    Consider Nalanda University, and never let it happen again.
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #84 - October 23, 2011, 10:32 PM
    Also, where do you draw the line? How frequently must one have sex to be considered promiscious? I'd imagine we all have very different opinions on where we draw the line between being a total slut and just having multiple partners in a responsible manner.
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #85 - October 23, 2011, 10:36 PM
    Quote from: YellowSky on October 23, 2011, 10:30 PM
    Man, tell me about it. I am sure that few would be interested in going out with my crippled, near deaf body. It is so difficult to have conversations Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry


    1. You never know.

    2. Aren't you a Buddhist? If so, fuck desire man. I have to say although I don't believe in Buddhism the first two noble truths make a hell of a lot of sense to me.
    fuck you
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #86 - October 23, 2011, 10:37 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on October 23, 2011, 10:28 PM
    Enforced? By whom? It's an agreement between two consenting individuals hence there is no room for coercion here.
    Breach of 'contract' under such circumstances becomes an issue simply because it represents a serious breach of trust.


    Traditional marriage itself is the institution that enforces monogamy. Our entire culture, religions, govts, media, social norms enforce it. To marry 1 person and only 1 person "at the exclusion of all others" is the underlying conditional statement. Countless stories, songs, myths, etc. glorify monogamy as "natural" and "universal".

    The trust is there that when you marry another person, you will both be monogamous, because the institution of marriage is monogamous - and that is why you sign a marriage license or contract. The trust is broken when one or both parties can not uphold their side of the contract.

    What happens is after a certain amount of time, one or both partners get bored and want to try someone/something new. Given that they are now in contract for life to this person, they end up either cheating, or repressing their desires, culminating in resentments, and other issues.

    Most people today practice "serial monogamy" i.e. date someone new > break up > date someone new > break up > date someone new...

    or

    Marry for life > Divorce > Date > Marry for life > Divorce > Date > Marry for life > Divorce...

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #87 - October 23, 2011, 10:40 PM
    I know it's not a new idea, but the idea of a marriage 'contract' sounds like a good idea. You could select 5, 10, 25 year period and it would expire afterwards. If the people still love each other they can renew it.
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #88 - October 23, 2011, 10:44 PM
    The way I see it, why should I expect that everything I want must be given to me by one and only one person? Why should another person expect me to be absolutely everything to them that they want? Is it ever possible to find that and then to sustain that forever?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Whats your view on Promiscuity?
     Reply #89 - October 23, 2011, 10:50 PM
    Like I said though, for those people who genuinely want monogamy, not just because they think that's what is expected of them, they should find other people who want the same and be monogamous together.

    Nothing wrong with that at all. I love seeing stories of people like that - there are too few who have been together for decades and decades and been happy.

    Those who are inclined towards open relationships should not have to conform to monogamous standards. Those are able to responsibly enjoy promiscuity with others like them, should not be restricted as long as there is honesty in those relationships.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
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