I'm not very good at the symbolic card. Although there are symbolic things in the Bible.
And what is the rule or the border where we can say this is Symbolic and this is Literal
Plus why would God give humanity such a vague and highly symbolic Book to the 2nd, 3rd or whatever Century people who let's face it were pretty much illiterate and not educated and science and technology was nowhere near the level it is today??
What is the point preaching to a guy with the IQ of 80 stuff he can't even understand and probably will be taking them as literal.
Does god not want everyone saved
? does got only wants the ones with the IQ of 110+ Saved
Just something about me, I was raised never believing in a hell of burning torment and torture. I can actually go to the Bible and use scriptures to show that when people die they are just humm... nothing except in God's memory until his resurrections them on the last day and then still no hellfire.
And I can actually go to the bible and find u passages and verses where it says that people will be burning in hell fire for Eternity.
But I really for the First time in my life look at what some poeple have been taught about hellfire. .I was shocked. I spent time all by myself crying and thinking if some one had told those lies I would also be running from religion so fast and never looking back.
Oh please give me a break, many people, I don't know if it is exaggerated if I say most people believe in after life and God because they are scared of Eternal Torture and if they new there is no hell fire and hell they would never be in religion in the first place.
Plus what is the point making people believe in you with Hell and threats, like Stalin and Hitler.
People should believe in you because of your good Qualities and follow u because of your good qualities not fear u, cuz in the end fear is fear and it is nor respect.
So you may be thinking so what, the point being I'm interested in exchange of information more thenjust argueing. So if you've got ideas and I've got time I will usually have the conversation.
That is why we are here, to exchange ideas and talk about it.
Right now the main thing, if nothing else, in my conversation with Strangestdude I'm ininterested in omniscient. I'm very interested in learning about that idea. For me, I do better in a one to one conversation that way I'm focused.
That is what we talking, Omniscience and that is my point between the lines.
As I told u, why create something when u know what kind of result u will get and then blame them for that result???
U can't say God didn't know our choices cuz I can copy past u verses from the Quran where it says he knows our choices and everything.
The Bible repeatedly tells us that God knows everything. His knowledge, in fact, is “perfect [Job 37:16] and is “beyond measure” [Psa. 147:5]. He sees every move we make, He knows the innermost thoughts of our hearts and He even knows what we are going to say before we say it [1 Sam. 16:7; 1 Chron. 28:9; Psa. 139:1-6; Jer. 17:10; Heb. 4:12-13]. Unlike the false gods of our time, the Lord knows everything: Even what’s going to happen in the future [Isa. 41:21-24; 42:9; 44:7]. Jesus, interestingly enough, also tells us that our heavenly Father numbers the very hairs on our head. By the way, it’s interesting to note that God actually revealed to Isaiah the name of Cyrus even before he was actually born — in fact, one century before he was born. Cyrus, of course, was the king who returned the Jews to their homeland after the Babylonian exile [Isa. 44:28-45:1].
You know as Matthew 11 points out, God even knows what people would have done if their circumstances had been different [Matt. 11:21]. Well despite the evidence, some people today still deny that the Bible teaches that God is omniscient or all-knowing. As evidence they point out silly little things like in Genesis where God had to look for Adam in the Garden of Eden, or later on in the book of Genesis [Gen. 3:9-13] they point out that God had to go down to Sodom and Gomorrah to find out how bad their sin actually was [Gen. 18:20-21]. Well, it should go without saying that these passages don’t indicate, by any stretch of the imagination, that God doesn’t know everything. In fact, they’re not even very difficult to understand. You see, as a parent I often ask my kids where they are or what they’ve done, even when I already know, because I want them to face up to what they did wrong. God does the very same thing with us.
There is nothing to know about God being Omniscent.
God is telling u in the Bible and Quran that he is Omniscent.
U can go on arguing how he didn't manage this and that and micro Management but we all know that is bull.
And you are not learning about an Idea, it is not an Idea, it is what it is, like gravity like Light, it is what it is, the bible which u base ur morals tells u that.
U know what I don't like about Religious people, I don't like when they go around and try to give 100 Meanings to the bible or some stuff in the bible.
Bible and other Holy Books are not meant to be that hard to get in the first place, because we know the masses are dumb and they need to understand it, what is the point if u go to school and in the first day they teach u Trigonometry while they trying to teach u how to add and subtract in the same time.
And God indeed is OMNISCENT, whoever claims differently is a religious douche that deep down inside he doesn't believe the bible either he just wants to believe it not as it is there but as he wants it to be.
Plus God is Omniscent, he is the ALL KNOWING.
now the question is:
According to Gen 3, where the serpent tricked Eve to eat of the forbidden fruit, WHY DID GOD PUT THAT TREE THERE WHEN HE KNEW THAT IF IT IS EATEN, IT WILL CAUSE HAVOC TO THE BEATIFUL WORLD HE CREATED.
Secondly in Gen 6 vs 7- GOD said " i will wipe out these paople i have created, and also the animals and the birds, because i am sorry that i made any of them. The Questions now is, WHY DID HE MAKE THAT KIND OF STATEMENT, IS IT THAT HE NEVER KNEW THAT HUMANS WERE GOING TO BE THAT BAD? WHY THE REGRET
Lastly, In 1 thess 4 vs 17- Then we which are living at that time will be gathered up along with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, And so shall we ever be with the Lord, THE QUESTION- Was It God's Intention, that we should be with him in heaven, if yes then why creating the earth?
So it is a common fact and well known that God is OMNISCENT, now he made something he knew the result of and he will blame them for that result.
I mean u know what u doing, you do it and then u blame the ones u do for the outcome when u knew what the outcome is gonna be.
Plus, in verses where it says, everyone will be accountable for his own actions and give explanations.
What explanation doesn't God accept??
God is Almighty Beyond every understanding, he has created everything and this would include Atoms, Electrons inside and everything which shows ENOUGH how powerful God is and still he will deal with something utterly lame like Why did u steal???.
I think everyone that stole has an Explanation.
Someone needed to steal to survive, someone stole to be rich.
Someone killed because he had some kind of Chemical Imbalance in his head.
Plus what is the point Testing people, if u can call it like that ?
I mean u have the power to not let this happen and even if u let this happen u have the power to fix it or when people come to you up there u have the power to tell them: Hey dude look this is it, this is what it is, this is the truth u were wrong and save them or whatever instead of
Eternal Torture for a Finite Crime.
And why the ALL KNOWING has to judge people according to their beliefs and if u say he doesn't cuz he needs u to logically find god then what happens to those that can't understand how can God exist, like Low IQ, not able to comprehend, I mean the guy doesn't get it screw him he is an Ignorant he needs help he needs to understand u can't judge someone when he does something he doesn't understand, can u ??
And even if he does he did it cuz somehow he wanted to and he could do it cuz he was given the free will.
Good questions. However not for the most part on the topic of omniscient or foreknowledge or God's knowledge. So if you please perhaps another time.
yes it is not part of it but I would also like to say that you should Keep in mind that Omniscence and Foreknowledge are related closely to Predetermination.
and we all know how Predetermination works with free will, it doesn't.
ANYWAYS, I REST MY CASE HERE, LET U DISCUSS WHAT U BEEN DISCUSSING HERE AND CUT THE OFFTOPIC, WE WILL DISCUSS THIS IN ANOTHER THREAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
Topic: Yo Lynna!