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  • question about evolution
     OP - October 25, 2011, 07:29 PM

    we know that we evolved from apes......i have few questions about evolution......they are very specific thats why i didnt search them on google

    1) how many generations are there between apes and us...by generation i mean different type of species ?
    2) if we look around ........ humans are totally different from apes and other animals....i m not talking about dna stuff..but living style stuff ............i will give the following examples
           a) diverse culture.....animals where ever they are live in the same way but humans have their own culture from country to country
           b) language (most problematic for me) ..... animals where ever they are speak in same way ..but humans speak different different languages
           c) development ......animals do not get developed or modernized...they are same without any change in them...but humans keep making their lives easy and developed...........why any animal was unable to invent something ?......

    what changed in the evolution process that made human beings so different than animals

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  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #1 - October 25, 2011, 07:33 PM

    Quote
    we know that we evolved from apes....

    We ARE apes! Come on, you just sounded like some idiot theist, you should know better!

    I shouldn't be here. Really. Shaytan SWT deluded ALL of us. Amen.
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #2 - October 25, 2011, 07:34 PM

    No. We did not evolve from apes.

    Apes and humans shared a common ancestor.

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #3 - October 25, 2011, 07:35 PM

    sorry for writing wrong.....you can just think in a way that we and apes are cousins....and we share common ancestors.....and that ancestor is also an animal

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  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #4 - October 25, 2011, 07:36 PM

    We are animals.

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #5 - October 25, 2011, 07:37 PM

    yeah we r animals......but kindly answer my 2nd question that i asked...that what made us so different

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  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #6 - October 25, 2011, 07:38 PM

     a) diverse culture.....animals where ever they are live in the same way but humans have their own culture from country to country
           b) language (most problematic for me) ..... animals where ever they are speak in same way ..but humans speak different different languages
           c) development ......animals do not get developed or modernized...they are same without any change in them...but humans keep making their lives easy and developed...........why any animal was unable to invent something ?......

    Disbelief doesn't justify getting tortured in eternal hell
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #7 - October 25, 2011, 07:47 PM

    We have bigger brains than they do.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #8 - October 25, 2011, 07:51 PM

    We are not the only animals that use tools. Bower birds build elaborate homes. Termites build house that has air conditioning...

    Whales and dolphins have a complex langage.

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #9 - October 25, 2011, 08:20 PM

    Excuse me, human beings are great apes, so therefore apes we are. As to the rest Kaartoos, I get back to you on some of those pointers you have asked over.
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #10 - October 25, 2011, 08:21 PM

    Cows have different regional ‘accents’ as well:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5277090.stm
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #11 - October 25, 2011, 08:22 PM

    Yes, but their conversation is really dull.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #12 - October 25, 2011, 08:47 PM

    Their dances are incredible though. You should see the way they moo–ve!
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #13 - October 25, 2011, 08:49 PM

    a) diverse culture.....animals where ever they are live in the same way but humans have their own culture from country to country
           b) language (most problematic for me) ..... animals where ever they are speak in same way ..but humans speak different different languages
           c) development ......animals do not get developed or modernized...they are same without any change in them...but humans keep making their lives easy and developed...........why any animal was unable to invent something ?......


    a) Chimps have demonstrated culture, depending on the location chimps may have different methods for doing the same task. http://www.archaeology.org/online/news/chimps.html

    b) I am not so sure about this, I distinctly remember a documentary which covered this topic, though I am not sure if it was about chimpanzees specifically. It stated that the yells and certain behaviour can mean different things based on location. Something you may find interesting is bbc's article on chimpanzee gestures and meanings. http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9475000/9475408.stm

    c) You may be surprised to find that this point is not true. Fongoli chimps have been reported to use tools to hunt other animals. This can be considered a change, these chimps have developed to make life for them easier.
    Here, we report the first account of habitual tool use during vertebrate hunting by nonhumans. - http://www.anthro.utah.edu/PDFs/pruetz-cb-17-412.pdf

    Also animals use tools and this is common knowledge, but it has been contested that tool usage pre-dates human development which would mean we did not invent tool use.

    You may enjoy this documentary as it touches a couple of topics you seem to be interested in. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/changing-ape/

    n = 0 : n + [1,1,1...]
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #14 - October 25, 2011, 09:17 PM

    1) how many generations are there between apes and us...by generation i mean different type of species ?


    Humans/Chimps split about 6.3 million years ago.
    http://www.timetree.org/index.php?taxon_a=human&taxon_b=chimpanzee&submit=Search


    2) if we look around ........ humans are totally different from apes and other animals....i m not talking about dna stuff..but living style stuff ............i will give the following examples
           a) diverse culture.....animals where ever they are live in the same way but humans have their own culture from country to country


    That's because of our development of speech, which is an excellent method for transmitting information.  I think some apes also pass on information to their offspring by teaching them stuff.


           b) language (most problematic for me) ..... animals where ever they are speak in same way ..but humans speak different different languages


    Same as above.  Information diversified, especially as we spread.  Imagine the first time we had to make up a new sound for "snow", different groups would have named it different ways.

           c) development ......animals do not get developed or modernized...they are same without any change in them...but humans keep making their lives easy and developed...........why any animal was unable to invent something ?......


    All of your questions seem to revolve around the concept of information transmission :-)


    what changed in the evolution process that made human beings so different than animals


    Can you guess what one of the potential answers is? :-)

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  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #15 - October 25, 2011, 09:26 PM

    Whereas the split with cute ickle bunnies was about 93.9 million years ago!

    http://www.timetree.org/index.php?taxon_a=human&taxon_b=rabbit&submit=Search
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #16 - October 25, 2011, 09:35 PM

    The split with spiders was 777.7 million years ago! (Okay, fine, I deducted a hundred thousand years).

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #17 - October 25, 2011, 09:56 PM

    thnx all .... i understood many points

    VHD thnx for the documentary changing ape.....its awesome.............

    TheRationalizer.......... question , out of topic......................what about that jinnandtonic show ??

    Disbelief doesn't justify getting tortured in eternal hell
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #18 - October 25, 2011, 10:08 PM

    Quote
    we know that we evolved from apes......i have few questions about evolution......they are very specific thats why i didnt search them on google

    1) how many generations are there between apes and us...by generation i mean different type of species ?
    2) if we look around ........ humans are totally different from apes and other animals....i m not talking about dna stuff..but living style stuff ............i will give the following examples
           a) diverse culture.....animals where ever they are live in the same way but humans have their own culture from country to country
           b) language (most problematic for me) ..... animals where ever they are speak in same way ..but humans speak different different languages
           c) development ......animals do not get developed or modernized...they are same without any change in them...but humans keep making their lives easy and developed...........why any animal was unable to invent something ?......

    what changed in the evolution process that made human beings so different than animals

    We ARE apes! Come on, you just sounded like some idiot theist, you should know better!


    No...no., wait MnfqKfrMrtd.,    whether the question comes form theist or atheist, it is a valid question and extension of those question of kartoos also valid MnfqKfrMrtd.

    We can explore,  negate and question the answers from the existing scientific proofs, but what is important to note is, one will never   find  answers to those questions from the existing theological of books of any religion.  Neither the answer will be god was mad and made us one day  so we are different from animal species..

    But the questions on evolution however silly they may sound, they are    valid ..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #19 - October 25, 2011, 10:31 PM

    The split with spiders was 777.7 million years ago! (Okay, fine, I deducted a hundred thousand years).

    Wow, so we’re actually more closely related to birds (292.2 millions years) than we are to spiders!

    And check out our relation to amoeba: 1184.5 Million Years. As in billion.
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #20 - October 25, 2011, 10:33 PM

    Well, duh Tongue Both humans and birds are vertebrates.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #21 - October 25, 2011, 10:34 PM

    Not necessarily. I've met some people who were spineless.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #22 - October 25, 2011, 10:40 PM

    lol

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #23 - October 25, 2011, 10:40 PM

    Well, duh Tongue Both humans and birds are vertebrates.

    Well before that vertebrate came out through evolution, there must have been something out there..

    Not necessarily. I've met some people who were spineless.

    Hmm.. they must have evolved from snakes..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #24 - October 25, 2011, 10:42 PM

    Yeezevee! Snakes are vertebrates too!

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #25 - October 25, 2011, 10:47 PM

    Yeezevee! Snakes are vertebrates too!


    well you can put real snakes  anywhere you like ..   Invertebrate vs Vertebrate differences

    But I think spineless humans are evolved out of snakes.. .. any ways.. it is good to keep in mind the Phylogenetic tree and how it gets branched..




    Scientific approach to describing the Human Evolutionary Tree.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #26 - October 25, 2011, 10:58 PM



    Ha!   that comes out of funny link.. The guy is a Muslims and Evolutionary biologist..   funny combination..

    IMAM ALI AND DARWINISM_In the name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful.  IMAM ALI –THE FATHER OF EVOLUTIONARY THEORY

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #27 - October 26, 2011, 12:28 AM

    Quite interesting fact - The Gibbon is the only monkey that walks on two legs.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #28 - October 26, 2011, 04:21 AM

    Even more interesting fact: gibbons are not monkeys. They are apes.

    Really fucking awesome fact: some other apes walk on two legs too. Wink

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  • Re: question about evolution
     Reply #29 - October 26, 2011, 10:52 AM


    A  page from Darwin's notebook...

    So the conclusion of available biological facts on earth are  all  the existing  evidence points out  to the following.

    1) The  life on Earth has evolved and that species share common ancestors. That means there must be a common ancestors/ a complex chemical reactions to start the life..  We don't know what it is..

    Biologists are not arguing about evolution  But they are trying to figure out how evolution happens and that job is not that simple.  It involves collecting data, proposing hypotheses, creating models and ask the questions about the conclusions..  All sciences ask questions   evolutionary biology is no exception to that rule.

    Some of the questions that evolutionary biologists are trying to answer include:

       1. Does evolution tend to proceed slowly and steadily or in quick jumps?

       2. Why are some clades very diverse and some unusually sparse?

       3. How does evolution produce new and complex features?

       4. Are there trends in evolution, and if so, what processes generate them?

    Those  are very common questions around evolutionary biologists But another exciting subject is doing Gedanken Experiments on Future  Human  evolution., in other words what would be the evolutionary future of Human race  says after 100,000 years?? We know Human evolutionary history fairy accurate..  

    1) The term "human" in the context of human evolution refers to the genus Homo, but studies of human evolution usually include other hominids, such as the Australopithecines, from which the genus Homo had diverged by about 2.3 to 2.4 million years ago in Africa.

    2). Scientists have estimated that humans branched off from their common ancestor with chimpanzees about 5–7 million years ago. Several species and subspecies of Homo evolved and are now extinct, introgressed or extant. Examples include Homo erectus (which inhabited Asia, Africa, and Europe) and Neanderthals (either Homo neanderthalensis or Homo sapiens neanderthalensis) (which inhabited Europe and Asia). Archaic Homo sapiens evolved between 400,000 and 250,000 years ago

    3). Recent African origin of modern humans, ROAM, or recent African origin hypothesis, which argues that Homo sapiens arose in Africa and migrated out of the continent around 50,000 to 100,000 years ago, replacing populations of Homo erectus in Asia and Neanderthals in Europe.

    So in essence we are only 50.000 year old.. , Think about the planet future 100,000 years down the road what our future generations will be....  Now couple that to this thread floating in CEMB   Population grows from 1 billion in 1804 to 7 billion  So if the population of earth is 7 billion now., what was population around the time of  say Moses, Jesus or Muhammad??   Look at this graph



    So can some of you guys estimate the population of Middle East during Prophet's time ??

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