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  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #540 - November 17, 2011, 04:05 PM

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    No No No I did NOT. References to "literalist" Islam (carrying it with the implication of a "non-literalist" variety) were made by a number of posters on this thread before I stuck my oar in on page 6 in response to billy's post:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yfr_Zj1iU4

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    Let us suppose this "complication" does exist. What would you hope an average, say non-Muslim briton, would conclude about ISLAM and MUSLIMS by this "complication", this supposed existence of "Multiple schools of thought"?


    I have no interest in the average person, none whatever.

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    So you would agree with me that billy and others here would be better not using the "meaningless" term "literalist Islam" with its equally meaningless implicit corollary "non-literalist" Islam?


    Yes

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    Should the former "version "of "Islam" equally warrant the pre-fix "TRUE" as the latter, IF the "Muslim" making "cheese salat" claimed, even genuinely believed, this was how Allah wanted things done?


    I would hear their argument first.

    We were making cheese long before we had all the religions we have today. So clearly, it has to play some role in God's plan. Cheesy

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    In other words "variations" among Islamic law schools, or Muslims in general, in understanding of the requirement of prayer are inconsequential and carry with them no significant ramifications. I put it to you that the same can be said of "variations" with regard to sharia and jihad. There may be slight differences among Madhabs but the average non-Muslim who believed "ISLAM teaches the violent conquest, mass murder and subjugation of non-Muslims" should not conclude from the alleged existence of vairiations to change this simple view. Do you agree?


    What the fudge? You do know 3 out of the 4 main schools of thought require military jihad a necessity ONCE attacked by others first. And all are in agreement that orders can only be issued by the State. It's why most Muslims are against it, dumbass. Because it's NOT jihad. Isn't obvious enough that a civilization could not endure this long if that were it's code of ethics? Get a grip on reality.

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    I didn't admit they are necessary. I said it is easier for me to provide the relevent hadith than trawl through the Koran for relevent verses. Do YOU think the hadith are necessary as your use of the word "admit" seems to apply?


    If you spent ten years, with Qur'an and hadeeth, memorizing everything, go to a mosque, and join a prayer you'll look like a retard, assuming you don't already.





    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #541 - November 17, 2011, 04:12 PM

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    If we accept your above (to say the least) questionable assertion that flogging has superceded stoning  according to the Islamic texts then there is only ONE plausible way of "submitting to the will of Allah" when it comes to the treatment of adulterers ie what it says in the Qur'an. Agreed?


    No.

    The State doesn't decide it, the wife/husband does, they bring the charges. Sometimes divorce is enough. Not to forget of course, corruption! Bribery is an option too. Also, as holding a prisoner costs £40,000 a year here, not really an option then. Most scholars have taken note of this, and require that the punishment is what is necessary, not the manner in which it is done. Go and debate with them, I personally don't even think it's a crime. Just being a dick to your wife/husband. The State doesn't go out looking for adulterers, dumbass.

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #542 - November 17, 2011, 04:14 PM

    Quote from: "posthuman"
    A munafiq was someone who pretended to be Muslim,


    You mean like they said "I'm a Muslim" or "I believe" but didn't really?

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    I also find it rather disgusting that you would wriggle out of this by attempting to even imply the Muslims on 9/11 don't count as Muslims.


    Spare me your contrived affrontedness strawman builder! I said MUMINS not "MUSLIMS" believers (Mumins) are ordered  not to kill "of set purpose". The Qur'an lists a multitude of "sins" that disqualify people who commit them from the ranks of THE BELIEVERS and all the 9-11 hijackers had to do was satisfy themselves that "Muslims" in the building (or plane) were guilty of at least one of them to render them "fair game".

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    The buildings and deaths were due mostly to fire. Fire is not allowed as a weapon. This was a flouting of the Prophet's command, therefore a flouting of the Qur'an's orders to obey Muhammad, therefore, the 9/11 attackers were apostates.


    The "prophet" according to the sahih hadith ordered the burning of the palm trees of the banu nadir ie HE USED FIRE as a WEAPON OF WAR to undermine and destroy his enemies.

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    See? Anyone can do anything, it depends on the person, get it now?


    Even if you were right about the use of weapons that carry the risk of people being burned your sleight of hand "conclusion" does NOT logically follow and displays your dishonesty. MUSLIMS cannot do ANYTHING. "Muslims" who reject the punishment for adultery as a barbaric anachronism have NO TEXTUAL GROUNDS for doing so, no more than they have textual grounds for "interpreting" "Pray" as "grate cheese", or drinking alcohol, or openly rejecting Islam's core supremacist doctrines and still calling themselves "Muslims"

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    You WANT to be a bigot, 9/11 terrorists want to kill, suicide bombers are angry/depressed or both. You are a bigot.


    Of course they are angry. They are angry because Islam teaches them to be angry with a non-Muslim world the very existence of which is a living, breathing, miltarily deadly refutation of their cherished beliefs.

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    True believer = one who obeys the Prophet's command not to kill with fire, or women and children unless they are a direct threat, like female soldiers for example.


    AND engages in wars of conquest until "fitnah is no more and religion is all for Allah", And loots and pillages, AND rapes female prisoners of war, AND enslaves captives AND chops off hands and feet etc etc etc.

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    But for me, the 9/11 attackers are terrorists no matter their beliefs, and everyone in the buildings a victim, no matter their beliefs.


    And that is surely why you left Islam. Or at least I take it you left Islam - you wrote Prophet rather than "prophet". Old Muslim habits die hard eh?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #543 - November 17, 2011, 04:23 PM

    Quote from: posthuman
    What the fudge? You do know 3 out of the 4 main schools of thought require military jihad a necessity ONCE attacked by others first. And all are in agreement that orders can only be issued by the State.


    Please provide the relevent corroboration. Thanks.

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    It's why most Muslims are against it, dumbass.


    Verrry interesting: "MOST Muslims are (allegedly) against it because the 3 schools of Islamic law are (allegedly) against it. Therefore "most Muslims" are well acquainted with and subscribe to the rulings of the four Islamic schools. Therefore "most Muslims" agree with those schools on the treatment of NON-Muslims in an Islamic state.

    Is the CORRECT? I would REALLY like an answer to that please.

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    Because it's NOT jihad.


    Define "jihad"?

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    Isn't obvious enough that a civilization could not endure this long if that were it's code of ethics? Get a grip on reality.


    Well "civilization" is not what comes foremost to my mind when I think of the "Islamic world". Should it? And if so why?

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    If you spent ten years, with Qur'an and hadeeth, memorizing everything, go to a mosque, and join a prayer you'll look like a retard, assuming you don't already.


    If I did any or all of that I would be as brain damaged as you clearly are.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #544 - November 17, 2011, 04:27 PM

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    The "prophet" according to the sahih hadith ordered the burning of the palm trees of the banu nadir ie HE USED FIRE as a WEAPON OF WAR to undermine and destroy his enemies.


    The US military use chemical weapons. When their soldiers take aspirin for a headache, making them better, therefore making them fight better.

    BAN CHEMICAL WEAPONS!


    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #545 - November 17, 2011, 04:32 PM

    Quote from: posthuman
    The State doesn't decide it, the wife/husband does, they bring the charges. Sometimes divorce is enough


    According to what source?

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    Not to forget of course, corruption! Bribery is an option too.


    It might be an "option" but I am not aware that it can be justified by the basic Islamic texts. Can it?

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    The State doesn't go out looking for adulterers, dumbass.


    What state doesn't? Saudi Arabia? The "Islamic" Republic of Afghanistan?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #546 - November 17, 2011, 04:35 PM

    The US military use chemical weapons. When their soldiers take aspirin for a headache, making them better, therefore making them fight better.

    BAN CHEMICAL WEAPONS!


    Your "argument" is that the hadith outlaw the use of fire as a weapon of war because it carries the risk of people getting burned and therefore implicitly outlaws modern warfare. What's this last piece of shit from you got to do with it?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #547 - November 17, 2011, 04:36 PM

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    And that is surely why you left Islam. Or at least I take it you left Islam - you wrote Prophet rather than "prophet". Old Muslim habits die hard eh?


    I'm going to use Prophet (pbuh) just to annoy you more now.

    I didn't leave Islam because of 9/11, I'm not an imbecile. You're once again ASSUMING that this is what Islam is, and that I somehow had to accept THAT or leave. You are a tool of epic proportions if you think anything along those lines.

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #548 - November 17, 2011, 04:38 PM

    Your "argument" is that the hadith outlaw the use of fire as a weapon of war because it carries the risk of people getting burned and therefore implicitly outlaws modern warfare. What's this last piece of shit from you got to do with it?


    It doesn't outlaw or allow modern warfare, I have the unique ability which evades you, of imagining HOW something can be justified if given the motive. If I wanted to outlaw carpet bombing as a Muslim,  I COULD justify it, and you COULD do the opposite. By using literalism. Hence, meaingless.

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #549 - November 17, 2011, 04:41 PM

    Did you know the Ottomans for a short period banned the printing press for religious reasons?

    Do you know why you're thinking "what the hell?"

    Because you're dumb and you don't know it.


    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #550 - November 17, 2011, 04:43 PM

    Quote from: posthuman
    I'm going to use Prophet (pbuh) just to annoy you more now.


    Please do. I think it appropriate.

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    I didn't leave Islam because of 9/11, I'm not an imbecile. You're once again ASSUMING that this is what Islam is, and that I somehow had to accept THAT or leave.


    So Islam is NOT about killing the kafirs "wherever found" until they are either all killed, converted or subjugated as jizya-paying second-class citizens of a sharia state?

    looks like we've got a die-hard Islam apologist here folks!

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #551 - November 17, 2011, 04:45 PM

    Can you go to Afghanistan and kill Taliban? Or would that be murder? Both here, and in Afghanistan.

    You can't get your head around something so simple like this, it's no wonder you're so annoyed, you are unable to think.

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #552 - November 17, 2011, 04:49 PM

    Quote from: posthuman
    It doesn't outlaw or allow modern warfare,


    I thought a core doctrine of Muslim legalists whose judgements you refer to in support of your "arguments" was "if it ain't forbidden it's permitted".

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    I have the unique ability which evades you, of imagining HOW something can be justified if given the motive.


    The "motive" of the 9-11 hijackers was to get a first class pass into paradise in order to rape houris for eternity as a reward for their murderous antics as promised by Allah.

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    If I wanted to outlaw carpet bombing as a Muslim,  I COULD justify it, and you COULD do the opposite. By using literalism. Hence, meaingless.


    Could you justify "outlawing" killing apostates?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #553 - November 17, 2011, 04:50 PM

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    According to what source?


    According to what sources? I just assumed that the police don't go around checking beds, and asking for ID and marriage certificates, I'm assuming they have actual problems like thefts and robberies or disorder to worry about. I mean, SORRY for not having evidence that this is NOT the case in Islam. That massive resources that would fucking bankrupt an empire are not used to ceck the beds of civilians on a daily basis perhaps.

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #554 - November 17, 2011, 04:55 PM

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    According to what sources? I just assumed that the police don't go around checking beds, and asking for ID and marriage certificates, I'm assuming they have actual problems like thefts and robberies or disorder to worry about. I mean, SORRY for not having evidence that this is NOT the case in Islam. That massive resources that would fucking bankrupt an empire are not used to ceck the beds of civilians on a daily basis perhaps.


    It is necessary for you to back up your claims with appropriate Islamic sources if we are discussing Islam's rulings on a certain matter.

    Anyway, must go. I'll be back:


    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #555 - November 17, 2011, 05:06 PM

    Could you justify "outlawing" killing apostates?


    Yes, it's wrong, that's why it's outlawed. Huh?

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #556 - November 17, 2011, 05:21 PM

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    It might be an "option" but I am not aware that it can be justified by the basic Islamic texts. Can it?


    Why does it have to be justified by Islamic texts? I'm not defending Islam, I'm defending Muslims. Every one of them has a choice, in everything. Holding two contradictory beliefs? Welcome to humankind! Where it's ok to steal, and be outraged when it happens to you.

    Hope you enjoy your visit from another planet. Afro

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    Is the CORRECT? I would REALLY like an answer to that please.


    No. The 3 schools of thought are against it, because invading people, is being a dickhead. The Muslims are against it, because attacking people, is being a dickhead. They happen to agree, I should make clear that I wasn't making causation argument, but a correlating one.

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    Define "jihad"?


    Don't ask me, I avoid struggling at all costs.


    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #557 - November 17, 2011, 05:26 PM

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    What state doesn't? Saudi Arabia? The "Islamic" Republic of Afghanistan?


    Are you seriously implying that any time in human history the state had an adultery squad? WHAT FUCKING world are you living in?

    You need help, I'm serious you're blindness is leading you into parody of yourself. Or perhaps I'm doing that to you.

    All you have to do is acknowledge that words are nothing compared to genes. That's how we're coded.

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #558 - November 17, 2011, 05:56 PM

    Muslims calling this real Islam, or your calling something else real Islam, are both wrong. What is real, is the person writing it. They are real, their beliefs are real. Real Islam is only something Muslims and anti-Muslims believe in. Both are wrong. I'm an ex-Muslim, and fit neither category. The fault of the below article is that the author thinks his views come from the words, they don't. This is something a non-dickhead practising Muslim will use to justify why he's not a dickhead, the dickheads will go to scholars that are dickheads. It really is nothing more simpler than that.

    Does Islam Call for Ongoing War against Non-Muslims?

    Some Orientalists as well as some radical interpreters of Islam, assert that Islām condones an ongoing combative Jihād, that it means a continual war upon the non-Muslims until they repent and accept Islam or else pay the polltax. However the majority of Muslims scholars reject this view, citing as evidence:

    وَإِنْ أَحَدٌ مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ اسْتَجَارَكَ فَأَجِرْهُ حَتَّى يَسْمَعَ كَلاَمَ اللّهِ ثُمَّ أَبْلِغْهُ مَأْمَنَهُ ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لاَّ يَعْلَمُونَ

    …and if anyone of the polytheists seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.

    The Imāms argued from this that as long as the condition that they are submissive and willing to live peacefully among the believers our divine obligation is to treat them peacefully, despite their denial of Islam. The succeeding verse:

    فَمَا اسْتَقَامُواْ لَكُمْ فَاسْتَقِيمُواْ لَهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُتَّقِينَ

    So long as they are true to you, stand you true to them. Verily! Allah loved those who fear Allah.

    This verse instructs the Muslims to observe treaty obligations with meticulous care, and not to break them unless the other side breaks them first.

    Based on the clear arguments of the scholars from Qur’ān and hadith, the majority concluded that physical fighting is not a permanent condition against unbelievers, but only when treaties are broken or aggression has been made against Muslim territory (dār al-Islām) by unbelievers.

    On the other hand, Educating non-Muslims about Islam is a continuous Jihād, per the agreed-upon, mass-transmitted hadith:

    عن ابي هريرة، عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال‏:‏ ‏"‏امرت ان اقاتل الناس حتى يشهدوا ان لا اله الا الله...

    The Messenger of Allah said, “I have been ordered to fight the people until they declare that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His Messenger, establish prayers, and pay poor-due...”

    In his book al-Jihād fīl-Islām, Dr. Sa'īd Ramaļān Būţi explains this hadith in detail based on the understanding of the majority of jurists, showing that linguistically the word “fight” here and in many other places does not refer to combat, rather to struggle, including in its scope da'wah, preaching, exhortation and establishment of the state apparatus whereby Islamic preaching is protected. It does not mean forcing anyone to become Muslim at the point of a sword, and numerous examples can be cited from the life history of the Prophet showing he never forced conversion, nor did his Successors.

    Dr. Būţi explains that the linguistic scholars of hadith showed that the word uqātil أقاتل used by the Prophet in fact means “fight” and not aqtul أقتل “kill”. In Arabic, this word is used in terms of defending against an attacker or an oppressor, it is not used to mean attack or assail.

    In light of this, Dr. Būţī shows that this hadith connotes:

    I have been ordered by Allah to fulfill the task of calling people [peacefully] to believe that God is One and to defend any aggression against this divine task, even though this defense requires fighting aggressors or enemies.

    Dr. Būţī explains that this hadith is reminiscent of a saying by the Prophet on the occasion of the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah:

    وإن هم أبوا فوالذي نفسي بيده لأقاتلنهم على أمري هذا حتى تنفرد ‏ ‏سالفتي ‏ ‏ولينفذن الله أمره

    where he told his mediator, Badil ibn Warqa, “But if they do not accept this truce, by Allah in whose Hands my life is, I will fight with them, defending my Cause till I get killed.”

    By these words, Badil ibn Warqa was tasked with inviting the Quraysh to peace, and simultaneously, warning of the ongoing war which had already exhausted them. Dr. Būţī remarks:

    The Prophet’s words “I will fight with them defending my Cause,” in this context certainly means that he, while inclining to peace with the enemy, would react to their combative aggression in the same way, if they had insisted on their aggression.

    Note also that in the years after the Treaty was signed, it was the Quraysh who violated the treaty. Near the end of the seventh year after migration, the Quraysh along with the allied Banī Bakr tribe, attacked the Banī Khuza'ah tribe, who were allies of the Muslims. The Banī Khuza'ah appealed to the Prophet for help and protection.

    The Banī Khuza'ah sent a delegation to the Prophet requesting his support. Despite this provocation and clear violation of the treaty, the Prophet avoided acting in haste to renew hostilities. Instead he sent a letter to the Quraysh demanding payment of blood money for those killed, and a disbandment of their alliance with the Banī Bakr. Otherwise, the Prophet said, the treaty would be declared null and void.

    Quraysh then sent an envoy to Medina to announce that they considered the Treaty of Hudaybīyyah null and void. However they immediately regretted this step—and therefore the leader of Quraysh Abū Sufyān, himself traveled to Madīnah to renew the contract. Despite having been the greatest enemy of the Muslims, and despite the Quraysh already being in violation of the pact they had solemnly entered into, no hand was laid on this Qurayshi chief—someone who infamous for his persecution and harm to Muslims in Makkah. He was even permitted to enter the Prophet’s mosque and announce his desire to reinstate the treaty.

    From this, one can argue that if the state of unbelief were sufficient pretext for war, then the Prophet would have been warranted in seizing Abū Sufyān and initiating hostilities against the Quraysh then and there. However, on the contrary, Abū Sufyān came and went from Madīnah freely and only after some time were the hostilities renewed based on the Makkans aggressive violation of the pact.
    Allah says:

    ...وَقَاتِلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ كَآفَّةً كَمَا يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ كَآفَّةً وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ

    ...and fight the mushrikūn, [polytheists Pagans] all together as they fight you all together. But know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.

    Here we understand “fight the unbelievers collectively as they fight you collectively” means “treat them in the same way as they treat you.” Commenting on this, Dr. Būţī says, “You should deal with the unbelievers kindly and equitably, unless they are rampant and out to destroy us and our faith. Hence the motive for [combative] Jihād becomes self-defense.”
    Finally Allah says:

    فَإِنِ اعْتَزَلُوكُمْ فَلَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ وَأَلْقَوْاْ إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَمَ فَمَا جَعَلَ اللّهُ لَكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ سَبِيلاً

    So, if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace, Allah alloweth you no way against them.

    This verse is referring to the people who were not among those people involved in fighting the Muslims and they stayed away from the battle between the two groups and this is what Islām calls for. We see here an explicit statement from Allah, that it is not permitted to fight with those who are not engaged in belligerency, despite their being non-believers in Islam.

    http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/21-jihad-classical-islamic-perspective.html?start=11

    http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/21-jihad-classical-islamic-perspective.html?start=9

    Read pages 9 and 11.

    Too soon? Huh?

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #559 - November 18, 2011, 03:10 AM

    DEBATE OVER

    I am bored of this thread. Don't reply to me, I have compulsive pwnage disorder.

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  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #560 - November 18, 2011, 06:16 AM

    Quote from: posthuman
    DEBATE OVER

    I am bored of this thread. Don't reply to me, I have compulsive pwnage disorder.


    While you post something debatable it is certainly NOT over. Nobody asked to to stick your oar in the first place.

    Why does it have to be justified by Islamic texts? I'm not defending Islam,


    You've been doing a good impression OF someone defending Islam!

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    I'm defending Muslims.


    From whom?

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    Every one of them has a choice, in everything.


    According to modern concepts of human rights but NOT according to their religious texts which tell them to unquestioningly obey Allah. Furthermore in a country like the UK, if not much of the "Muslim World" they have a choice NOT to belong to Islam. Yet at the end of the day they CHOOSE to continue belonging to this nasty cult and even seek to defend it, propagate it and wherever possible subjugate the public space to its norms.

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    No. The 3 schools of thought are against it,


    Again, please provide corroboration for your assertion.

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  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #561 - November 18, 2011, 06:30 AM

    Muslims calling this real Islam, or your calling something else real Islam, are both wrong. What is real, is the person writing it. They are real, their beliefs are real. Real Islam is only something Muslims and anti-Muslims believe in.


    So do I understand you right that  Muslims believe in something called "Real Islam"?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #562 - November 18, 2011, 06:36 AM

    Quote from: post human
    Are you seriously implying that any time in human history the state had an adultery squad? WHAT FUCKING world are you living in?


    What "State" are you talking about? Historically and up to the present sharia states have enforced the sharia rulings on adultery, just as they have enforced sharia rulings on apostasy and "insulting" the prophet. Saudi Arabia has a "morality police".


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    All you have to do is acknowledge that words are nothing compared to genes. That's how we're coded.


    Human beings have a great innate capacity for egotism, cruelty and violence. Islam encourages those genetic based tendencies with "divine" sanction.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #563 - November 18, 2011, 12:41 PM

    BORED

     beatdeadhorse

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    Again, please provide corroboration for your assertion.


    The Shaf'ee school is the only one that describes obligations for offensive jihad once a year beyond the borders of Muslim lands, as the best form of defence. The rest do not have such stipulations.

    Rest of your post is just butthurt nonsense. king

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #564 - November 18, 2011, 01:04 PM

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    So do I understand you right that  Muslims believe in something called "Real Islam"?


    Some of them do.

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  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #565 - November 18, 2011, 01:08 PM

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    According to modern concepts of human rights but NOT according to their religious texts which tell them to unquestioningly obey Allah. Furthermore in a country like the UK, if not much of the "Muslim World" they have a choice NOT to belong to Islam. Yet at the end of the day they CHOOSE to continue belonging to this nasty cult and even seek to defend it, propagate it and wherever possible subjugate the public space to its norms.


    Why can't people be many different things if they want? If someone wants to be a law abiding Muslim, like the majority of them are, then, then it's none of your business what someone calls themselves.

    I'm a Jew, and I'm a Buddhist. I believe I will be reincarnated as Moses and by Zeus I will kick ass!


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  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #566 - November 18, 2011, 01:10 PM

    I thought you were bored. "Some"? Roughly how many? 1? 10? 1.5 billion?

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  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #567 - November 18, 2011, 01:13 PM

    86568

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  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #568 - November 18, 2011, 01:14 PM

    Quote from: posthuman
    Why can't people be many different things if they want? None of your business what someone calls themselves.


    Perhaps you'd like to join me OVER HERE

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: The heart of the EDL army is online, not on the streets
     Reply #569 - November 19, 2011, 04:20 PM

    DH if everyone here were to agree wholeheartedly with everything you discussed, asked about, feared etc., and had exactly the same views as you what then?  What's the next step?

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

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