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 Topic: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?

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  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #30 - August 24, 2012, 09:44 PM

    you don't see??

    you don't  see what??    and where you don't see ??


    I don't see that the man sexually touches the woman Senera video.

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  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #31 - August 24, 2012, 09:48 PM

    I don't see that the man sexually touches the woman Senera video.


    uuuuhhh .. i see nothing ..i know noting .. i didn't even wake up

     ....if i say anything, it will go against me ......

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  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #32 - August 24, 2012, 09:59 PM

    Hi lynna

    I hate to be the one to point this out to you  Cry ... pay close attention to the man's crotch

    You will see that the man is FULLY AROUSED sexually ..... then you will see how he INTENTIONALLY bumps/rubs his crotch into her backside.


    The man is clearly displaying sexual intentions.


    I know that girl feels it. she might think it is a gun  grin12 or she might even like it. i don't know about that for sure

    What i do know for sure that man is a pervert.





  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #33 - August 24, 2012, 10:36 PM

    I can’t believe people here missed that. It’s blatantly obvious!
  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #34 - August 24, 2012, 10:42 PM

    I hate to be the one to point this out to you  Cry ... pay close attention to the man's crotch

    You will see that the man is FULLY AROUSED sexually ..... then you will see how he INTENTIONALLY bumps/rubs his crotch into her backside.

    The man is clearly displaying sexual intentions.

    I know that girl feels it. she might think it is a gun  grin12 or she might even like it. i don't know about that for sure

    What i do know for sure that man is a pervert.




    She thinks it's a gun?!?! Get real. Cheesy

    Okay. Then if this is consensual public sexual touching between two really desperate perverts. What they are wearing wont help either of them. The topic this should be under is not" if the hijab protects" but perhaps "what level of sexual activity is acceptable in public",. Nothing well stop someone who wants something desperately enough even if only one wants it let alone if both.






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  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #35 - August 25, 2012, 12:14 AM

    I can’t believe people here missed that. It’s blatantly obvious!


    I'm not in any way endorsing this sort of thing, but I'd have to say when it's that small it's not hard to miss it.  Cheesy

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  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #36 - August 25, 2012, 04:30 AM

    Okay I drove into town to watch this video on my laptop because apparently the full effect was not possible enlarged on my galaxynote. Yeh the man is more visible on a larger screen. Which I agreed to when it was pointed out that the woman was in agreement with this activity.There is noway that a man could do that on the sly and not be noticed.

    I was wrong in my frist assessment because I was thinking the point was the woman was unwilling in this activity because she wanted to be protected and modest in her conduct. Also the small screen didn't help but I thought it was the angle.

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  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #37 - August 25, 2012, 08:30 AM

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7514567.stm
    Sexual harassment of women in Egypt is on the increase and observing Islamic dress code is no deterrent, according to a survey published this week.

  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #38 - August 25, 2012, 08:36 AM

    Someone posted a thread a while ago about sexual harassment in Brussels where women are increasingly having to wear loose clothing in order to feel safe going out, however regardless of what they wear they still get harassed.

    It doesn't matter what you wear, it doesn't make you any less of a woman. You get harassed for simply being a woman. A hijab isn't going to hide that.
  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #39 - August 25, 2012, 01:56 PM

    She’s most likely not in agreement, or else he’d be permanently pressed up against her.
  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #40 - August 25, 2012, 02:44 PM

    Having visited/lived in an Islamic country I can say no, it doesn't. My female relatives and I still got harassed in an abaya (black jilbab/gown) and a hijab. I know niqabis who have been harassed in marketplaces because of how 'seductive' their eyes were. I think when you live in a country where the majority of women cover up the game changes.

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  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #41 - August 25, 2012, 03:04 PM

    Okay I drove into town to watch this video on my laptop because apparently the full effect was not possible enlarged on my galaxynote. Yeh the man is more visible on a larger screen. Which I agreed to when it was pointed out that the woman was in agreement with this activity.There is noway that a man could do that on the sly and not be noticed.

    I was wrong in my frist assessment because I was thinking the point was the woman was unwilling in this activity because she wanted to be protected and modest in her conduct. Also the small screen didn't help but I thought it was the angle.

    Nah.. That is not the problem..

    problem is those big glasses covering your eyes Lynna  Tongue

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  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #42 - August 26, 2012, 04:17 AM

    Having a hijab on is a social thing to steer men, away. No different than seeing a woman with a ring on her finger. Or a married Hindu woman with a red dot on her forehead, etc.. It's not the item itself, just the custom associated with it.

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  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #43 - August 26, 2012, 01:41 PM

    She’s most likely not in agreement, or else he’d be permanently pressed up against her.


    If the woman is not in agreement and she can feels him touch her why doesn't she do something about it? Such as turn and glare at him for the very least or move away from him. Or as I asked some posts back "where is her escort?".

     I also have lived in a Muslim culture and had to have an escort in public not because we were Muslim but because of my stepfather's employment. If I felt uncomfortable with the approach and or conversation  of someone let alone touch it only took a look to my escort to get him to intervene. So as I ask before,"If this woman is not in agreeement with being touched where is her escort?".

    I have not doubt that sexual harassment occurs and that the man in the video is aroused. But if he actually touched the woman what she does next seems kind of odd to then claim she was offended by the touch.






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  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #44 - August 26, 2012, 02:53 PM

    .....................touched the woman what she does next seems kind of odd to then claim she was offended by the touch.


    what she does next seems kind of odd......  odd.....odd...


    what did she do Lynna? what did you see you Lynna?

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  • Re: Does Hijab really protect Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #45 - August 26, 2012, 11:35 PM

    what she does next seems kind of odd......  odd.....odd...

    what did she do Lynna? what did you see you Lynna?


    If we are to consider this video for it's evidence of sexual harassment it might be nice to see the woman. (1) look offended by the situation or (2) be in fear of her personal safety and unable to act.

    Since this action is taking place in public is it likely the woman is with someone who can intervene in her behalf.
    Since this woman seems mobile can she have moved away in an abrupt and determined manner from man?
    Could she have turned and given a cold glaring stare?
    Could she have said "Why are you touching me?".
    Could not have she done something if she felt a touch she did not approve of to indicate her disapproval of what was happening.
    There are other people around couldn't she change the place she was standing if she felt under attack?
    Could she not of said something to one of her companions to alert them to her danger?

    Perhaps the video ends to soon and we don't see these things happening. However from what we see happening there seem to me more questions then answers in the case of this man and this woman.

    So there is more then one possibility here such as:

    1)  Yes she was sexual harassed but the video does not provide enough evidence to prove it. (See the questions the video leaves unanswered)

    2) The man was indeed sexually aroused but does not actually touch the woman to the extant that she feels it. So he is pervert but he didn't actual harass that woman by touching her.

    3)  The woman is in agreement to being touch in this manner by this man. She shows her agreement by not with drawing from him or call attention to what he is doing.
    This possibility doesn't necessarily support this out come
    She’s most likely not in agreement, or else he’d be permanently pressed up against her.

    That the two them partake in this activity doesn't mean they are completely willing to draw a great deal or attention to themselves such as being "permanently pressed" together would. They after all are presumably living in an Islamic culture.


    I'm sure there may even be other ideas about what is going on becauze there are other things we don't even know about these two people like their relationship to each other. For all we know they might a husband and wife who can't wait to get home.

    The thing is if a woman is being sexual harassed why on earth would she stand there and take it if she is in a public place surrounded by other people when all she needs to do is move away?

    I'm not talking about all cases all the time because sexual harassment happens peverts are all over the place but this video is not conclusive.

    I think it's important for people to be realistic about what is and is not sexual harassment because unfounded charges do more to damage then good. Call things what they are. Make sure the evidence supports your case. It is a different charge to be a pervert then to sexually harass someone. Not necessarily any more or less unacceptable depending on the exact action.

    The man's a pervert. Even if it turned out that he is married to that woman and could not wait to get home he still needs to have more control of himself in public.

    Women need to learn and understand, no matter what culture they live in, how to stand up for themselves, use all resources available to them and not be treated abusively.











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  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #46 - August 27, 2012, 03:53 AM

    @thread
    no it doesn't protect you from Voyeurism.
  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #47 - September 19, 2012, 11:59 AM

    That was the question that started my doubts about Islam. Hijab/abaya/burqa doesn't protect us at all.
  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #48 - September 19, 2012, 12:03 PM

    I think it's even bad for the hair -__- When you take a shower you have to dry it well before putting on the hijab. Plus, whenever I wear my hijab I have to wear hair clips. Sometimes you feel like leaving your hair without anything. Hair clips can be so annoying!
  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #49 - September 20, 2012, 04:09 AM

    Bad for the hair and annonying would certainly be things to consider Yume69. Bad for your feet and back is one the arguments I use for high heel shoes being oppressive for women.

    I suppose however the issue would be the woman's choice in the matter and how she viewed that choice and acted on it that would be the issue.

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  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #50 - October 04, 2012, 08:24 PM

    http://nervana1 .org/2012/10/04/sexual-harassment-the-myth-of-the-dress-code-theory/

    Take out the space before the. org

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  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #51 - October 04, 2012, 08:31 PM

  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #52 - October 04, 2012, 08:36 PM

    del

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  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #53 - October 04, 2012, 09:56 PM

    Personally I didnt usually check out hijabi girls. To me it was a sort of sign or indication that they didnt want to be looked at or approached (hit on) so I respected that. To be honest though there were just a handful that I saw who had stunning faces and I couldnt help but admire their beauty but it wasnt in a pervy sort of "I wish I could shag you" way.

    With that said some guys are just depraved and would probably hit on a donkey if it wore a skirt.
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  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #54 - October 11, 2012, 01:37 AM

    Parents should teach their boys to keep their gaze down and respect women overall. That way even if they see an ankle or a wrist they won't feel "temptation" and "sin" from the 7 devils around them.  Roll Eyes

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  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #55 - October 11, 2012, 02:27 AM

    ^ Welcome to the forum Sarah.

    Why don't you introduce yourself in the Introductions thread so the CEMB community can get to know you better.

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?board=2.0

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  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #56 - October 11, 2012, 03:14 AM

    Thank you! I did that short intro on the ex muslim list  Tongue

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  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #57 - October 11, 2012, 02:55 PM

    I don't think it stops people 'oggling' at all. One of my lecturers is a hijabi and I stare at her for the entire lecture, whilst imagining all the things I want to do to her. Probably wouldn't hit on a hijabi though.

     

    Yeah most female teachers/profs are fantasized about hijaab or no hijaab. It's completely natural.


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  • Re: Does Hijab really prevent Women from Men ogling at them or approaching them?
     Reply #58 - October 11, 2012, 02:56 PM

    Thank you! I did that short intro on the ex muslim list  Tongue

     

    No i mean it is the norm here to start a new thread about urself in the introduction section.   Smiley

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