Skip navigation
Sidebar -

Advanced search options →

Welcome

Welcome to CEMB forum.
Please login or register. Did you miss your activation email?

Donations

Help keep the Forum going!
Click on Kitty to donate:

Kitty is lost

Recent Posts


اضواء على الطريق ....... ...
by akay
Yesterday at 01:32 PM

Lights on the way
by akay
Yesterday at 09:01 AM

Qur'anic studies today
by zeca
Yesterday at 08:53 AM

New Britain
November 29, 2024, 08:17 AM

Gaza assault
by zeca
November 27, 2024, 07:13 PM

What music are you listen...
by zeca
November 24, 2024, 06:05 PM

Do humans have needed kno...
November 22, 2024, 06:45 AM

Marcion and the introduct...
by zeca
November 19, 2024, 11:36 PM

Dutch elections
by zeca
November 15, 2024, 10:11 PM

Random Islamic History Po...
by zeca
November 15, 2024, 08:46 PM

AMRIKAAA Land of Free .....
November 07, 2024, 09:56 AM

The origins of Judaism
by zeca
November 02, 2024, 12:56 PM

Theme Changer

 Topic: So yeah..

 (Read 4541 times)
  • 1« Previous thread | Next thread »
  • So yeah..
     OP - November 24, 2011, 08:51 AM

    So here I am. Almost thirty and only now coming to terms with what it was and what it still is.

    I have read stories about parents physically abusing their children, some horrifying things, some of them on this very forum, but it has been very difficult for me to admit to myself that I have been victim of it. It comes with the territory, I suppose. When you have been raised in a culture that deifies parents, and convinces you from the get-go that they have every power over you, you rationalize everything. And then sometimes you start shedding those beliefs you took for granted, little by little, but there are still things you hang on to.

    Like my beliefs that my father isn’t an abusive asshole. That he was just overwhelmed and that I’m sure he didn’t beat me anymore than he had to, and much less than others, right?

    Well, I suppose he didn’t. I am still trying to figure this one out. I do love my father. Much less than I used to, a few years ago, mind you. I used to become tearful whenever I tried to imagine his or my mother’s death. But now I find that sadness is receding. Because I have stopped idealizing them. Because I am now so different from what I was, so different from them, they wouldn’t recognize me if they peered inside my head. Then again, I might be absolutely shattered when they pass away, who knows.

    But back to the abuse. My father was raised by two abusive parents, in a violent environment, because that was the norm in the fifties, I imagine. He would tell us about how his father would beat the hell out of him for this and that “mischief” he committed. The way he talks about it is rather matter-of-factual. Sometimes it seems like he reveres his father BECAUSE of this. Though I might be mistaken.

    My mother, on the other hand, was brought up in a slightly different milieu. Her father was a very stern figure, but I don’t believe he ever raised his hand against his daughters. Maybe he did occasionally beat his sons, but that was rare. My uncles never hit their children, so there must be a pattern there. My grandmother might have hit her a few times, but hey, 1950’s. And she had so many children and grandchildren to care for that I’m sure that the chances of abuse were greatly diminished.

    I was beaten as a child. Not severely, and not that often, because whatever I did, surely I didn’t do it on purpose. It was their way of showing me right from wrong. A broken dish, dirty clothes, a fight with my sister, too much noise for the neighbours; those would gain me slaps on my legs, behind, arms. It got way worse in my pre-teen years, and all through my teenage years. I am a pigheaded person, and I guess somewhat aggressive in my pigheadedness. That never sat well with my father because however stubborn I am, he is a hundred times worse. And he is insecure, always seeing slights where none were meant. So really, most of the beating I took was for talking back. Sometimes, though, it was for being too noisy and not respecting him enough to give him silence. Other times it was for bad grades at school. Sometimes it was for stealing (stealing food or candy, by the way, not money or jewellery). There were also instances of public slaps. Those were by far the worst. Bad enough that I had to be humiliated, it had to be in front of other people.

    Because this is what hurts the most. Not the blows, the humiliation. The anger of not being able to hit back. The helplessness, since he is my father. He can do it. Recently a memory that I had buried deep down inside came bubbling back to the surface and it was very difficult for me, so much that I started crying in the middle of a car ride, for seemingly no reason, and I had to hide my tears from my family. It was my birthday (probably my 9th) and we were going to throw a little party in our living room for a handful of classmates. I was so excited I insisted on decorating the room with balloons and garlands that I made myself. We were doing that, my sister and I, during lunch-break, and we started arguing over what should go where. Apparently it was a loud argument, because it woke my father from his nap, and he ran into the living room and started beating me, and tearing down the decorations. I was heart-broken, and was in tears all the way back to school, and well into the first lesson of the afternoon. When the teacher asked why I was crying, a classmate said “he father beat her”. And what did the teacher do? Shrugged and said “well then, it’s none of my business”, and went on with class. I sometimes struggle with understanding why such a behaviour is the norm, why a teacher wouldn’t even think about doing something, and then I remember that teachers in public school are very violent themselves. I don’t know about nowadays, but back in the 90’s (and even early 00’s, according to my younger sisters), corporal punishment was all the rage. I suppose that “helped” me rationalize my parents’ behaviour. The birthday party did happen after class, by the way. My mother redecorated the room, and after my friends left, I was so happy I forgot everything and went to apologize to my father for being such a bad girl. I suppose I got the usual “Don’t do it again” speech. I always get it.

    I might want to point out that the beating wasn’t limited to hands. My father used to have a stick. Those things really sting, don’t they. It was a very thin one, but boy did it make me howl. Later he switched to something somewhat more effective. The belt. I think that was the worse. Though I’m not sure if the belting was actually worse than the short period of time right after the “mischief” when my father went to get his belt. That was terrifying, and that was when my mother, seeing that she couldn’t beg him out of it (she never could, anyway) would come to me and ask me to be quiet so that the neighbours won’t hear. That was pointless, though, because even if I was quiet, my father never was. He has a strong voice, my father. But yeah, the belt leaves rather ugly and painful marks on your body.

    He didn’t always use “instruments”. Half of the time it was good old punching and slapping. I remember the appalling instances where he would ask me to remove my glasses so he wouldn’t break them if he hit me in the face (because if he did, well, he was the one paying for them). For some reason the beating mostly happened at night. And then I had all leisure to cry myself to sleep, either from rage, humiliation or self-pity. Usually after my mother’s visit to my room, cursing me for causing trouble. Because it is all my fault. Then in the morning, sadness would give way to shame, for some reason. And my mother would tell me not to try to talk to my father just then, because he was still too angry. So usually, a day later, sometimes more, I would go to him and hug him and say “samahni, baba”, and he would go on a long speech about how he is my father, how I should respect him, blablablah, and “don’t do it again.”

    The saddest part is, I still remember the last time he hit me, and it wasn’t even that long ago. Must have been sometimes in 2009. He hit me twice on the arm and once on the back, with his hand (I got a mark) because, at dinner, I was in a bad mood, pissed off at him for some reason I can’t remember, and upon sensing that (he hates it when people are mad at him) he started trying to belittle me by bossing me around, giving me order after order, not letting me eat in peace. I complied, but with very little grace, and he flew into a rage because I wasn’t giving him due respect, and left the table and slammed the door. He always does that when angry, and then he comes back because his anger always goes crescendo. So he came back and hit me. I didn’t talk to him for a week, and then when my mother had done so much begging and that the atmosphere at home was rather crappy, I gave in and performed the usual asking for forgiveness thing. He then told me “Why do you make me beat you up at your age?”. Because it’s my fault, naturally. I was 26.

    As for my mother, she provided her share of violence, though it was never to my father’s scale. She would do it out of exasperation and frustration, not sheer anger. And she didn’t hurt as much, except when she bit me. She often would bite me on the shoulder or the back, forcefully, for a few seconds. It was hard, in my later teenage years, not to hit her back when she did that, but I managed never to do anything more than pushing her away once or twice. She stopped much earlier than my father, too.

    What worries me is, will I be able not to emulate them? This isn’t an unfounded worry because I remember that when my sisters were in their pre-teens, I would hit them quite often. When they annoyed me or refused to obey my orders, I would beat them until they cried, and then I would have won. I stopped when they got old enough to fight back. I am horribly ashamed of myself for that, and I’d like to think that I will not repeat the pattern with my own children, but how do I know that? Children can be quite infuriating, can’t they? How can I keep them from turning into spoiled brats without laying hands on them?

    Now of course, my parents downplay their abuse of us (I wasn’t the only victim, though my middle sister was spared the worst of it because she was always my father’s favourite). I remember a few months ago, children’s upbringing came up in a conversation and my mother made a snide remark about how “in the west”, they won’t allow anyone to “chastise” unruly children, and now some people want to apply those rules here, as if they were something evil, like drugs or prostitution. She also mocked the effects that physical abuse has on children. I mean they only did it once every other month, right? And later she would ask me “why do you have self-esteem issues? You are so pretty now.” How do I make her understand that she and my father hurt me way more than they know? Than I even knew? Do I even want to do that?

    I used to be the kind of person who would be “My parents hit me sometimes, and I turned out just fine. People who complain about it are just a bunch of crybabies”. But I guess I was just lying to myself, because I didn’t exactly turn out “just fine”. I’m a rather aggressive person, prone to fits of rage. My self-esteem is pretty damaged, and that can’t just be justified by the fact that I was butt-ugly as a teenager, can it? Also, surely my severe phobia of physical pain didn’t just appear by itself? I don’t want to blame ALL of my issues on my parents because that would be dishonest. But still. There is something very wrong with people’s acceptance of the fact that adults can physically harm helpless, defenceless children, just because they can, just because they have the “authority”, just because they had a bad day, just because of an imagine “slight” made to them by a headstrong 14 year-old…

    Just wanted to write this down clearly for future reference. Thanks for reading Smiley

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #1 - November 24, 2011, 09:28 AM

    What worries me is, will I be able not to emulate them? This isn’t an unfounded worry because I remember that when my sisters were in their pre-teens, I would hit them quite often. When they annoyed me or refused to obey my orders, I would beat them until they cried, and then I would have won. I stopped when they got old enough to fight back. I am horribly ashamed of myself for that, and I’d like to think that I will not repeat the pattern with my own children, but how do I know that? Children can be quite infuriating, can’t they? How can I keep them from turning into spoiled brats without laying hands on them?


    I can totally relate to what you're saying in this paragraph. My parents were not abusive, but my elder brother was. I hated my life and I felt more safe whenever I went to my high school than at home.

    Well abuse is not the reason, but I just don't ever want any kids because of many other reasons. They are annoying and who knows how they will turn out when they grow up.
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #2 - November 24, 2011, 09:52 AM

    My father used to have a stick. Those things really sting, don’t they. It was a very thin one, but boy did it make me howl. Later he switched to something somewhat more effective. The belt. I think that was the worse. Though I’m not sure if the belting was actually worse than the short period of time right after the “mischief” when my father went to get his belt. That was terrifying, and that was when my mother, seeing that she couldn’t beg him out of it (she never could, anyway) would come to me and ask me to be quiet so that the neighbours won’t hear. That was pointless, though, because even if I was quiet, my father never was. He has a strong voice, my father. But yeah, the belt leaves rather ugly and painful marks on your body.


    I can totally relate.  I remember how much I would cry as he went to go get it.  Even worse was when he would make us get it ourselves.  "go get the sumta", or the stick.

    And yes, they want you to be quiet.  It's so strange, almost as if they are ashamed...but they are ashamed that they are doing the beating and thats why they don't want neighbours to hear?  or ashamed that they have the sort of kids that need to beaten?

    I remember one time my dad beat me infront of his friends.  I made him proud and didn't move, didn't cry or scream, but stayed still and let him beat me.  When his friends left he told me he had been so proud of me.   Roll Eyes

    Quote


    What worries me is, will I be able not to emulate them? This isn’t an unfounded worry because I remember that when my sisters were in their pre-teens, I would hit them quite often. When they annoyed me or refused to obey my orders, I would beat them until they cried, and then I would have won. I stopped when they got old enough to fight back. I am horribly ashamed of myself for that, and I’d like to think that I will not repeat the pattern with my own children, but how do I know that? Children can be quite infuriating, can’t they? How can I keep them from turning into spoiled brats without laying hands on them?


    1 - you are recognising there could be a potential right now, before you had kids.  I did not recognise it until after I had kids.

    2 - this means you can re-educate yourself now.

    Parenting doesn't have to involve abuse at all in order to prevent the whole spolied brat thing.

    There are core things you must do as a parent, that many parents fail on...so you hear about these people who don't beat their kids and their kids turn out so rude and bad, but the parent doesn't recognise the other ways in which they failed.

    So the key here is to learn from now.  Begin to read ahead.  There are really good workable methods that do not involve beating.

    You have to be consistent, firm, you have to be emotionally available and supportive.  You have to be loving in the way your child needs.  Some kids hate showy affection, but you learn to tailor your parenting to support their personality.

    I had kids before I learned all of this. 

    I have failed to be the parent I needed to be.  because I didn't deal with all of this stuff.

    So you can.  Do it before you have children, so that you are ready for it when it comes.  By seeing you have that potential you will be less likely to sink back into the way you were raised.

    I am a lot better than my parents.  I am better than my siblings with kids too, they refuse to recognise our parents within themselves so they still beat their kids.

    You just have to make an active effort to be different.  hugs


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #3 - November 24, 2011, 10:07 AM

    I am better than my siblings with kids too, they refuse to recognise our parents within themselves so they still beat their kids.


    Kudos to you for recognizing it and learning from your parents' mistakes! It scares me thinking of any of my younger siblings ever having kids.  015
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #4 - November 24, 2011, 10:44 AM

    I can totally relate.  I remember how much I would cry as he went to go get it.  Even worse was when he would make us get it ourselves.  "go get the sumta", or the stick.

    And yes, they want you to be quiet.  It's so strange, almost as if they are ashamed...but they are ashamed that they are doing the beating and thats why they don't want neighbours to hear?  or ashamed that they have the sort of kids that need to beaten?


    Crazy, isn't it? I don't think my father gave a fuck who heard what. It was my mother, and she would worry just for the sake of us being labeled as... I don't know, not quiet people? She makes a big deal out of discretion, and how it's the mark of good education.

    Quote
    1 - you are recognising there could be a potential right now, before you had kids.  I did not recognise it until after I had kids.

    2 - this means you can re-educate yourself now.

    Parenting doesn't have to involve abuse at all in order to prevent the whole spolied brat thing.

    There are core things you must do as a parent, that many parents fail on...so you hear about these people who don't beat their kids and their kids turn out so rude and bad, but the parent doesn't recognise the other ways in which they failed.

    So the key here is to learn from now.  Begin to read ahead.  There are really good workable methods that do not involve beating.

    You have to be consistent, firm, you have to be emotionally available and supportive.  You have to be loving in the way your child needs.  Some kids hate showy affection, but you learn to tailor your parenting to support their personality.

    I had kids before I learned all of this. 

    I have failed to be the parent I needed to be.  because I didn't deal with all of this stuff.

    So you can.  Do it before you have children, so that you are ready for it when it comes.  By seeing you have that potential you will be less likely to sink back into the way you were raised.

    I am a lot better than my parents.  I am better than my siblings with kids too, they refuse to recognise our parents within themselves so they still beat their kids.

    You just have to make an active effort to be different.  hugs



    Thank you for this. You are a brave and admirable woman for acknowledging this, and your advice is invaluable.  far away hug

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #5 - November 24, 2011, 12:08 PM

    Hi, let me start to express my deep admiration for the couragious step you took evaluating your past as an abused child. In fact this is the biggest and most difficult step in the direction of your healing. Now you clearly see the risk for you to do the same to your future children. You are right to worry about that. You may need professional help for yourself, because your parents didn't show you how to raise children withour beating them up, so you will have to learn that from other sources. Try to marry a girl who was brought up without violence; she might be able to correct you.
    I wish you a very good life as a parent and husband and if prayers would help I would do that for you!

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #6 - November 24, 2011, 12:15 PM

    Thanks. I am a girl, by the way. And my fiancé is probably the calmest, most non-violent person I know, so I guess that will help. But yeah, I might need to seek professional help at some point.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #7 - November 24, 2011, 02:23 PM

     oops Never mind, even more important because you will do the majority of bringing up...

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #8 - November 24, 2011, 04:33 PM

    First of all, Naerys, big hugs Big hug

    I can't add much more, will just say that Berbs and others here have given great advice. I think the fact that you are already thinking about this is a great sign for you and your future kids. Nobody gets a manual for parenthood... it's a learning experience for everyone throughout, before, during and after raising kids. Parents are human too, and can make mistakes... some make bigger mistakes than others, though, and that is dependent upon so many factors, from cultural norms to social and economic conditions to the parent's personal education. I think you will be fine if you keep your eyes and ears and mind open to learning more each step of the way, both before and after you have kids.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #9 - November 24, 2011, 05:08 PM

    I used to have the worst temper, probably because I picked it up from my father. I would scream myself hoarse over the smallest thing, I would hit my kid siblings because they wouldn't do what I told them, I'd start a brawl over a small argument at school. But I grew out of it, maybe because my parents mellowed after I made sure they learnt I wouldn't hesitate to hit them back if they touched me again, or maybe because I realised I was turning into my father, or maybe just because this was around the time I became most religious and apathetic. Anyway, now I have the patience of a monk, I never hit my siblings anymore (Cue Chris Rock's "Niggas want credit for not doing things they're not supposed to do"), even when one of them destroyed my new PSP T_T. I sometimes feel anger building up, but then I berate myself for being weak-willed and it quickly dies down again. If I can stop being that monster I was, then anyone can. Tongue

    My mosque teacher did the glasses thing too, until I also socked him back and got kicked out of there for it. Best day of my life. dance
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #10 - November 24, 2011, 05:25 PM

    Naerys,  far away hug Really sorry to hear that has happened to you, but I think you're doing excellent by evaluating/reflecting on yourself, if you've identified the potential (as others have said) then that's the first and major step in tackling the fear you have and working on methods to raise your children as best you can. I think you'll be a cool mother  Cool from the impression I get.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #11 - November 24, 2011, 05:52 PM

    I found that confronting them gave me closure to now be at the stage where thinking about it doesn't upset me anymore. I told them how it hurt me, what they did, and how I had feelings etc. Maybe you could try a direct view, (if you haven't) tell them straight what they did was wrong, it's not right to hurt someone especially a child who knows no better and makes simple 'mistakes' and they should've been loving parents etc, whatever you feel you need to get off your chest, to let out the frustration.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #12 - November 24, 2011, 08:30 PM

     Cry <3

    Not much else to say.

    By the way, Naija sends you this: far away hug and says he'll add his thoughts when he's off self-ban!

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #13 - November 24, 2011, 08:43 PM

     far away hug

    Not much to add on top of the great advice already given. I will stress however that it is very good that you have identified potential issues with yourself before-hand and are willing to improve yourself. That's better then 90% of the fraking planet.
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #14 - November 25, 2011, 01:35 AM

    Naerys  Cry

    Like everyone else already said, I think you'll turn out alright. I have some personal things to say that I can share with you later.

    But how you were as a child with your siblings does not necessarily mean you will be like that now, or a few years down the line if you have kids. We change a lot, constantly, learn and grow, and learn of our parent's mistakes (when we eventually like you said stop idealizing them/realizing that they are not perfect and always right after all), and I have hope for you. hugs

    Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in.
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #15 - November 25, 2011, 02:01 AM

    naerys, i'm sorry. i definitely didn't have it as bad as you, but i had my share of beatings. last year my father apologized for everything he ever did and we had the longest hug and cried on each other's shoulders. the only time i had seen him cry before that was at a funeral. and i think that was the first time i ever heard him say "i love you". not that i didn't know he did, because i know he's a caring guy deep down. but my parents were quite moderate despite being religious and observing, so i guess it's different for you.

    if you're worried about being abusive, go see a counselor. i remember i used to get really angry at my brother and lose control. thankfully i always threw him in his room when i did rather than physically abuse him.

    i also find that a good way of releasing anger is doing a physical activity. sometimes when i have a lot in me i blast some music and dance/jump around like in a mosh pit.
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #16 - November 26, 2011, 11:32 AM

    Big hugs to you  far away hug

    Being honest with yourself and admitting that you have issues, and that your parents have issues, instead of idealising them means you are doing a lot better than the vast majority of people who never contemplate these things and just continue the cycle.

    Because you are confronting your past, there is no reason to excessively worry that this will somehow make you a bad parent. It won't be easy obviously, and parenting is hard work, but I think you can do it because you are making the effort to change, learn, improve and grow as a person.

    As long as you are surrounded by your family and culture, it will be difficult to improve significantly because such negativity and acceptance of violence is the norm. But once you are able to join your fiance and make friends with people who were not brought up in such conditions, it will become easier to focus on handling your issues in a more positive manner, without letting anger and violence get the best of you.

    Professional therapy will also help and hopefully you will see improvements in your self-esteem and other issues. I'm sure you'll have a great future with a lot of opportunities in a new country, and you'll be a great mum too  Smiley

  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #17 - November 27, 2011, 12:31 PM

    Thanks a lot, all of you, for your support and advice.  far away hug far away hug far away hug

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #18 - November 27, 2011, 12:36 PM

    I found that confronting them gave me closure to now be at the stage where thinking about it doesn't upset me anymore. I told them how it hurt me, what they did, and how I had feelings etc. Maybe you could try a direct view, (if you haven't) tell them straight what they did was wrong, it's not right to hurt someone especially a child who knows no better and makes simple 'mistakes' and they should've been loving parents etc, whatever you feel you need to get off your chest, to let out the frustration.


    I'm not really sure about that, Stardust. I tried this with my eldest sister, who is now a mother. I wanted to have her opinion on physical punishment when raising her son and she said that while she wouldn't give him a proper beating, she would hit him once or twice, lightly, if he proved to be difficult. When I tried to tell that it was wrong, and brought up our past (at some point she had it much worse than I did because she used to be bullied for money at school and stole from our parents, very small sums, and later it developed into mild cleptomania, and my father was pretty merciless with her when he noticed the money missing, until they found out about the bullying, but seriously, they could have tried to find out about it much earlier) and she immediately turned into derisive mode "Oh so now that you're with a westerner you've adopted his point of you of "wah wah don't beat children, let them become spoiled and unsufferable, it's for their own good". That seriously put me off discussing anything related to that with anyone from my family.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #19 - November 27, 2011, 12:38 PM

    By the way, Naija sends you this: far away hug and says he'll add his thoughts when he's off self-ban!


    Thank him for me  hugs

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #20 - November 27, 2011, 12:43 PM

    naerys, i'm sorry. i definitely didn't have it as bad as you, but i had my share of beatings. last year my father apologized for everything he ever did and we had the longest hug and cried on each other's shoulders. the only time i had seen him cry before that was at a funeral. and i think that was the first time i ever heard him say "i love you". not that i didn't know he did, because i know he's a caring guy deep down. but my parents were quite moderate despite being religious and observing, so i guess it's different for you.

    if you're worried about being abusive, go see a counselor. i remember i used to get really angry at my brother and lose control. thankfully i always threw him in his room when i did rather than physically abuse him.

    i also find that a good way of releasing anger is doing a physical activity. sometimes when i have a lot in me i blast some music and dance/jump around like in a mosh pit.


    You father sounds like a pretty sweet man, beating aside. I mean seriously, I don't know any man who would cry and apologize to his child like that. My father is actually pretty affectionate, he's big on hugging us and kissing us and telling us he is proud of us. And then there's that other side of him. But he will NEVER admit that he was wrong in "punishing" us, because he doesn't know any better. I used to accept that side of him but I don't accept it anymore.

    I would like to talk to a therapist about that (and so much else) but I'm hesistant because I don't trust local therapists/psychologists. I still live in a muslim society and if I am to open up, I would let it all out, and I don't trust their ethics and how much they value doctor/patient privilege. Hell, I was talking to a recently widowed coworker of mine who was talking about his sessions with a psychologist and how the latter would talk to him about religion instead, and how that supposedly helped him. Fuck this shit.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #21 - November 27, 2011, 12:45 PM

    As long as you are surrounded by your family and culture, it will be difficult to improve significantly because such negativity and acceptance of violence is the norm. But once you are able to join your fiance and make friends with people who were not brought up in such conditions, it will become easier to focus on handling your issues in a more positive manner, without letting anger and violence get the best of you.


    Yeah, hopefully in not too long.

    I'll start by doing some reading on the subject of parenting, and we'll see.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #22 - November 27, 2011, 12:53 PM

    Yup, I didn't think it would be easy getting access to unbiased, professional therapy there. More likely once you move away.

    If only parenting came with a fool-proof manual eh?  Smiley

  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #23 - November 27, 2011, 04:14 PM

    ^^ I agree, I don't think it is likely that you can get therapy there that would be anything but biased against you.  This is one of those things that can only be dealt once you move away.  Then you can see someone and work on all of this and finally move on.

    You'll be fine Naerys.  You'll make a great mum and you won't be alone.  hugs  

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #24 - November 27, 2011, 06:20 PM

    Sorry to hear about these ordeals of your past. I sincerely hope you are able to find a way to move past the pain that your parents inflicted on you.  far away hug

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #25 - December 03, 2011, 12:58 PM

    You father sounds like a pretty sweet man, beating aside. I mean seriously, I don't know any man who would cry and apologize to his child like that. My father is actually pretty affectionate, he's big on hugging us and kissing us and telling us he is proud of us. And then there's that other side of him. But he will NEVER admit that he was wrong in "punishing" us, because he doesn't know any better. I used to accept that side of him but I don't accept it anymore.


    I don't know that it's always possible to have that conversation the way Abood's did. I tried it with my mother, and I'm pretty sure she'll go to her deathbed convinced that she never did anything to harm me. I was pretty pissed off the first time I tried, but eventually came to realize how difficult it  really is to have your child tell you that you ruined their life. It takes a lot to admit you fucked up for so long, and most people will never be able to do it.
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #26 - December 07, 2011, 02:19 PM

    Yeah, I agree. I don't think my mother has the mental strength necessary to bear such guilt in admitting to herself that she wronged us so much. She'd rather be in denial.

    As for my father, he will never admit that simply because he's completely convinced of his right to do it, and he knows better than us, right? I also suspect that he wouldn't want to blame his own father for beating him. He has that mentality that I observed in many people who were physically abused, and in myself too, that kind of defiance against people's judgement, "I was beaten and I turned out fine, so screw you". No, you didn't turn out fine, you're a maniac.

    Oh well.

    Thanks again for the kind words, people  far away hug

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #27 - December 07, 2011, 08:13 PM

     far away hug

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: So yeah..
     Reply #28 - December 08, 2011, 09:11 AM

     far away hug

    Yeah, we have a lot of work ahead of us, I think.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • 1« Previous thread | Next thread »