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OP - November 25, 2011, 09:05 AM

Hello everyone,

My name is Friedrich and I currently live in Germany. I am a Muslim and so are my parents and so were my grandparents I am 24 years old now, and I am studying Masters in Computer Sciences.

I am not here to invite you (back) to Islam. I am only here to learn (despite of the discomfort that I intend to give you in debates )

There was a time in my life when I was inclined towards atheism. Back then I joined the Arab atheists forum. I learned about evolution, philosophy, and plenty of stuff about Islam and other religions. I doubted the existence of god this time of my life was like hell to me. I was so busy thinking about this topic that my average dropped a full mark! But eventually I grew out of this phase. There was no particular reason for that. It just happened!

I tend to love Islam and I never saw in it what others say they did. I am not saying that you are lying, but I come from a society where Islam is just a faith nothing more. I hope that I could understand that phase of my life and get to see why some of you became atheists and how did you overcome the fear of Allah, society and the feeling of being bad* and became atheists despite what I believe is good evidence! And I hope my presence here would be welcomed

and before you do it, have a parrot

* it happened to me I don't know if you felt the same at first
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Re: Hi, I am fredrich
Reply #1 - November 25, 2011, 09:14 AM

Welcome
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Reply #2 - November 25, 2011, 09:25 AM

Hi Fredrich and welcome to the forum ,I hope that you will dinf question to all your answers here.

And you cant really give a parrot bc you don't have one yet , here this one is for you,

Welcome .......
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Reply #3 - November 25, 2011, 11:03 AM

I know what you mean about being without god being awful as I had a similar experience. One day I looked in the mirror and saw a middle-aged fat bald man. I hated this brief exposure to reality so I decided to pretend reality was different and that I was a youthful athletic Graeco/Roman wrestler with a full head of hair. Never been happier!

Welcome! I look forward to discussing with you :-)

I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
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Reply #4 - November 25, 2011, 11:47 AM

Hallo und willkommen! You say you're a Muslim, but according to very many Muslims you are just a Kafir... happy discussing!

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Reply #5 - November 25, 2011, 02:22 PM

Achtung! Willkommen, Fredrich!

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Reply #6 - November 25, 2011, 03:03 PM

Welcome Fredrich, just do whatever makes you happy :3 Most of us left religion because religion did nothing for us or has caused us great pain (I'm ex-Christian btw) If you feel fulfilled by your beliefs go ahead. Just don't let your beliefs cloud your heart and hate non-believers, or become over-obsessive Good luck with computer sciences, sounds intense.

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Reply #7 - November 25, 2011, 04:46 PM

Welcome

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #8 - November 25, 2011, 06:03 PM

Welcome fredrich! Believe it or not, we have muslims that are
regular posters here. As well as christians, hindus, and of course
a wide array of those who are everything from deists to hardcore
atheists, and EVERYTHING in between lol. A few trolls too! LMAO

I hope you enjoy your stay, here. And don't get too offended with
some members who are still very sensitive and angry about Islam.

Everyone has their own ways of coping and getting through difficult
journeys.

so no parrots from me... rather, I offer you a welcome jinn! LOL

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Reply #9 - November 25, 2011, 06:17 PM

Hallo Alle und vielen Dank für euer Kommen

Quote from: kingofclubs33 on November 25, 2011, 09:25 AM
Hi Fredrich and welcome to the forum ,I hope that you will dinf question to all your answers here.

thanks and I hope so as well

Quote from: TheRationalizer on November 25, 2011, 11:03 AM
I know what you mean about being without god being awful as I had a similar experience. One day I looked in the mirror and saw a middle-aged fat bald man. I hated this brief exposure to reality so I decided to pretend reality was different and that I was a youthful athletic Graeco/Roman wrestler with a full head of hair. Never been happier!

Welcome! I look forward to discussing with you :-)

I look forward to discussing with you as well. I have watched some of your videos and I have to say that they are great!

Quote from: Hallakuf on November 25, 2011, 11:47 AM
Hallo und willkommen! You say you're a Muslim, but according to very many Muslims you are just a Kafir... happy discussing!

what kind of a kafir would waste so much time on praying five times a day and fasting ramadan as well as depriving himself from alcohol and more importantly, women hehe

Quote from: Al-Ma`arri on November 25, 2011, 02:22 PM
Achtung! Willkommen, Fredrich!

Danke sehr mein freund. Al ma'arri was a great poet!

Quote from: Sakura02 on November 25, 2011, 03:03 PM
Welcome Fredrich, just do whatever makes you happy :3 Most of us left religion because religion did nothing for us or has caused us great pain (I'm ex-Christian btw) If you feel fulfilled by your beliefs go ahead. Just don't let your beliefs cloud your heart and hate non-believers, or become over-obsessive Good luck with computer sciences, sounds intense.

I understand what you are saying (from experience) and I don't like to pose my opinion on others. It seams that I am going to enjoy staying here
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Reply #10 - November 25, 2011, 06:18 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on November 25, 2011, 11:03 AM
I know what you mean about being without god being awful as I had a similar experience. One day I looked in the mirror and saw a middle-aged fat bald man. I hated this brief exposure to reality so I decided to pretend reality was different and that I was a youthful athletic Graeco/Roman wrestler with a full head of hair. Never been happier!

Welcome! I look forward to discussing with you :-)

I have some... erm... bad news for you, Rash. It has something to do with middle-aged fat bald men.
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Reply #11 - November 25, 2011, 06:20 PM

Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on November 25, 2011, 06:03 PM
I hope you enjoy your stay, here. And don't get too offended with
some members who are still very sensitive and angry about Islam.
Everyone has their own ways of coping and getting through difficult
journeys.
so no parrots from me... rather, I offer you a welcome jinn! LOL

thanks and btw I don't get offended easily. Unless if someone speaks about me mother and thanks for the jinn
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Reply #12 - November 25, 2011, 06:24 PM

Welcome, Fredrich

I respect Muslims who simply say religion is a matter of faith and don't try to claim it is a matter of irrefutable or undeniable evidence - ergo if you disbelieve you are a nasty human being deserving of punishment.

I lost my faith when I started to face the reality of what it was I was supposed to believe. As ppl will tell you - Hell was one of the main things.

Frankly I still have difficulty getting completely over things like fear of Hell. After 48 years it doesn't just vanish overnight - but it does gradually get better.

Life is no bed of roses leaving Islam - but I am far more comfortable within myself.
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Reply #13 - November 26, 2011, 02:49 AM

I rarely get to have talk with a Muslim with out being told that I am evil and I am going to suffer:p

Would love to have a talk with you sometime. Though I don't particulary talk about religion , I am more interested in the existence of such deity.

Also welcome mate

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Reply #14 - November 26, 2011, 10:36 AM

Welcome! Hope you find the discussions here enlightening and enjoyable. Religion and faith are personal beliefs and everyone is entitled to them. It's when people think everyone should be like them, is where the problems begin.
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Reply #15 - November 26, 2011, 04:34 PM

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Welcome! Hope you find the discussions here enlightening and enjoyable. Religion and faith are personal beliefs and everyone is entitled to them. It's when people think everyone should be like them, is where the problems begin.

I thank you my friend

Quote from: Hassan on November 25, 2011, 06:24 PM
Welcome, Fredrich

I respect Muslims who simply say religion is a matter of faith and don't try to claim it is a matter of irrefutable or undeniable evidence - ergo if you disbelieve you are a nasty human being deserving of punishment.

Life is no bed of roses leaving Islam - but I am far more comfortable within myself.

thank you. I hate it when people ask me whether I prayed today or not and i do pray. I can see how much would that annoy a person who doesn't believe in god in the first place

Quote from: Skeptic on November 26, 2011, 02:49 AM
I rarely get to have talk with a Muslim with out being told that I am evil and I am going to suffer:p

Would love to have a talk with you sometime. Though I don't particulary talk about religion , I am more interested in the existence of such deity.

Also welcome mate

Thank you, I am looking forward to that
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Reply #16 - November 30, 2011, 05:32 PM

Quote from: Hassan on November 25, 2011, 06:18 PM
I have some... erm... bad news for you, Rash. It has something to do with middle-aged fat bald men.

In this case I suppose it is valid to take offence when someone refutes your belief that you are young and athletic by telling you that you are short, fat, and bald

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Reply #17 - December 01, 2011, 07:43 AM

Welcome to the forum fredrich, have a rabbit.

Hope you enjoy getting smacked down though, JK.

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Reply #18 - December 01, 2011, 12:46 PM

welcome

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Reply #19 - December 02, 2011, 05:31 AM

Welcome. My brother is a 26 yo laid-back Muslim living in Krautland-- perhaps you know each other.

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Reply #20 - December 04, 2011, 07:35 PM

Quote from: asbdsp on December 01, 2011, 07:43 AM
Welcome to the forum fredrich, have a rabbit.

Quote from: peaceheretic on December 01, 2011, 12:46 PM
welcome

Thank you all

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Welcome. My brother is a 26 yo laid-back Muslim living in Krautland-- perhaps you know each other. Smiley

what is Krautland? Do you mean Deutschland ? have a parrot
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Reply #21 - December 04, 2011, 08:06 PM

Yeah Deutschland, the land of the Sauerkraut eaters.

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Reply #22 - December 04, 2011, 08:17 PM

Hi Mr Bean

I used to think you're funny.

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Reply #23 - December 04, 2011, 09:26 PM

Quote from: fredrich on November 25, 2011, 09:05 AM
Hello everyone,

My name is Friedrich and I currently live in Germany. I am a Muslim and so are my parents and so were my grandparents I am 24 years old now, and I am studying Masters in Computer Sciences.

Hello fredrich.. welcome to CEMB., so your name is Friedrich and your nick Friedrich.. You sound as you come from very rich Turkey fredrich., correct me if I am wrong. SO you say..

Quote from: fredrich on November 28, 2011, 07:06 PM
thanks for the parrot
Actually I have bin to arab atheist forums before full of ex-Muslims. Any way a religion that can't stand criticism isn't worth my time

That is a great point., So of all the religions you know and you have been through which one doesn't allow criticisms & why??

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Reply #24 - December 04, 2011, 09:44 PM

Quote from: Paloma on December 04, 2011, 08:06 PM
Yeah Deutschland, the land of the Sauerkraut eaters.

Germans... got to love them

Quote from: stardust on December 04, 2011, 08:17 PM
Hi Mr Bean

I used to think you're funny.

You must have bin really young back then. Thanks for the parrot.
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Reply #25 - December 04, 2011, 09:47 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on December 04, 2011, 09:26 PM
Hello fredrich.. welcome to CEMB., so your name is Friedrich and your nick Friedrich.. You sound as you come from very rich Turkey fredrich., correct me if I am wrong. SO you say..

No my name is not friedrich, that's just my nick name (in real life too) and no I am not Turkish

nor rich sadly

Quote from: yeezevee on December 04, 2011, 09:26 PM
That is a great point., So of all the religions you know and you have been through which one doesn't allow criticisms & why??
with best wishes
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I said a religion that doesn't stand criticism as in can't survive and not as in tolerate. Islam allows criticism. It just doesn't allow apostasy. And just like every other religion, with time it will
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Reply #26 - December 04, 2011, 09:55 PM

Quote from: fredrich on December 04, 2011, 09:47 PM
... Islam allows criticism.

Really I didn't know that., Last time I saw that happened in a town .. the guy was beaten up badly..

So what kind of criticism did you do against Islam??

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It just doesn't allow apostasy. And just like every other religion, with time it will

No..no Islam allows apostasy

any ways I do believe your words , So How much time do you think Islam needs to allow that??

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Reply #27 - December 04, 2011, 09:58 PM

Islam may allow criticism, but lots and lots of Muslims won't allow criticism on Islam...

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Reply #28 - December 04, 2011, 10:13 PM

I think that the Arab revolution would lead to Islamist governments... eventually the people are going to revolt against these due to their inevitable failure and after that second revolution it might. so give it 100 more years.

And one more thing, if one billion Muslims decided to beat those who criticize their religion it doesn't make it Islams fault. It is Islams fault only when the text says that in a very clear way
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Reply #29 - December 04, 2011, 10:19 PM

Quote from: fredrich on December 04, 2011, 10:13 PM
I think that the Arab revolution would lead to Islamist governments... eventually the people are going to revolt against these due to their inevitable failure and after that second revolution it might. so give it 100 more years.

More or less my prediction as well.

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