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  • A new level of creepy
     OP - December 07, 2011, 04:19 PM

    From: http://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/n1bqg/an_investment_bankers_cover_letter_for_a_second/

    Backstory—friend couldn’t make it to philharmonic at last minute so I went alone, met this guy, went on ONE, HORRIFIC date. Then got this.

    ------ Message From: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:19:39 -0500 To: Subject: Hi Lauren

    Hi Lauren,
    I’m disappointed in you. I’m disappointed that I haven’t gotten a response to my voicemail and text messages.
    FYI, I suggest that you keep in mind that emails sound more impersonal, harsher, and are easier to misinterpret than in-person or phone communication. After all, people can't see someone's body language or tone of voice in an email. I'm not trying to be harsh, patronizing, or insulting in this email. I'm honest and direct by nature, and I'm going to be that way in this email. By the way, I did a google search, so that’s how I came across your email.
    I assume that you no longer want to go out with me. (If you do want to go out with me, then you should let me know.) I suggest that you make a sincere apology to me for giving me mixed signals. I feel led on by you.
    Things that happened during our date include, but are not limited to, the following:

    -You played with your hair a lot. A woman playing with her hair is a common sign of flirtation. You can even do a google search on it. When a woman plays with her hair, she is preening. I've never had a date where a woman played with her hair as much as you did. In addition, it didn't look like you were playing with your hair out of nervousness
    .
    -We had lots of eye contact during our date. On a per-minute basis, I've never had as much eye contact during a date as I did with you.

    -You said, "It was nice to meet you." at the end of our date. A woman could say this statement as a way to show that she isn't interested in seeing a man again or she could mean what she said--that it was nice to meet you. The statement, by itself, is inconclusive.

    -We had a nice conversation over dinner. I don't think I'm being delusional in saying this statement.
    In my opinion, leading someone on (i.e., giving mixed signals) is impolite and immature. It’s bad to do that.
    Normally, I would not be asking for information if a woman and I don't go out again after a first date. However, in our case, I'm curious because I think our date went well and that there is a lot of potential for a serious relationship. Of course, it's difficult to predict what would happen, but I think there is a lot of potential for a serious relationship developing between us one day (or least there was before your non-response to my voicemail and text messages).

    I think we should go out on a second date. In my opinion, our first date was good enough to lead to a second date.

    Why am I writing you? Well, hopefully, we will go out again. Even if we don't, I gain utility from expressing my thoughts to you. In addition, even if you don't want to go out again, I would like to get feedback as to why you wouldn't want to go again. Normally, I wouldn't ask a woman for this type of feedback after a first date, but this is an exception given I think we have a lot of potential.

    If you don't want to go again, then apparently you didn't think our first date was good enough to lead to a second date. Dating or a relationship is not a Hollywood movie. It’s good to keep that in mind. In general, I thought the date went well and was expecting that we would go out on a second date.

    If you're not interested in going out again, then I would have preferred if you hadn't given those mixed signals. I feel led on. We have a number of things in common. I’ll name a few things: First, we’ve both very intelligent. Second, we both like classical music so much that we go to classical music performances by ourselves. In fact, the number one interest that I would want to have in common with a woman with whom I’m in a relationship is a liking of classical music. I wouldn’t be seriously involved with a woman if she didn’t like classical music. You said that you're planning to go the NY Philharmonic more often in the future. As I said, I go to the NY Philharmonic often. You're very busy. It would be very convenient for you to date me because we have the same interests. We already go to classical music performances by ourselves. If we go to classical music performances together, it wouldn't take any significant additional time on your part. According to the internet, you’re 33 or 32, so, at least from my point of view, we’re a good match in terms of age. I could name more things that we have in common, but I’ll stop here. I don’t understand why you apparently don’t want to go out with me again. We have numerous things in common. I assume that you find me physically attractive. If you didn’t find me physically attractive, then it would have been irrational for you to go out with me in the first place. After all, our first date was not a blind date. You already knew what I looked like before our date. Perhaps, you’re unimpressed that I manage my family’s investments and my own investments. Perhaps, you don’t think I have a “real” job. Well, I’ve done very well as an investment manager. I’ve made my parents several millions of dollars. That’s real money. That’s not monopoly money. In my opinion, if I make real money, it’s a real job. Donald Trump’s children work for his company. Do they have “real” jobs? I think so. George Soros’s sons help manage their family investments. Do they have “real” jobs? I think so. In addition, I’m both a right-brain and left-brain man, given that I’m both an investment manager and a philosopher/writer. That’s a unique characteristic; most people aren’t like that. I’ve never been as disappointed and sad about having difficulty about getting a second date as I am with you. I've gone out with a lot of women in my life. (FYI, I'm not a serial dater. Sometimes, I've only gone out with a woman for one date.) People don’t grow on trees. I hope you appreciate the potential we have.

    Am I sensitive person? Sure, I am. I think it's better to be sensitive than to be insensitive. There are too many impolite, insensitive people in the world.

    I suggest that we continue to go out and see what happens. Needless to say, I find you less appealing now (given that you haven’t returned my messages) than I did at our first date. However, I would be willing to go out with you again. I’m open minded and flexible and am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I wish you would give me the benefit of the doubt too. If you don't want to go out again, in my opinion, you would be making a big mistake, perhaps one of the biggest mistakes in your life. If you don’t want to go out again, then you should have called to tell me so. Even sending a text message would have been better than nothing. In my opinion, not responding to my messages is impolite, immature, passive aggressive, and cowardly. I spent time, effort, and money meeting you for dinner. Getting back to me in response to my messages would have been a reasonable thing for you to do. In addition, you arrived about 30 minutes late for our date. I’m sure you wouldn’t like it if a man showed up thirty minutes late for a first date with you.

    If you're concerned that you will hurt my feelings by providing specific information about why you don't want to go with me again, well, my feeling are already hurt. I'm sad and disappointed about this situation. If you give information, at least I can understand the situation better. I might even learn something that is beneficial.
    If you don't want to go out again, that I request that you call me and make a sincere apology for leading me on (i.e., giving me mixed signals). In my opinion, you shouldn't act that way toward a man and then not go out with him again. It’s bad to play with your hair so much and make so much eye contact if you’re not interested in going out with me again. I have tried to write this email well, but it's not perfect. Again, I'm not trying to be harsh, insulting, patronizing, etc. I'm disappointed, sad, etc. I would like to talk to you on the phone. I hope you will call me back at xxx-xxx-xxxx> (if it’s inconvenient for you to talk on the phone when you read this email, you can let me know via email that you are willing to talk on the phone and I’ll call you). If you get my voicemail, you can a leave a message and I can call you back. Even if you don't want to go out again, I would appreciate it if you give me the courtesy of calling me and talking to me. Yes, you might say things that hurt me, but my feelings are already hurt. Sending me an email response (instead of talking on the phone) would better than no response at all, but I think it would be better to talk on the phone. Email communication has too much potential for misinterpretation, etc.
    Best, Mike

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  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #1 - December 07, 2011, 05:21 PM

    He's trying that stupid pick up artist shit on you.   Cheesy

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #2 - December 07, 2011, 05:27 PM

    fake.
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #3 - December 07, 2011, 08:31 PM

    I was going to say! That sounds so unreal like it’s deliberately trying to be ridiculous!
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #4 - December 07, 2011, 08:50 PM

    It's ridiculous but that doesn't imply that there aren't financially savvy men who really, really suck at romantic involvement, even to the point of literally chronicling the most minute conversations and little movements of the other person and attacking the other person for not having mutual feelings in a really uncomfortable, untactful way. I've heard stories, you guys. Crazies like this really do exist.  whistling2

    "I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want."
    Muhammad Ali
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #5 - December 07, 2011, 08:58 PM

    Hi Lauren

    Well I was really disappointed enough when you didn't reply to my texts and email, now you publish it on the internet?  This is very uncool of you.

    I just love you  Kiss    what's wrong with that, we are really made for each other  Kiss   Kiss

    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #6 - December 07, 2011, 09:11 PM

    It's ridiculous but that doesn't imply that there aren't financially savvy men who really, really suck at romantic involvement, even to the point of literally chronicling the most minute conversations and little movements of the other person and attacking the other person for not having mutual feelings in a really uncomfortable, untactful way. I've heard stories, you guys. Crazies like this really do exist.  whistling2

    of course there are crazy people out there, but this is a parody of itself. it's pointing out how ridiculous the social cues we use to identify attraction sound.
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #7 - December 07, 2011, 09:15 PM

    Sounds exactly like Logical_Mind.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #8 - December 07, 2011, 09:19 PM

    ^:D Cheesy Cheesy

    This is what happens  to those who follows internet dating advice or "how to get laid" Websites

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #9 - December 07, 2011, 09:39 PM

    Sounds exactly like Logical_Mind.


    I was thinking King Tut.  My memory is terrible, maybe they were the same person.  Grin



    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #10 - December 07, 2011, 09:57 PM

    I was thinking King Tut.  My memory is terrible, maybe they were the same person.  Grin



    Me and Logical Mind were not the same person.
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #11 - December 07, 2011, 09:58 PM

    Sounds exactly like Logical_Mind.


    Right on target.

    fuck you
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #12 - December 07, 2011, 09:59 PM

    I don't get it? Whats the issue here? Whats creepy about it? seems more upfront rather then creepy.
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #13 - December 07, 2011, 10:01 PM

    I rest my case.   cool2

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #14 - December 07, 2011, 10:03 PM

    I don't get it? Whats the issue here? Whats creepy about it? seems more upfront rather then creepy.


    Assuming it's real the normal response to a girl not replying to your phone calls or texts after a first date would be to assume she's not interested and move on, not google her email address then send her a very long email analyzing their every interaction.

    fuck you
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #15 - December 07, 2011, 10:06 PM

    but that's not assertive, Q!! where are your BALLS!?!?!
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #16 - December 07, 2011, 10:09 PM

    I rest my case.   cool2

    yes

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #17 - December 07, 2011, 10:10 PM

    I rest my case.   cool2


    Cheesy

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #18 - December 07, 2011, 10:11 PM

    From: http://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/n1bqg/an_investment_bankers_cover_letter_for_a_second/

    Backstory?friend couldn?t make it to philharmonic at last minute so I went alone, met this guy, went on ONE, HORRIFIC date. Then got this.

    <snip>

    Suggested response (via email):

    Dear Mike, I have carefully considered your previous email. You are seriously fucked up. Piss off. Kthnxbai.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #19 - December 07, 2011, 10:12 PM

    Assuming it's real the normal response to a girl not replying to your phone calls or texts after a first date would be to assume she's not interested and move on, not google her email address then send her a very long email analyzing their every interaction.


    To be honest, would it have no been more appropriate for her to tell him she was not interested, rather then being childish and ignoring him? If you don't make it clear how is he supposed to know?

    But yeah some of the wording is abit out there, but then he already know his chances were blown with her, but still unraveling her little plot psychologically is just pure win, and shows her she missed out on a smart and intelligent guy.  
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #20 - December 07, 2011, 10:13 PM

     Cheesy

    fuck you
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #21 - December 07, 2011, 10:20 PM

    Lauren,

    I understand if you're not my type, you don't need to tell me anything. Please, will you at least date my friend Colonel Q-Daffi then? He is smarter than me and likes classical music too. I would really like to see you two together and think you would make a good couple. Plus he has BALLS!  Afro
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #22 - December 07, 2011, 10:20 PM

    Tut: get a therapist. Really.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #23 - December 07, 2011, 10:23 PM

    Seriously man, I just read it once more and I honestly don't find anything wrong with it, someone expressing their feelings, so what the attention whore in this case is the women who posted this on the internet, to stratify her own egotistical needs. It someone how makes her important then all the other women, because other women would not have received such an email from an ex. That is just how I see it. That email was for her right, not for the internet for everyone to laugh at it in retrospect. When he was typing that he wasn't thinking she is going to put it on the internet he was acutally trying to connect with her on an emotional level a human level. To me this says more about us, and our propensity to find amusement out of others emotional suffering, because that somehow makes our shitty lives somewhat important.

    So in the spirit of total psychological disconnect, lets laugh at something even more funny:



    hahah that picture of that starving kid with flies on him is so fuckin funny! does that make you feel better those that make your live better? And this forum is supposed to be about fucking escaping from that type of ignorance.  sad.  
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #24 - December 07, 2011, 10:29 PM

    You are such a social retard.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #25 - December 07, 2011, 10:29 PM

    Tut: get a therapist. Really.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #26 - December 07, 2011, 10:38 PM

    You are such a social retard.


    Oh sorry I was unaware life was a popularity contest. And everyone had to conform to these stupid social norms. To the point of completely throwing your own principles out of the window, in case you come off as a 'social retard' - personally I'd rather be a 'social retard' then a superficial popularity clown.
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #27 - December 07, 2011, 10:45 PM

    of course there are crazy people out there, but this is a parody of itself. it's pointing out how ridiculous the social cues we use to identify attraction sound.

    I'll admit that the line of thought you're going with is one I've never considered but I'm not thrown off on the legitimacy of the letter just yet. The reaction is a little exaggerated but I don't think I'd consider it to be fake simply because of the context it's in. Plus, it isn't rare for people to show a little crazy after feeling rejected. See here: http://www.tressugar.com/Girlfriend-Emails-Boyfriend-While-Europe-Video-3934655

    As an aside, has anyone read the comments on that Reddit link? Friggin' hilarious.

    "I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want."
    Muhammad Ali
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #28 - December 07, 2011, 10:56 PM

    Oh sorry I was unaware life was a popularity contest. And everyone had to conform to these stupid social norms. To the point of completely throwing your own principles out of the window, in case you come off as a 'social retard' - personally I'd rather be a 'social retard' then a superficial popularity clown.

    Just because everyone loves me doesn't mean I have to make much of an effort for it to happen, nor does it mean I have that specific goal in mind when I post my thoughts. You, however, seem to painstakingly craft each post just for a reaction. Any reaction will do, as long as people are paying attention to you. I completely understand why you do it too, because it must be terrible being alone with yourself.

    You're like a jealous runt of a little brother. Not the favourite child, you're outshined by better specimens. No notable talent, achievement or promise, so you annoy and displease people to get the same amount of attention they get from just being themselves.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: A new level of creepy
     Reply #29 - December 07, 2011, 10:57 PM

    Grin Nailed.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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