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  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #30 - December 12, 2011, 12:23 AM
    Quote from: Abood on December 12, 2011, 12:20 AM
    i can be exposed to other ideas, but that doesn't erase the fact that i was exposed to what i was exposed to.


    It doesn't erase the exposure, but the exposure itself is reversible in the sense that its effects can be undone by exposure to other ideas. If you want to become a close-minded Islamist now, you can do that. If I want to have a functioning foreskin, I can't.
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #31 - December 12, 2011, 12:39 AM
    Quote from: harakaat on December 12, 2011, 12:23 AM
    It doesn't erase the exposure, but the exposure itself is reversible in the sense that its effects can be undone by exposure to other ideas. If you want to become a close-minded Islamist now, you can do that. If I want to have a functioning foreskin, I can't.

    no i can't, that's bullshit. we don't have control over our thoughts as much as we like to think we do. my thoughts have taken me to places i've never wanted to be at. no matter how much islamist propaganda you shove in my face i won't be able to accept it, even if i wanted to. because believe me there have been times i really really wanted to believe in something, but couldn't. i'm sure many of us have experienced that.
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #32 - December 12, 2011, 12:40 AM
    look, i don't wanna get into details and technicalities and ifs and whatever. my point is that our parents have made decisions for us that made us who we are. a lot of the times they're big decisions. the whole idea of autonomy is great and i highly support it, but it doesn't stretch as far as some people wish it to. sure sometimes our parents abuse their authority and do unjustified things, but male circumcision is not a big deal. on the larger scale of things there are more important causes to be rallying around. if i ever had a son i wouldn't want him to be circumcised, but it's not on my list of pertinent human rights abuses.
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #33 - December 12, 2011, 12:53 AM
    if anyone say something is bullshit without explaining why or having any evidence their posts shouldn't be taken seriously, nor replied to. Let's not stoop the discussion level to that of religionists
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #34 - December 12, 2011, 01:04 AM
    who are you, even?
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #35 - December 12, 2011, 02:04 AM
    do me a favour & slit your wrists.........I need gravy for my mash potatoes
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #36 - December 12, 2011, 02:13 AM
    Okay, those who want the closest thing they could get to a natural foreskin, they can support Foregen which is thinking of having a clinical trial for a method which involves regenerative medicine.
    "I measured the skies, now the shadows I measure,
    Sky-bound was the mind, earth-bound the body rests."
    [Kepler's epitaph]
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #37 - December 12, 2011, 02:45 AM
    This is not an acceptable comment.

    Quote from: serpentofeden on December 12, 2011, 02:04 AM
    do me a favour & slit your wrists.........I need gravy for my mash potatoes


    Informal warning, serpentofeden.  Next time you will get a smite.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #38 - December 12, 2011, 03:12 AM


    Quote
    RESULTS:

    There were no significant differences in sexual drive, erection, ejaculation, and ejaculation latency time between circumcised and uncircumcised men. Masturbatory pleasure decreased after circumcision in 48% of the respondents, while 8% reported increased pleasure. Masturbatory difficulty increased after circumcision in 63% of the respondents but was easier in 37%. About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while 20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision.

    CONCLUSION:

    There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17155977

    PS: Of course needless to say that this is a cohort study and need not accurate. But surely one should decide this after weighing pros and cons once he's an adult.


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  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #39 - December 12, 2011, 03:17 AM
    Ex-Muslims looking for a safe position on male circumcision?

    How about this one: I support chopping off the entire penis and testes of male infants. This will be an important part of the public health and social policy of whichever jurisdiction I'm elected in.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #40 - December 12, 2011, 03:19 AM
    Quote from: harakaat on December 11, 2011, 10:31 PM
    To you it might seem like a non-issue (and I don't think you're circumcised.) To some of us, it's very hurtful to think that the organ we hold dearest and most precious was mutilated for the sake of an ideology we despise.


    Speak for yourself, you neanderthal.  Cheesy
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #41 - December 12, 2011, 04:00 AM
    Quote from: crazyislam on December 12, 2011, 03:12 AM
    Masturbatory pleasure decreased after circumcision in 48% of the respondents


    If this is true then that's good. It increases productivity.  Afro
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #42 - December 12, 2011, 08:01 AM
    Quote from: Abood on December 11, 2011, 11:31 PM
    that's bullshit. read testimonies written by guys who got circumcised after they experienced sexual pleasure.



    I thought guys who got circumcised after sex did it because it was not sexual 'pleasure' for them because the foreskin is too tight/grafted on?

    So then they would have a medical reason for it.

    I do believe all forms of circumcision should be stopped until the child becomes an adult who can make the choice for himself. 

    Quote from: stardust on December 11, 2011, 09:30 PM
    OMG! That's horrible! How can do that to little babies and kids  finmad


    Thing is, had you never left Islam you would have circumcised your son when you had kids.  I know I did.  My first son is snipped, my second son isn't because I had left islam by them.

    I feel bad for going through with something based on tradition but I certainly didn't mean to cause him everlasting damage.  I was just conditioned to believe it was the better option, and had a lot of medical propaganda to back up my choice.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #43 - December 12, 2011, 08:02 AM
    Quote from: -Tmp- on December 12, 2011, 04:00 AM
    If this is true then that's good. It increases productivity.  Afro


    I doubt that.

    I don't masturbate all the time but I am far from productive in its place.   Cheesy
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #44 - December 12, 2011, 10:15 AM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on December 11, 2011, 10:36 PM
    I'm circumcised, I just don't give a fuck and don't see why anyone would. You can still enjoy sex, you can still pee, it doesn't look mutilated, and your quality of life is not affected one bit. Get over it.


    +10000000

    Im circumscised and my dick is fine and sensitive as well.
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #45 - December 12, 2011, 11:31 AM
    Quote from: Abood on December 12, 2011, 01:04 AM
    who are you, even?


    A dick, from reading his other posts on this forum, which is probably why this topic is so near and dear to his heart.

    Quote from: BerberElla on December 12, 2011, 08:01 AM
    I was just conditioned to believe it was the better option, and had a lot of medical propaganda to back up my choice.


    Indeed, the vast majority of males in my age group in the US are circumcised and it has nothing to do with religion-- not so long ago it was the medical consensus in this country that circumcision was healthier and thus became standard medical practice for infants.

    fuck you
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #46 - December 12, 2011, 01:08 PM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on December 11, 2011, 10:27 PM
    I think guys who get upset and self-righteous over having their foreskin snipped as infants are hilarious. Whoa is them they're always feeling so oppressed and offended.  Cheesy

    Were you drunk when you posted this?

    Just because you want to play the hard man in front of the ladies doesn't mean there are not people out there with legitimate anxiety and anger about being circumcised, and with lasting physical and psychological scaring from what is physical child abuse by another name.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #47 - December 12, 2011, 01:16 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 12, 2011, 01:08 PM
    Were you drunk when you posted this?


    Nope.

    Quote
    Just because you want to play the hard man in front of the ladies


     Roll Eyes

    Quote
    doesn't mean there are not people out there with legitimate anxiety and anger about being circumcised, and with lasting physical and psychological scaring


    As I said to harakaat, I mean guys who had it done when they were infants, not older children-- you can't even remember that shit, it gets snipped before you leave the hospital. If you have psychological scarring from that, well, yeah, you do need to man the fuck up and move on.

    Quote
    from what is physical child abuse by another name.


    Oh please. If you read my reply to Berbs you'll see that many people in the US get it done for strictly medical reasons. Until the mid to late 80s it was the medical consensus in this country that circumcision was a good procedure to perform on a child and thus it became standard medical practice-- even today many parents still choose to get their children medically circumcised before they leave the maternity ward and it has nothing to do with religion. So basically you're saying the majority of ob-gyns and other maternity ward medical staff involved in the procedure are willful child abusers-- bullfuckinshit.
    fuck you
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #48 - December 12, 2011, 01:32 PM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on December 12, 2011, 01:16 PM
    If you have psychological scarring from that, well, yeah, you do need to man the fuck up and move on.

    Expert advice from the Q here.

    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on December 12, 2011, 01:16 PM
    Until the mid to late 80s it was the medical consensus in this country that circumcision was a good procedure to perform on a child and thus it became standard medical practice

    And so, what changed mid to late 80s?

    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on December 12, 2011, 01:16 PM
    even today many parents still choose to get their children medically circumcised before they leave the maternity ward and it has nothing to do with religion. So basically you're saying the majority of ob-gyns and other maternity ward medical staff involved in the procedure are willful child abusers-- bullfuckinshit.

    I dunno what you're talking about. No respectable medical institution in the developed world recommends circumcision. Most, if not all, are against it. I don't know how to see the unnecessary chopping off of infant body parts as anything less than abuse of position and abuse of the infant. So DAMN RIGHT it's willful child abuse.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #49 - December 12, 2011, 02:11 PM
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision#Non-religious_circumcision

    http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/MCrecommendations_en.pdf

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/103/3/686

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060925120138/http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/clinical/clinicalrecs/circumcision.html

    http://www.auanet.org/content/guidelines-and-quality-care/policy-statements/c/circumcision.cfm

    To save you from having to read all that the general conclusions that all of these position papers reach is that neonatal male circumcision carries both benefits and risks, but is generally a safe elective procedure when performed by a competent medical practitioner. None of these organizations condemn nor recommend against it.

    So again bullshit on the child abuse unless you think all these physicians are part of a conspiracy to justify child abuse. I don't think my mother abused me by having me snipped, and if the worst thing you can complain about in terms of your parents raising you is that they had you medically circumcised as an infant, you are a very lucky motherfucker indeed.
    fuck you
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #50 - December 12, 2011, 03:01 PM
    I'm going to do a poll on this subject
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #51 - December 12, 2011, 04:00 PM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on December 12, 2011, 02:11 PM
    To save you from having to read all that the general conclusions that all of these position papers reach is that neonatal male circumcision carries both benefits and risks, but is generally a safe elective procedure when performed by a competent medical practitioner.

    So is a full mastectomy and lymph gland removal. Or an ear lobe removal. Or a full facial tattoo. What's your point?

    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on December 12, 2011, 02:11 PM
    None of these organizations condemn nor recommend against it.

    Well done. You found some American medical institutions that are neutral on it. Yet, the British, Canadian, Australian, Dutch, and fuck knows who all else, are against elective circumcision.

    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on December 12, 2011, 02:11 PM
    So again bullshit on the child abuse unless you think all these physicians are part of a conspiracy to justify child abuse.

    Don't be ridiculous. It's nothing to do with a perceived conspiracy. It's whether or not you think voluntarily presenting your baby to a doctor to chop off a body part for no reason is a good or bad thing, and whether you believe ignorance or 'going along with consensus' is a valid excuse. And it's whether or not you think doctors who go along with it, who have the option to refuse, are wrong or right, or accountable for the act.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #52 - December 12, 2011, 05:09 PM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on December 12, 2011, 02:11 PM
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision#Non-religious_circumcision

    http://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/MCrecommendations_en.pdf

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/103/3/686

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060925120138/http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/clinical/clinicalrecs/circumcision.html

    http://www.auanet.org/content/guidelines-and-quality-care/policy-statements/c/circumcision.cfm

    To save you from having to read all that the general conclusions that all of these position papers reach is that neonatal male circumcision carries both benefits and risks, but is generally a safe elective procedure when performed by a competent medical practitioner. None of these organizations condemn nor recommend against it.

    So again bullshit on the child abuse unless you think all these physicians are part of a conspiracy to justify child abuse. I don't think my mother abused me by having me snipped, and if the worst thing you can complain about in terms of your parents raising you is that they had you medically circumcised as an infant, you are a very lucky motherfucker indeed.

    Hmm.. did you read through those links Colonel??   all those links come from juice.. and you know juice rabbi abuse kids right from the day they are born., i say all male female circumcision should be banned by law  and only adult after the age of 20 should be given knife and allowed to cut themselves ., once they reach that age of 20., they can cut their heads tails dicks whatever as long as the knife is in their hands..

    Quote from: DH on December 12, 2011, 03:01 PM
    I'm going to do a poll on this subject

    So DH., do you still have that skin there?? I say all those anti-Islamic writers of CEMB whose skins are still intact must visit their doctor as soon as possible and get that operation done before they posting again in CEMB forum..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
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  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #53 - December 12, 2011, 05:12 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 12, 2011, 04:00 PM
    So is a full mastectomy and lymph gland removal. Or an ear lobe removal. Or a full facial tattoo. What's your point?
    Well done. You found some American medical institutions that are neutral on it. Yet, the British, Canadian, Australian, Dutch, and fuck knows who all else, are against elective circumcision.
    Don't be ridiculous. It's nothing to do with a perceived conspiracy. It's whether or not you think voluntarily presenting your baby to a doctor to chop off a body part for no reason is a good or bad thing, and whether you believe ignorance or 'going along with consensus' is a valid excuse. And it's whether or not you think doctors who go along with it, who have the option to refuse, are wrong or right, or accountable for the act.


    Point is I don't see infant circumcision performed by medical professionals as being a big deal, and I'm not alone in that opinion-- there are plenty of others in my country who don't view it as child abuse and aren't abusive people and don't support it based on religion or barbaric traditions.
    fuck you
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #54 - December 12, 2011, 05:16 PM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on December 12, 2011, 05:12 PM
    Point is I don't see infant circumcision performed by medical professionals as being a big deal, and I'm not alone in that opinion-- there are plenty of others in my country who don't view it as child abuse and aren't abusive people and don't support it based on religion or barbaric traditions.


    what is your country?? may be all the medical staff  over there are juice....   Raccoon you are wrong there., there is little doubt that cutting is indeed based on religion., If the medical professionals advising patients or toddlers/their parents  to go for that circumcision   means they too are victims religious brain wash..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #55 - December 12, 2011, 05:18 PM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on December 12, 2011, 05:12 PM
    Point is I don't see infant circumcision performed by medical professionals as being a big deal, and I'm not alone in that opinion-- there are plenty of others in my country who don't view it as child abuse and aren't abusive people and don't support it based on religion or barbaric traditions.

    You're a dying breed.

    Welcome to the 21st Century.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #56 - December 12, 2011, 05:22 PM
    i feel more oppressed by people claiming infant male circumcision is child abuse than those who do it. stop telling me how i should feel, i'm perfectly comfortable with my cock the way it is, thank you very much.
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #57 - December 12, 2011, 05:25 PM
    Quote from: Abood on December 12, 2011, 05:22 PM
    i feel more oppressed by people claiming infant male circumcision is child abuse than those who do it. stop telling me how i should feel, i'm perfectly comfortable with my cock the way it is, thank you very much.

    Hmmmm  I see.,

     is you cock too small and worried that gets smaller if they take out a bit of skin from  it Abood??

    don't worry get that operation done...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #58 - December 12, 2011, 05:26 PM
    Abood that is perfectly fine, I just think you should have had the choice yourself, I know I can't go back in time and stop it, I just don't wish to see it carrying on.
  • Re: doc on male circumcision
     Reply #59 - December 12, 2011, 05:31 PM
    Quote from: Abood on December 12, 2011, 05:22 PM
    i feel more oppressed by people claiming infant male circumcision is child abuse than those who do it. stop telling me how i should feel, i'm perfectly comfortable with my cock the way it is, thank you very much.

    Nobody is telling you how to feel. Unless you're feeling anxiety or anger about having being circumcised, in which case Q-Man is telling you to man the fuck up.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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