Thoughts on Shahada!!!

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Thoughts on Shahada!!!
OP - December 16, 2011, 11:40 AM

Recently I was searching through an Albanian forum and I ran into a religious topic about Heaven and Hell.

A guy asked if Heaven exists he wants to buy a ticket to go there and another guy replied him as following:

The ticket to heaven is:

1. Witness that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of God.

and the rest u know the other 4 Pillars of Islam.

What caught my attention was that another person had replied as follows:

To witness on something you don't know and u can't know is to lie about, I am not sure that Allah wants people to witness and say there is god if they are not sure about it and can't prove it.

So I was thinking.

According to Islamic Law you should witness and never lie about something u know, have seen it with ur own eyes and can prove it pretty much, now by Shahada God wants us to witness he is the only God but there is no evidence for his existence at all.
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Reply #1 - December 16, 2011, 04:04 PM

pawned.
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Reply #2 - December 16, 2011, 04:06 PM

Its pwned.

Pawned is something chavs do with their gold when they are skint.

Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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Reply #3 - December 16, 2011, 05:18 PM

I've always wondered about this. What the hell is the point of syahadah? I didnt 'witness' that there are no other gods but allah, and I sure as fuck didn't 'witness' that muhammad was his messenger, since the guy has been dead for the last 1400 years.
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Reply #4 - December 16, 2011, 05:51 PM

exactly

to witness/testify to anything you have to experience one of the 5 main senses

can allah be seen ?
can allah be heard ?
can allah be touched ?
can allah be smelt ?
can allah be heard ?
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Reply #5 - December 16, 2011, 05:55 PM

So basically if allah farts can he smell it if he can't see it or touch it but everyone heard it?

Not sure I would want to witness that.

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Reply #6 - January 25, 2012, 11:46 PM

I also find it silly that for it to be true and accepted it has to be said in front of a number of other Muslims. I'm not sure exactly what the conditions on needing witnesses is, but I find it superfluous to attach any pomp to it when in theory Allah is supposed to see and know all. Even if saying it publicly is not a set in stone requirement, saying it out loud in private also doesn't exactly make sense. Allah is supposed to know what is in your heart and mind, wouldn't simply thinking it and acting accordingly be enough for him?..
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Reply #7 - January 26, 2012, 01:16 AM

LOL, come to think of it, shahada really does seem silly. I never really even thought of it.

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Reply #8 - February 01, 2012, 02:11 PM

I have a whole argument against the need to pray. Any one interested in it?

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Reply #9 - February 01, 2012, 02:40 PM

Quote from: sturmgewehr on December 16, 2011, 11:40 AM
Recently I was searching through an Albanian forum and I ran into a religious topic about Heaven and Hell.

A guy asked if Heaven exists he wants to buy a ticket to go there and another guy replied him as following:

The ticket to heaven is:

1. Witness that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of God.

and the rest u know the other 4 Pillars of Islam.

What caught my attention was that another person had replied as follows:

To witness on something you don't know and u can't know is to lie about, I am not sure that Allah wants people to witness and say there is god if they are not sure about it and can't prove it.

So I was thinking.

According to Islamic Law you should witness and never lie about something u know, have seen it with ur own eyes and can prove it pretty much, now by Shahada God wants us to witness he is the only God but there is no evidence for his existence at all.

Quote from: YellowSky on February 01, 2012, 02:11 PM
I have a whole argument against the need to pray. Any one interested in it?

What is your point YellowSky? what kind of point you have?? you mean to say you want to make that Shahada/Dawah bull shit in to YELLOW SHIT??

Hmm You are good .. you are mean you make people say things that they really dont wanna say.

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Reply #10 - February 01, 2012, 10:36 PM

Apologies. Am I being offensive?

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Reply #11 - February 01, 2012, 10:41 PM

Quote from: YellowSky on February 01, 2012, 10:36 PM
Apologies. Am I being offensive?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.. No apologies needed dear YellowSky and you were NOT offensive etal..., it is actually me who was offensive., Common you should hit back ..lol..

I guess no one understands my posts any more... What you said was actually right

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Reply #12 - February 01, 2012, 10:45 PM

Well, I am busy, but the more I think the more I realize that prayers to supreme gods are ridiculous. Another project to work on, just like my novel and my poetry,eh?

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