argument about time of allah and us

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argument about time of allah and us
OP - December 21, 2011, 10:22 AM

while discussing the concept that allah says his day is equal to 1000 or 5000 days of ours......

i argue with muslims that how allah is calculating his time that certain period is over or an epoch is over and comparing with our time...as he is outside this universe and he is eternal.....there was no concept to time before big bang......

is my argument right ?

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Reply #1 - December 31, 2011, 05:00 AM

Argument seems valid to me about no time before Big Bang, but when you take the multi verse theory into consideration other universes that existed before ours could also have had time as well.

But when debating muslims all the science and logic you use is falling on deaf ears. If there is something scientifically inaccurate in the Quran or Hadith all the muslims will say is "that's not really what it means" "there's a different interpretation" and the classic " allah knows best" . Supernatural is the answer to every almost every argument they encounter.

You can't reason a person our of a position they haven't reasoned themselves into.I would suggest you try an emotional approach. Talk about wife beating, slavery, raping women captives,hell etc. Those issues are what caused many ex muslims to leave Islam in the first place.

Leaving religion usually has to do with the religion conflicting with a person's own moral standards. The skepticism comes after leaving the religion. At least for me and some of the ex muslims i have talked to.

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Reply #2 - December 31, 2011, 09:13 AM

Doesn't matter how many years a day is for Allah or God, it doesn't really matter if God is timeless then time should make no sense to him and there should be no time for him and if there is no time how can he compare something with time even if a day for him is 5 Billion years that still means time exists for him and he is able to measure it.

God is timeless and using time to describe something about him is senseless.
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Reply #3 - December 31, 2011, 09:42 AM

Quote from: Azdaha ExMuslim on December 21, 2011, 10:22 AM
while discussing the concept that allah says his day is equal to 1000 or 5000 days of ours......

i argue with muslims that how allah is calculating his time that certain period is over or an epoch is over and comparing with our time...as he is outside this universe and he is eternal.....there was no concept to time before big bang......

is my argument right ?

I don't think it is.

The quran was written for humans, humans relate time to days etc, ergo it makes sense that the words would be written in a way humanity can relate to.

That is how I would have dismissed this argument as a muslim.

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Reply #4 - December 31, 2011, 11:43 AM

Quote from: TheDarkRebel on December 31, 2011, 05:00 AM
Talk about wife beating, slavery, raping women captives,hell etc. Those issues are what caused many ex muslims to leave Islam in the first place.

i do that on daily basis .....

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Reply #5 - December 31, 2011, 03:14 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on December 31, 2011, 09:42 AM
I don't think it is.

The quran was written for humans, humans relate time to days etc, ergo it makes sense that the words would be written in a way humanity can relate to.

That is how I would have dismissed this argument as a muslim.

Well as a Muslim that argument would be wrong as the Quran was written by anjels and handed down to Muhammad in a cave
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Re: argument about time of allah and us
Reply #6 - December 31, 2011, 03:58 PM

Quote from: magic999 on December 31, 2011, 03:14 PM
Well as a Muslim that argument would be wrong as the Quran was written by anjels and handed down to Muhammad in a cave

How does that change my argument? the fact remains that whether it was written in heaven, by angels, or by god, it was still written for a human audience.

Therefore using human terms like day, night, years etc, makes perfect sense.

Every writer needs to consider their audience.

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