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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #30 - January 05, 2012, 02:42 AM
    We've been having a chat about this in the staff board. The consensus is that arX isn't racist himself (or not that we've noticed) but we feel his use of "Now there's a nigger." was a bit of a faux pas and should preferably not be repeated.

    The same would apply even if he had used the alternative spelling of "nigga", or any other variants thereof.

    Like Chris Rock says, if you aren't black you shouldn't really be using those terms to describe other people. This may not apply between close friends in real life (sort that out yourselves), but it's a good rule of thumb for online discussion boards and similar situations.

    Note that not being white per se is not the same as being black per se. For the purposes of using the aforementioned terms, anyone who is not actually black becomes an honorary whitefella. Live with it. Tongue

    If you are black and you want to use those terms, use them at your own discretion.

    As an example, the other day Serrated Colon used "niggaz" to refer to some figures in Somalian politics (IIRC). SC is Somalian himself, so I'm not going to take it upon myself to be offended on behalf of all Somalians apart from SC. If any of them want to take it up with him, they can go ahead.

    OTOH, if a black person was genuinely offended and SC (purely hypothetically) decided to keep throwing those terms in their face just to troll them, the staff would do something about it. Not because of the word per se, but because he would be being an asshole.

    Short version: anyone with half a brain should be capable of being fairly sensible, mature and aware about the appropriate uses or otherwise of certain terms. If you cannot understand this, you may find yourself in a sticky situation.
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #31 - January 05, 2012, 02:46 AM
    Well I have nothing against the word "niggaz/nigger". I am also Somali, but then again i understand if African-Americans or other Blacks have something against the word.
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #32 - January 05, 2012, 02:48 AM
    Well we have to have some sort of general policy that everyone understands. I think the above is clear enough, and about as good as we're likely to get. Smiley
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #33 - January 05, 2012, 02:48 AM
    LOL "an honorary whitefella".

    For the record, I used it in the context of:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4
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    is only one defense: the creative act.

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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #34 - January 05, 2012, 03:03 AM
    Can we also apply this policy to the word paki? Many Pakistani's find that offensive as well.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #35 - January 05, 2012, 03:09 AM
    Yeah sure. In fact I would have expected people to understand it would be a good thing to apply to any similar words.
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #36 - January 05, 2012, 03:09 AM
    Although, having said that, I am still going to refer to the English as Poms, and I expect Q will continue to refer to them as Limeys. Grin
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #37 - January 05, 2012, 03:15 AM
    And anglo-pilferer, dune coon, kike, bud bud, white trash, honky, chink, guido, limey, yank, etc.

    Race and nationality are funny.
    Against the ruin of the world, there
    is only one defense: the creative act.

    -- Kenneth Rexroth
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #38 - January 05, 2012, 03:16 AM
    Oh, you mean CEMB policy?  Shit I thought we're talking Chris Rock policy.
    Against the ruin of the world, there
    is only one defense: the creative act.

    -- Kenneth Rexroth
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #39 - January 05, 2012, 03:18 AM
    Official CEMB policy: don't be a dickhead. If someone else puts their foot in it, don't over-react. If you put your foot in it, take some advice when it's given. Party on. Wink
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #40 - January 05, 2012, 03:38 AM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on January 05, 2012, 03:03 AM
    Can we also apply this policy to the word paki? Many Pakistani's find that offensive as well.


    Ive seen pakistani's on here using that word! LOL  But you are right, I knew that was
    considered a slur after watching "Bend it Like Becham"   lipsrsealed
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #41 - January 05, 2012, 03:45 AM
    Not a slur in the US.
    fuck you
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #42 - January 05, 2012, 03:50 AM
    International audience and membership. Wink
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #43 - January 05, 2012, 04:24 AM
    Fuck those of you in our vassal states.
    fuck you
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #44 - January 05, 2012, 04:27 AM
    You'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes. Tongue
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #45 - January 05, 2012, 04:30 AM
    Fuck that, I'll be the communist strongman of a rump state that pledges non-aggression against the international invaders as they are bogged down in a lengthy war of occupation against American resisters in the South and West.
    fuck you
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #46 - January 05, 2012, 11:14 AM
     wacko  Cheesy
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #47 - January 05, 2012, 02:57 PM
    Osman, how did you get the idea that I am making urban dictionary ultimate source of knowledge?

    I asked only in this particular case. You can understand the emotional severity of using this word. It is so severe that you wouldn't even use the gold chain word, because someone within their race might find that offensive as well.
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #48 - January 05, 2012, 02:58 PM
    By the way, having said that, I still have no problem bashing oppressor race while fighting for the rights of oppressed race.
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #49 - January 05, 2012, 04:26 PM
    *gigantic facepalm*
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    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #50 - January 05, 2012, 07:28 PM
    I think the policy should be that if someone who is a decent person is offended at the use of a word and politely requests someone not use it, whether or not the person actually had racist or bigoted intent in using the word, they should be courteous and not use the word here. This should not apply if person using the word does not have ill intent and person requesting word not be used is a total douchebag. For example if I used the term "Paki" in a non-hateful way and allat or Aphrodite requested I not use it, I should not use it, but if muddy requested I not use it I would tell him to kiss my ass.
    fuck you
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #51 - January 05, 2012, 07:40 PM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on January 05, 2012, 03:03 AM
    Can we also apply this policy to the word paki? Many Pakistani's find that offensive as well.


    I think its a little bit of stretch for that being done. Paki doesnt have the same amount of negativity and historical suffering behind it. I think its so very easy for us to identify if someone uses the word as a slur. It would be "fockin Packy" or "fuck off Paki" or in a sentence where we know there is resentment between the person who made it and the one its directed at like "yeah okay, Paki,...". Calling someone a Paki in a derogatory manner is tantamount to calling them an 'infidel'. It holds the same meaning; someone outside your kin, who is unlike you in a significant way and unworthy because of that.

    Furthermore alot of non-British people have no idea what it means. Equivalent to the usage of the term 'Jap' in the US. And Desis use the word alot between themselves to refer to Pakistanis. And this forum is mostly Desi.
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #52 - January 05, 2012, 07:43 PM
    Not to be an arse, but lets face it, its Indians who get most offended being called a 'paki'.Grin And 'pakh' means pure in Urdu, the irony of it. Cheesy
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #53 - January 05, 2012, 07:45 PM
    And lets face it, theres no such thing as a Pakistani because there is no Pakistan. All that land belongs to India. ESPECIALLY the Indus Valley Civilization region! Angry

    just kidding Grin
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #54 - January 06, 2012, 03:16 AM
    Well i don't personally get offended by the word Paki but many people living in Pakistan( at least the ones that i talked to) would take that as a racial slur ESPECIALLY if it comes from an Indian. No offense to Indians.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #55 - January 06, 2012, 03:29 AM
    ^ Dont talk dumb shit
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #56 - January 06, 2012, 03:32 AM
    ^ ??
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #57 - January 06, 2012, 05:10 AM
    Quote from: muddy on January 05, 2012, 02:58 PM
    By the way, having said that, I still have no problem bashing oppressor race while fighting for the rights of oppressed race.

    You're a totally awesome dude. You know that, right? Smiley
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #58 - January 06, 2012, 05:10 AM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on January 06, 2012, 03:32 AM
    ^ ??

    He's being a wally. Wink
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  • Re: Why can't I own a Canadian?
     Reply #59 - January 06, 2012, 02:16 PM
    Quote from: muddy on January 05, 2012, 02:58 PM
    By the way, having said that, I still have no problem bashing oppressor race while fighting for the rights of oppressed race.


    Of course,we can see that, its obvious. yes

    Quote from: Al-Ma`arri on January 05, 2012, 02:46 AM
    Well I have nothing against the word "niggaz/nigger". I am also Somali, but then again i understand if African-Americans or other Blacks have something against the word.



    What he said apart from Somali, i guess it has to do with me living in a place where racism is non-existent
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