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 Topic: Why I stopped believing

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  • Why I stopped believing
     OP - January 04, 2012, 09:13 PM

    http://open.salon.com/blog/lj_barnhart/2012/01/02/why_i_stopped_believing_in_god

    Brilliant essay

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    Towards the middle of college I decided to put it all in and really discipline my life to God.  But the more time I spent praying and meditating the more delusional I became.  I started to have visions of absolute destruction that I would somehow manage to escape.  Then there was the night in my dorm room, being taunted by spirits.  I looked in the mirror and had the distinct sense that I was no longer in my body.

    It felt like I was in a life or death struggle.  A poltergeist.  If Jesus wasn’t inside of me, the spirits would take me over and I would be obliterated.  I really believed this.  All the fear I’d been brainwashed with, and all the guilt, and my complete split personality was driving me mentally insane.  I’d been severely depressed since the age of nine and had been suicidal for ten years.  But it was really just the need to kill the side of myself that wasn’t me at all.  It was the side that everyone around me wanted me to be.  I felt so much pressure.  I can remember my disbelief going back to the age of five – but all that time fear had ruled the roost.

                After college I began the long, arduous process of retraining my brain how to think outside of the false concepts of religion.  I went to extremes, breaking the old self through pleasure.  Eventually, I grew numb to all of my devices for forgetting.  It took me ten years to finally be ready to face what I really felt.  And then I began to feel a great deal of anger.



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    More and more I began to see that pastors and leaders in all faiths are simply people hungry for power.  They like to preach that if you love God, you will get rich.  But if bad things do happen, never question God, and never question the pastor because his words come from God.  Of course, power and libido are made for each other.  I witnessed the downfalls of many pastors, usually due to a secret sexual life that leaked.

                Then there is the issue that religion and the concept of God are completely man-made.  “God did not create man in his own image.  Evidently it was the other way about, which is the painless explanation for the profusion of gods and religions, and the fratricide both between and among faiths, that we see all about us and that has so retarded the development of civilization (Hitchens, Cool.”  If you take the Bible literally (which many Christians are taught to do), God comes off as a complete mental case and a reflection of the lunacy of man.  And religion is responsible for more lunacy than anything else in the history of humanity.

                “Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience (Hitchens, 56).”

                It seems lazy to never question religion, or explore all the evidence against it.  But it has more to do with fear.  When you are infiltrated with a belief system from birth, and told that everything else is wrong, and everyone you know is within the faith; if you leave, you have nothing at first.  You have to build a new life.  You have to change the way you’ve been trained to think and die to the old self to be reborn an individual.   

                People will always try to explain the universe.  And the more unbelievable it is, the more people are apt to believe.  “It is not snobbish to notice the way in which people show their gullibility and their herd instinct, and their wish, or perhaps their need, to be credulous and to be fooled.  This is an ancient problem.  Credulity may be a form of innocence, and even innocuous in itself, but it provides a standing invitation for the wicked and the clever to exploit their brothers and sisters, and is thus one of humanity’s great vulnerabilities (Hitchens, 161).”



    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #1 - January 04, 2012, 11:12 PM

    Yeah its briliant.
    Fantastic written by Lauren Barnhart!

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #2 - January 04, 2012, 11:36 PM

    moi... i just read the entire blog.  GREAT FIND!

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #3 - January 05, 2012, 01:44 AM

    Great article. When it comes to apostasy it seems like most Americans/Christians seem to have it easier than us Ex-Muslims since their parents are more accepting.  yes
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #4 - January 05, 2012, 02:02 AM

    not necessarily so, Tmp.  Especially catholics...
    the drama can be endless!!!!

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #5 - January 05, 2012, 04:38 AM

    Great article. When it comes to apostasy it seems like most Americans/Christians seem to have it easier than us Ex-Muslims since their parents are more accepting.  yes


    Nope.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #6 - January 05, 2012, 05:37 AM

    Tmp.. when I was a hardcore pentecostal,
    my pastor threw his sister out of their house
    (leaving her homeless) because she refused
    to get rid of the television in her room.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #7 - January 05, 2012, 09:00 PM

    Great article. When it comes to apostasy it seems like most Americans/Christians seem to have it easier than us Ex-Muslims since their parents are more accepting.  yes

    It depends - Atheists are the most hated group in America and it's not uncommon for hardcore Christian families to lose their shit over someone in their family becoming an atheist.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #8 - January 05, 2012, 09:59 PM

    not necessarily so, Tmp.  Especially catholics...
    the drama can be endless!!!!

    There may be a drama, but the Catholic parents will not kill their children - on the contrary they will pray for them. I know few Catholics who have converted to other religions, and get along with their parents very well.

    I know a woman who was brought up as a Catholic, converted to some sect of Hinduism. She still sees her parents regularly. Also I know a Greek Orthodox, he joined Hare Krishna sect. His parents attended his wedding in the local Hare Krishna temple.

    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #9 - January 05, 2012, 10:00 PM

    It depends - Atheists are the most hated group in America and it's not uncommon for hardcore Christian families to lose their shit over someone in their family becoming an atheist.

    Will they kill them?

    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #10 - January 05, 2012, 10:15 PM

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    Will they kill them?


    Actually yes - court case on witchcraft in Britain now, similar at link below, many churches do want gay people executed  , Rwanda is probably worst example of mass murder, the various suicide and end time cults.

    Definitely worth researching further - what precisely leads to the extreme behaviour?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/09/tracymcveigh.theobserver

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    Children are targets of Nigerian witch hunt

    Evangelical pastors are helping to create a terrible new campaign of violence against young Nigerians. Children and babies branded as evil are being abused, abandoned and even murdered while the preachers make money out of the fear of their parents and their communities


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #11 - January 05, 2012, 10:22 PM

    Will they kill them?

    I never said they would.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #12 - January 07, 2012, 12:35 AM

    Actually yes - court case on witchcraft in Britain now, similar at link below, many churches do want gay people executed  , Rwanda is probably worst example of mass murder, the various suicide and end time cults.

    Definitely worth researching further - what precisely leads to the extreme behaviour?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/09/tracymcveigh.theobserver


    Please don't try to divert the attention from the subject of the relevant post. The issue is conversion. Will a Christian who converts to some other religion be killed? That's the question.

    As a matter of fact, in the West, no church advocates killing of homosexuals. Majority of Christians in the West are very supportive of the human rights of gays and lesbians.

    People of Africa are extremely prejudiced against homosexuals, that has nothing to do with Christianity.

    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #13 - January 07, 2012, 12:38 AM

    I never said they would.

    That proves that Christians in the West are much more tolerant than Muslims. I think you should stop comparing Muslims and Christians. Let us examine the believers in each religion independently.

    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #14 - January 07, 2012, 03:02 PM

    Why are xians in the West - a species that is going extinct btw except for groups with strong connections to other cultures - allegedly more tolerant?

    Maybe because of the enlightenment, states that work and do provide education, health, social services.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Why I stopped believing
     Reply #15 - January 07, 2012, 03:54 PM

    Please don't try to divert the attention from the subject of the relevant post. The issue is conversion. Will a Christian who converts to some other religion be killed? That's the question.

    As a matter of fact, in the West, no church advocates killing of homosexuals. Majority of Christians in the West are very supportive of the human rights of gays and lesbians.

    People of Africa are extremely prejudiced against homosexuals, that has nothing to do with Christianity.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_hates_fags#Anti-gay_picketing

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
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