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 Topic: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.

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  • Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     OP - January 10, 2012, 06:54 PM

    From the Guardian today:

    Quote
    She told the jury of seven men and five women: "The essence of this case will come down to this: an allegation of a hate crime – that these five defendants were part of a small group of men who distributed horrible, threatening literature, with quotations from religious sources and with pictures on them, which were designed to stir up hatred and hostility against homosexual people."

    Cheema showed the jury three leaflets the men handed out, including The Death Penalty? She said the court would hear from witnesses who had received them. The two other leaflets were made and used to help publicise a protest against a gay pride parade in Derby, she said.

    "The leaflets you will see are not educational or simply informative, they are, we suggest, threatening, offensive, frightening and nasty," Cheema said.

    The death penalty leaflet, which says execution is the only way the "immoral sin" of homosexuality can be erased from society, was handed out to people outside the Jamia mosque after Friday prayers on 2 July 2010.

    Cheema said a police officer near the mosque was handed a copy by Razwan Javed, and then a second by Ahmed in nearby Madeley Street.

    The court heard that this came after two other leaflets had been distributed in the streets and through letterboxes. The first, Turn or Burn, showed images of a burning lake of fire and an image of hell, and stated that the decriminalisation of homosexuality was the root cause of all problems, Cheema said. The second used the word gay as an acronym for "God abhors you".


    Next stop, East London? Having read the rest of the article, I live in hope of more prosecutions. And jail time.
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #1 - January 10, 2012, 07:21 PM


    Good to see the police and CPS being aggressive in taking this to court.






    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #2 - January 10, 2012, 07:33 PM



    The guy on the very left kind of looks like Anjem.
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #3 - January 10, 2012, 07:45 PM

    Didnt muslims recently do this exact same thing
    in NYC?  The same chants were repeated as well.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #4 - January 10, 2012, 07:50 PM

    Put the five of them in one cell for a few years and feed them aphrodisiacs. YouTube the results, then interview them on tv about how their attitudes have changed. Poetic justice. grin12

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #5 - January 10, 2012, 08:08 PM

    Quote
    In police interviews, she told the court, Ahmed had said he did not feel that the views expressed in The Death Penalty? leaflet – which suggested three different ways to murder gay people – were wrong and  simply expressed what Islam says about homosexuality, adding that it was his duty as a Muslim to condemn it.


    well they are riot...


    Quote
    Bobbie Cheema, opening the case for the prosecution, said: "The leaflets you will see are not educational or simply informative. They are, we suggest, threatening, offensive, frightening and nasty."

    A fourth leaflet, entitled Dead Derby, had been found but not distributed, she told the court. It described homosexuality as a "vile, ugly, cancerous disease" and stated: "Gay today, paedophile tomorrow?"

    "A word of warning," she told the jury of seven men and five women. "This case is not about, and we must not make it about, an interference with the defendants' freedom of religion or freedom to express their religious views in an attempt to educate or inform people.

    if that Bobbie Cheema has any problem with leaflets then put Islam on trial NO THESE INNOCENT GUYS who  are just following what is there in Islam.

    THIS ..this.... Bobbie  ..



    should be put on trail for prosecuting those wonderful momins
    Quote
    O Momins, in order to reap the best fruits in life one should do good deeds and if anyone is not doing good deeds his life becomes a waste.


    First force Burkha on that Bobbie CHeema..  finmad finmad


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #6 - January 10, 2012, 08:16 PM

    This is interesting though. The case "is not about, and we must not make it about, an interference with the defendants' freedom of religion or freedom to express their religious views", and yet obviously the defendants' views on homosexuality are a result of their religious views, and of the content of the religious texts they rely on.

    Without the content of the religious texts to get them going, these idiots would possibly have a quite different view of how homosexuals should be treated.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #7 - January 10, 2012, 08:58 PM

    ^^  it may be a secular world many of us are living in these days but that doesn't stop the stupidity. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #8 - January 10, 2012, 09:01 PM

    It'd be refreshing to have the prosecutor get up in court and say "Well, as we all know, the Quran and most other holy books are full of some fucked up shit.........................."

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #9 - January 10, 2012, 09:04 PM

    better still, have a gay judge try them  dance

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #10 - January 10, 2012, 09:22 PM

    Adam and Eve, not Steve.

    Well Adam and Eves children had sex together. With other words they are proud of incestuous relationships?

    http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/255

    Them calling gays for pedophiles. Well  we all know about Mo and Aicha....

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #11 - January 16, 2012, 04:10 PM

    Gay sex which was consensual =  Headsman
    Beating wife for not agreeing to have sex =  Afro
    Forcing a woman to marry her rapist =  Afro
    Punishing a woman who has been raped and cannot find 2 witnesses =  Afro
    Marrying and sexing girls under 15 =  Afro

     
    Good job Mo'

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #12 - January 20, 2012, 08:34 PM

    Let's say three white Christian men distribute leaflets with Leviticus 20:13 printed on them. Are they guilty of a hate crime?
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #13 - January 20, 2012, 08:38 PM


    Convicted today.

    ++++++


    Derby men guilty over gay hate leaflets


    Three men have been found guilty of a gay hate crime after handing out leaflets calling for homosexual people to be given the death sentence.

    Ihjaz Ali, 42, Kabir Ahmed, 28, and Razwan Javed, 27, were found guilty of stirring up hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation.

    They distributed a leaflet entitled Death Penalty? at a mosque and through letterboxes, Derby Crown Court heard.

    It is the first prosecution of its kind since new laws came into force in

    Islamic texts
    Sentencing was adjourned until 10 February. Two other men were cleared of the same charge.

    The court heard the leaflets showed an image of a wooden mannequin hanging from a noose and quoted Islamic texts.

    The leaflets said capital punishment was the only way to rid society of homosexuality.

    They were handed out near the Jaima Mosque on Rosehill Street, Derby, and put through the letterboxes of people's homes in surrounding streets.

    The court heard the leaflets were made and used as part of a campaign to publicise a protest in response to the Gay Pride festival held on 10 July 2010 in Derby.

    The men admitted distributing the leaflet but said they were simply following and quoting what their religion taught them about homosexuality and did not intend to threaten anyone.

    Taxi driver Ali, of Fairfax Road, who the prosecution said was believed to be the main organiser and supplier of the leaflets, was found guilty of four counts of distribution, on 2 July and 4 July 2010.

    Ahmed, of Madeley Street, and Javed, of Wilfred Street, were convicted of distribution in the area of the mosque, on 2 July.

    Taxi driver Mehboob Hussain, of Rosehill Street, and Razwan's brother Umar Javed, of Whittaker Street, were both cleared of distribution relating to posting the leaflets through the letterboxes of homes, on 4 July.

    The court heard that two other leaflets were also distributed and were relevant in the case to show intent even though charges had not been brought in relation to them.

    The leaflets were called Gay - an acronym for God Abhors You - and Turn Or Burn.

    One gay man, who gave evidence but cannot be identified for legal reasons, said he received the Turn Or Burn and Death Penalty? leaflets through the door of his home on two occasions.

    He said the first leaflet, Turn Or Burn, made him feel "quite horrified" and it was after he received Death Penalty? that he called the police.

    "They made me feel terrorised in my own home," he said.

    "Sometimes I wondered whether I would be getting a burning rag through the letterbox or if I would be attacked in the street."

    Ben Summerskill, chief executive of campaign group Stonewall, said after the hearing: "We're satisfied to see these extremists convicted for distributing offensive and inflammatory leaflets that suggested gay people should be burnt or stoned to death.

    "Witnesses told the court they felt threatened and deeply fearful in their own homes.

    "People from all communities will feel safer knowing that the law now makes it harder to stir up hatred and violence against gay people."


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-16656679



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #14 - January 20, 2012, 08:55 PM

    Let's say three white Christian men distribute leaflets with Leviticus 20:13 printed on them. Are they guilty of a hate crime?

  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #15 - January 20, 2012, 09:02 PM


    We'll only discover the answer to that if and when Christians happen to commit an act along these lines quoting scripture and directly saying homosexuals should face death:

    Quote
    The leaflets said capital punishment was the only way to rid society of homosexuality.


    Quote
    Ben Summerskill, chief executive of campaign group Stonewall, said after the hearing: "We're satisfied to see these extremists convicted for distributing offensive and inflammatory leaflets that suggested gay people should be burnt or stoned to death.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #16 - January 20, 2012, 09:14 PM

    Did they actually call for gays to be killed by civilians or just that there should be a law that deemed HS punishable by death? Not that I don't think the latter is a hate-crime, but honestly I've regularly encountered far more inflammatory and threatening remarks/handouts about HS by Muslims. Seems an odd choice to make an example of, although I guess it's pretty new legislation.
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #17 - January 20, 2012, 10:46 PM

    The point of this trial is to establish the response of the law.  The judge has said they are going to jail.  Similar leaflets and activities - as in Tower Hamlets - will be prosecuted.


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #18 - January 20, 2012, 10:47 PM

    Quote
    actually...or just that ...honestly...seems


    maybe capital punishment in all circumstances is also unacceptable?

    Maybe this kind of arguing that feels to me like a mix of rhetoric, trolling and astroturfing is also actually unacceptable?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #19 - January 20, 2012, 10:54 PM

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    The guy on the very left kind of looks like Anjem.


    What is it about their faces?  Is this the result of all that bowing in prayer?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #20 - January 20, 2012, 11:18 PM

    She's a Jat don't mess with Jats.
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #21 - January 20, 2012, 11:27 PM

    maybe capital punishment in all circumstances is also unacceptable?

    Maybe this kind of arguing that feels to me like a mix of rhetoric, trolling and astroturfing is also actually unacceptable?

    And maybe herpa derp derp?
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #22 - January 21, 2012, 01:08 AM

    Let's say three white Christian men distribute leaflets with Leviticus 20:13 printed on them. Are they guilty of a hate crime?


    Christians don't follow the rules of the Old testament, it's almost irrelevant. That's ancient Hebrew law. But it's in there just to show 'prophets' and stories before Jesus. If that were the case Christians would not eat ham like Muslims or Jews. (for example). Even though the Bible says it's wrong it gives no instructions to kill or harm homosexuals. I can't say the same for Islam/ Ancient Hebrew law who says to stone them. O_O;

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Re: Somehow, 'screw these guys' just isn't quite enough.
     Reply #23 - January 21, 2012, 02:00 AM

    Christians don't follow the rules of the Old testament, it's almost irrelevant. That's ancient Hebrew law. But it's in there just to show 'prophets' and stories before Jesus. If that were the case Christians would not eat ham like Muslims or Jews. (for example). Even though the Bible says it's wrong it gives no instructions to kill or harm homosexuals. I can't say the same for Islam/ Ancient Hebrew law who says to stone them. O_O;

    Let's say three hard-ass Jews then.
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