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  • Adam and Eve
     OP - January 10, 2012, 07:36 PM

    In xianity, it is possible - just - to be a xian and accept evolution, normally using some concept of ensoulment - that God breathed his spirit into Adam and Eve, and that Genesis does not show a 6000 year old earth because you do not know how long the void was before God started the days of creation.

    From odd comments, I wonder is this not possible for a Muslim?  are they stuck with Adam and Eve?

    Does a Muslim have to be a young earth creationist?

    On a similar theme, The Bible can clearly be seen to state that the Earth is flat and that the sun goes around the earth.

    Do Muslims have to believe that?

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    When I first became interested in the flat-earthers in the early 1970s, I was surprised to learn that flat-earthism in the English-speaking world is and always has been entirely based upon the Bible. I have since assembled and read an extensive collection of flat-earth literature. The Biblical arguments for flat-earthism that follow come mainly from my reading of flat-earth literature, augmented by my own reading of the Bible.

    Except among Biblical inerrantists, it is generally agreed that the Bible describes an immovable earth. At the 1984 National Bible-Science Conference in Cleveland, geocentrist James N. Hanson told me there are hundreds of scriptures that suggest the earth is immovable. I suspect some must be a bit vague, but here are a few obvious texts:

    1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
    Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
    Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
    Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
    Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”
    Suffice to say that the earth envisioned by flat-earthers is as immovable as any geocentrist could desire. Most (perhaps all) scriptures commonly cited by geocentrists have also been cited by flat-earthers. The flat-earth view is geocentricity with further restrictions.



    http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Adam and Eve
     Reply #1 - February 03, 2012, 03:15 AM

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    Does a Muslim have to be a young earth creationist?

       
    Muslims are old earth creationists. If you want to know more about Islamic creationism look up this douche bag named Harun Yahya

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Adam and Eve
     Reply #2 - February 03, 2012, 09:18 AM

    I mean more in principle.  Maybe I am misunderstanding something.

    Xian yecs believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, that it is god breathed and perfect.  I assume the same idea is held by Muslims about the koran.

    Therefore, as the Koran speaks of Adam and Eve, do not Muslims therefore have to reject science and evolution and state Allah created the earth six thousand years ago?

    Harun arguably might be a heretic and misunderstanding the koran.  What is the view of a perfect koranist?  Do they as well have to state the earth is flat? 

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Adam and Eve
     Reply #3 - February 03, 2012, 10:11 AM

    im not sure about the age of the earth, but i think they would definately have to take adam and even as literal. Isn't Adam supposed to be a prophet?  the first muslim.
    i have come across evolution accepting muslims, who make an exception for humans.
  • Re: Adam and Eve
     Reply #4 - February 05, 2012, 04:07 PM

    Look up Imam Usama Hasan on google. 

    He told muslims that evolution is compatible with Islam and the faced a harsh response.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Adam and Eve
     Reply #5 - February 05, 2012, 04:32 PM

    The Leyton Mosque.  This is precisely my point.  If you take the koran literally as the perfect word of god, are you forced to reject evolution, is the earth flat and do the sun moon stars and planets go around the earth?  Is Mecca the centre of the universe?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
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