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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #120 - February 15, 2012, 09:24 AM

    So are you gonna get yerself some serious booty? Are ya, huh, are ya? grin12

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #121 - February 15, 2012, 10:58 AM

    Another solution:

    Nationalize the fashion industry and appoint Vida Guerra to be the Commissar of Fashion Modeling

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Here is a better one  and a better model Raccoon ., She is BA from  Durham University



    She was on TED talks

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nItwVO9stX8

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    I am in touch with thousands of people who live in fear in Islamic countries.  I know Al Mayassa was deceiving her audience. So I commented in the comment section, “Abaya is not cultural; it is an Islamic dress. For every woman who wears it willingly, there are many others who are forced to wear it. What is lacking in Islamic countries is freedom – freedom to dress, freedom to speak and freedom to decide how to live one’s life. This is the problem with Islam, which this speaker is not addressing.”


    Moments later, I received a message from TED Conversations Admin saying, “Your conversation has been removed due to violations of the TED.com Terms of Use.”

    I asked for explanation.  This person responded, “You’ve been making deliberately inflammatory comments. If you continue we will have to remove your account.”


    Lol.. that is good conversation..


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #122 - February 16, 2012, 12:38 AM


    Oh yeah, the old "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" cop out. Never seen that one before.


    Well they do say stereotypes are stereotypes because they are true. Seriously I have no truck with homosexuals. We cannot have a meanigful discussion if you think like that.  Sure I can be accused of trying to rattle the cages of the gay lobby on this forum. Nothing more. You can believe want you want. And it is certainly not hate.

    If you read my posts concerning 'sex', I have been pretty damning about fucking out of place, that would mean both straight, gay, whatever. And it is more a case of do as I say, rather than do i do lol, I am not preaching, just commentating.

    Absolutely homosexuals have a  right to exist, live and love like the rest of us(straights).  My 'musings' are about those homosexuals that have a over-representation in the fashion world and in particular at the top level if evidence bought forth from osmanthus is to be believed. (As an interesting aside if you tapped top ten porn companies over half are run by Jews, when they only make up two/three per cent of the population lol) (UsA )I'd even chip in an assertion/insinuation that they are over-represented across broad swathes of the media world. There is nothing really wrong with their over-representation in the media world, they seem to be overly-represented in the talented and funny people. Just that their sexuality is represented more (in the media)than their representation in general. It's not a case of 'most' it is a case of 'over-represented'. Straight old man sexuality is responsible for the vast majority of objectification of women, determining how they should look and act, pornography etc. How much more over-represented let's say the difference in women on the catwalk and those in other parts of the media. Imo there is a difference in women used on catwalks than in the rest of the media. Boobs and bums mainly.

    This wouldn't get my goat at all if it wasn't for the fact sexualisation of children has become a worry. I am father of near-teenage daughters and it isn't as simple as logging off or having good parent skills, because as i know from my childhood peer pressure counted a lot more than parenting.

    And when in a free society, with aspects of feminism and consumerism ( mentioned because they are recent events) all playing into the hands of the ever-present imo dirty old man known as the media thrown in kids are subjected to images as to how to look and act. I mention 'old man' because imo old men sexuality is imo different to young man sexuality, I don't think Man was meant to live beyond 40-45 years in past times and now they push on into into their nineties, those extra forty years must be different to handle than the first forty years. And I believe it is these older men be they straight (or gay) that run the media and hence the representation of women is skewed towards what they ahve been wired to like in evolutionary terms, fertile girls, perhaps in the evolutionary past it was advantage to spot girls who had just turned 'ready' in essence. That's perhaps why older women spend billions on looking younger shinier hair/glowing skin to keep being attractive to the opposite sex. So indeed this skinny look the media 'portrays' stems from dirty old media man's primal instinct for the shape of girls rather than shape of women, the same accusation that Amanda Platell threw at gay man seeking the look of boys in their cat-walk models rather than women. Skinny women without bums and breasts.

    And I simply don't think it is free society is sexually healthy for children. If I didn't have children I perhaps would/may not have come this far with my musings, I don't know. Ideally I just wish it wasn't in their faces. One example is the difference between movies rated 12/15 today and those in the eighties, is vast. The porn culture is more prominent and accessible to young boys and girls, in my time, when the women still had pubic hair, we had to rely on one of my schoolfriends finding his dad's stash and bringing into school. My dad must have hidden his well lol.

    As it being the 'muslim/islamic in me, all I will say nay because I understand there is nothing inherently dirtier/deviant about gay sex than that of straight sex..
    The societies that were most exercised about homosexuality (and adultery/pre-marital sex/beastiality) were the desert, nomadic and arable ones which felt under constant  threat from nature and competing tribes.  They valued large families, particularly sons.  Their economic model relied on sons to inherit property, and to take care of their parents in old age.  Who took care of aged men who had no children?  They became a burden for the tribe.  How could a childless man inherit from his father?  He couldn't.  What use was a man who didn't contribute more people to the tribe, to farm and to protect it?  Very little.  How destabilising were people who did not fulfill their gender roles?

    Now we run on a different economic model. Other parts of the world also did and homosexiuality was not a problem. But back then those land where Judaism sprang and shaped Christianity and Islam were not so welcoming. These same people rule the media in the West. Not the romans, Spartans or Indians.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #123 - February 16, 2012, 12:54 AM

    I suggest you re-read your post and re-consider some of the content. You appear to have some quite glaring lapses of logic in it.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #124 - February 16, 2012, 01:13 AM

    Osmanthus - sincerely ask for them to be pointed out, or else how can one learn.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #125 - February 16, 2012, 01:13 AM

    Most women don't like obese men either, and that has nothing to do with the media. It's natural.


    In evolutionary terms apparently it has a lot to do with waist to hip ratio, the part most pertinent to the skinny debate.

    >>>>>Just as Buss (1989) found that his evolutionary psychology findings on sex differences applied in different cultures, so too does the work of Singh on wait-to-hip ratio hold up in different cultures (Singh, 1993a, 1993b, 1995; Singh & Luis, 1995). Singh has shown that there is a preference among men for a certain waist-to-hip ratio in females. A 70% waist-to-hip ratio indicates, apparently, health and fertility in the woman, and is the male ideal. This holds up across different cultures, suggesting, like the Buss (1989) sex differences in mate preferences, that it is a universal reality. Singh has pointed out that even women who look very different may have similar wait-to-hip ratios. For example, he says that the famous actress Marilyn Monroe and the current skinny model Kate Moss both have the ideal waist-to-hip ratio. Even though they look quite different, their having the ideal waist-to-hip ratio would help explain their appeal, and why they have become stars when other attractive women have not. There is also a female preferred waist-to-hip ratio for men, of 80-95% (Singh, 1995).<<<<

    http://ryan.boren.me/2003/11/01/evolutionary-psychology-waist-to-hip-ratio/

    Again on the skinny side - catwalk models - skinny with no bums and boobs (I am sure there are exceptions that prove the rule) look more like boys - homosexual influence? Rest of the Media - skinny with boobs (I'd like to reconsider and throw bums out of the equation because a) bigger bums is not exactly a western ideal b) it fits my 'hypothesis' better - look more like girls - heterosexual influence.


    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #126 - February 16, 2012, 01:16 AM

    Osmanthus - sincerely ask for them to be pointed out, or else how can one learn.

    Well I have to trundle off and do a few things. I'll give it a go later, if Allat hasn't gone all Samuel L. Jackson on your arse in the meantime. Grin

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #127 - February 16, 2012, 01:18 AM

    I really don't believe that 10-15% of the population are gay, totally gay, not bisexual. Perhaps in the West, all them gender-bender chemicals washing into thew water supply is having affect. Eventually we will all be metrosexual.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #128 - February 16, 2012, 01:33 AM

    Well I have to trundle off and do a few things. I'll give it a go later, if Allat hasn't gone all Samuel L. Jackson on your arse in the meantime. Grin


    That inspires a movie quote - Marcellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction.

    "What now? Let me tell you what now. I'm gonna call a couple of hard, pipe-hitting niggas to go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. [to Zed] You hear me talking, hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'm gonna get medieval on your ass".

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #129 - February 16, 2012, 04:19 AM

    Well they do say stereotypes are stereotypes because they are true.

    I've never heard anyone say that, and some stereotypes are bullshit. The problem with stereotypes is that they rely on taking a characteristic that is displayed by some members of a group, and attempt to extrapolate it to being representative of the entire group.


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    Seriously I have no truck with homosexuals.

    That expression means you refuse to have anything to do with homosexuals.


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    Sure I can be accused of trying to rattle the cages of the gay lobby on this forum.

    I've never noticed that we had a "gay lobby" here. We have some gay people, who expect others to not spout outrageous bullshit.


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    Absolutely homosexuals have a  right to exist, live and love like the rest of us(straights).  My 'musings' are about those homosexuals that have a over-representation in the fashion world and in particular at the top level if evidence bought forth from osmanthus is to be believed. (As an interesting aside if you tapped top ten porn companies over half are run by Jews, when they only make up two/three per cent of the population lol) (UsA )I'd even chip in an assertion/insinuation that they are over-represented across broad swathes of the media world. There is nothing really wrong with their over-representation in the media world, they seem to be overly-represented in the talented and funny people. Just that their sexuality is represented more (in the media)than their representation in general. It's not a case of 'most' it is a case of 'over-represented'.

    If there is nothing really wrong with them being "over-represented" then why keep banging on about it? All you're saying is "Hey guys, I found out something which I regard as totally irrelevant!" Tongue


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    Straight old man sexuality is responsible for the vast majority of objectification of women, determining how they should look and act, pornography etc.

    Really? So straight young men have no influence? There's no research into target markets for porn? Misogyny in rap and hip-hop culture is not perpetrated and encouraged by young men?


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    How much more over-represented let's say the difference in women on the catwalk and those in other parts of the media. Imo there is a difference in women used on catwalks than in the rest of the media. Boobs and bums mainly.

    Yes, the fashion industry selects tall and slender women for models. There are several points here.

    First is that breast size has nothing to do with femininity or sexual maturity or, in my view at least, with attractiveness. There are plenty of very attractive women outside the fashion industry who don't have much in the way of teh boobage, and that's fine. Big boobs are called "big" because they are abnormal.

    Bum size is related to pelvic size and body fat. Slender women have smaller bums than less slender women, and for them this is natural and not necessarily unhealthy.

    As I pointed out earlier, the trend towards using tall and slender women as runway models was started by Elsa Schiaparelli. The reason she selected such women is because she thought they were better for showing off the clothes, not because she personally found them more sexually attractive. I can see the point here.

    If you are selling haute couture then you are selling elegance and style. Taller models will give a more impressive effect, and not filling the clothes to bursting point with luscious curves of squeezy bitz ( eddie) will let the audience focus more on the clothes themselves. It's a subjective and debatable point of view, but I can see the arguments for it.

    It shouldn't be a problem as long as the women involved are physically healthy, and as long as people aren't daft enough to promote them as an ideal for all women. The fashion industry is failing on these two counts, and that is the real problem.


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    This wouldn't get my goat at all if it wasn't for the fact sexualisation of children has become a worry. I am father of near-teenage daughters and it isn't as simple as logging off or having good parent skills, because as i know from my childhood peer pressure counted a lot more than parenting.

    The thing is that there a lot of models who are not children. They are within the normal range of human genetic variation. Some women are just built like that. You can't say that just because they are built like that, this means they are involved in sexualising children.


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    I mention 'old man' because imo old men sexuality is imo different to young man sexuality, I don't think Man was meant to live beyond 40-45 years in past times and now they push on into into their nineties, those extra forty years must be different to handle than the first forty years.

    Since I am currently fifty years old and have not noticed any tendency for myself to develop a sexual attraction to pre-pubescent girls, I have no fucking idea what you are on about here. The thing I'm pissed about is that Marg Helgenberger is leaving CSI. The show may be total crap, but Marg rocks. Grin


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    And I believe it is these older men be they straight (or gay) that run the media and hence the representation of women is skewed towards what they ahve been wired to like in evolutionary terms, fertile girls, perhaps in the evolutionary past it was advantage to spot girls who had just turned 'ready' in essence.
    That's perhaps why older women spend billions on looking younger shinier hair/glowing skin to keep being attractive to the opposite sex. So indeed this skinny look the media 'portrays' stems from dirty old media man's primal instinct for the shape of girls rather than shape of women, the same accusation that Amanda Platell threw at gay man seeking the look of boys in their cat-walk models rather than women. Skinny women without bums and breasts.

    Well older gay men are not, presumably, evolutionarily wired to go for fertile girls, or for pre-pubescent girls.

    As for straight men, would it not make more sense for evolution to wire them to go for young women who were already capable of successfully carrying a pregnancy to term and raising the resulting child? What possible evolutionary benefit would there be in wiring straight men to want girls who were too young to breed successfully? Your argument falls down on basic common sense.


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    And I simply don't think it is free society is sexually healthy for children. If I didn't have children I perhaps would/may not have come this far with my musings, I don't know. Ideally I just wish it wasn't in their faces. One example is the difference between movies rated 12/15 today and those in the eighties, is vast. The porn culture is more prominent and accessible to young boys and girls, in my time, when the women still had pubic hair, we had to rely on one of my schoolfriends finding his dad's stash and bringing into school. My dad must have hidden his well lol.

    Ok, but that has nothing to do with the fashion industry since the fashion industry doesn't make porn.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #130 - February 16, 2012, 04:24 AM

    Again on the skinny side - catwalk models - skinny with no bums and boobs (I am sure there are exceptions that prove the rule) look more like boys - homosexual influence?

    Have an educational experience. Google up "gay porn". Check out the men involved, and see if they are skinny and don't have any bottoms.

    ETA: Incidentally, Christian Dior was a gay male.

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    His look employed fabrics lined predominantly with percale, boned, bustier-style bodices, hip padding, wasp-waisted corsets and petticoats that made his dresses flare out from the waist, giving his models a very curvaceous form.

    So it's not as simple as "gay male fashion designers want their models to look like boys".

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #131 - February 16, 2012, 04:32 AM

    Have an educational experience. Google up "gay porn". Check out the men involved, and see if they are skinny and don't have any bottoms.


    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Gay male porn and gay men in general are usually very much into meaty, round, squeezable, scrumptious butts.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #132 - February 16, 2012, 04:59 AM

    That's true, I found this on muddy's computer:



    He wanna get all up in them creases.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #133 - February 16, 2012, 05:00 AM

    Grin

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #134 - February 16, 2012, 05:14 AM

    I thought about it a little more and DA's theory is even more fuckin ridiculous than I thought it was at first glance. I mean the fashion industry has MALE models so why not have skinny, short, super-young looking models if the gay pedo designers want models who look like young boys? And yet male fashion models tend to be tall and relatively muscular and not look like teenagers or younger-- nothing a pedo would go for. So basically DA's theory only makes sense if there are a number of influential designers who are gay pedos who also have a transvestite fetish and like seeing boyish-looking models in women's clothes. Yeah that conspiracy theory is a big ole FAIL on every possible level.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #135 - February 16, 2012, 05:20 AM

    Yep. It falls down on several levels.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #136 - February 17, 2012, 01:32 AM

    I thought about it a little more and DA's theory is even more fuckin ridiculous than I thought it was at first glance. I mean the fashion industry has MALE models so why not have skinny, short, super-young looking models if the gay pedo designers want models who look like young boys? And yet male fashion models tend to be tall and relatively muscular and not look like teenagers or younger-- nothing a pedo would go for. So basically DA's theory only makes sense if there are a number of influential designers who are gay pedos who also have a transvestite fetish and like seeing boyish-looking models in women's clothes. Yeah that conspiracy theory is a big ole FAIL on every possible level.



    Yes I would like to rephrase post 134 - that was thinking on the hoof. The theory goes that a man's sexuality would impact his visual needs. Especially a creative man. Which those in the fashion and media world tend to be - a field over-represented by homosexuals, especially fashion. Now lets say you were one of these men, now I can't speak for a gay man lol, but if he thinks with his dick/eyes what sort of people does he want to be surrounded by. If his pallete is men, then he would indeed pick men who looked like men, those meatier types allat allludes us to, but if his pallete is women then the next best thing is to make those women look more male-like. Making them look like men is not on the cards, but with the BMI's to be met, they look androgynous/adolescent boy/young male to fulfil the visual needs for a creative person to be truly creative. It would be like picking the mature or teen section of your favourite pornsite.

    There is a fine line between peadophilia/ephebophiles/hebephiles, all involve the young. I'd say the most vulnerable ages are 14-16, in terms of numbers at risk and this being the evolutionary age of being most fertile. Younger girls dressed up can pass themselves at being this age. Straight men going out with these catwalk models probably like they could look that young, but still be legal. Calvin Klein - was mixed up with some ad campaign roundly crucified for pushing peadophilia. His own sexuality ranges from being married to now going out with a young man?? Unless that last bit was a joke, his sexuality is all over the place.

    I suppose the best way to judge the difference gay designers make as opposed to their straight counter-parts in other creative fields is the difference between catwalk models and playboy centrefolds. Apparently both have the ideal waist-to-hip ratio but look so different. But both are the products of mans objectification.

    The other way would be imagine if there were no gay men in the fashion would the models look different? I mean I don't know about you, I think straight/straight men would prefer them like playboy centrefolds in terms of shape and size, sure they could fancy skinny too, but on the whole? I mean do clothes really look good on flat skinny models? Size zero's origins may be not gay in nature but they have ran away with the idea. Perhaps they want peoples attention on the clothes rather than on curves but they are being aimed at women who are never going to look like the catwalk models.




    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #137 - February 17, 2012, 01:39 AM


    Yes I would like to rephrase post 134 - that was thinking on the hoof. The theory goes that a man's sexuality would impact his visual needs. Especially a creative man. Which those in the fashion and media world tend to be - a field over-represented by homosexuals, especially fashion. Now lets say you were one of these men, now I can't speak for a gay man lol, but if he thinks with his dick/eyes what sort of people does he want to be surrounded by. If his pallete is men, then he would indeed pick men who looked like men, those meatier types allat allludes us to, but if his pallete is women then the next best thing is to make those women look more male-like. Making them look like men is not on the cards, but with the BMI's to be met, they look androgynous/adolescent boy/young male to fulfil the visual needs for a creative person to be truly creative. It would be like picking the mature or teen section of your favourite pornsite.

    There is a fine line between peadophilia/ephebophiles/hebephiles, all involve the young. I'd say the most vulnerable ages are 14-16, in terms of numbers at risk and this being the evolutionary age of being most fertile. Younger girls dressed up can pass themselves at being this age. Straight men going out with these catwalk models probably like they could look that young, but still be legal. Calvin Klein - was mixed up with some ad campaign roundly crucified for pushing peadophilia. His own sexuality ranges from being married to now going out with a young man?? Unless that last bit was a joke, his sexuality is all over the place.

    I suppose the best way to judge the difference gay designers make as opposed to their straight counter-parts in other creative fields is the difference between catwalk models and playboy centrefolds. Apparently both have the ideal waist-to-hip ratio but look so different. But both are the products of mans objectification.

    The other way would be imagine if there were no gay men in the fashion would the models look different? I mean I don't know about you, I think straight/straight men would prefer them like playboy centrefolds in terms of shape and size, sure they could fancy skinny too, but on the whole? I mean do clothes really look good on flat skinny models? Size zero's origins may be not gay in nature but they have ran away with the idea. Perhaps they want peoples attention on the clothes rather than on curves but they are being aimed at women who are never going to look like the catwalk models.


    Um yeah, I give up.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #138 - February 17, 2012, 01:43 AM

    Have an educational experience. Google up "gay porn". Check out the men involved, and see if they are skinny and don't have any bottoms.{/quote}

    Lol, i think I have explained this in my previous post. Thinking on the hoof.

    ETA: Incidentally, Christian Dior was a gay male.
    So it's not as simple as "gay male fashion designers want their models to look like boys".
    [/quote]

    One swallow does not make a summer. Possibly all men go through phases, older you get, more phases you get through, or is to get a better and better buzz. Still think there is something in the, what I believe to be true, fact that for hundreds and thousands, if not millions of years of our evolution, our bodies were set up to live for 40-45 years, i think men have been handed an extra forty years and viagara.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #139 - February 17, 2012, 01:59 AM

    So do you think all men go through a gay phase at sometime during their lifetime provided they get past their 40's?   grin12

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #140 - February 17, 2012, 02:05 AM

    One swallow does not make a summer.


    Obsession with gay men + you said "swallow" = ur gay

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #141 - February 17, 2012, 02:10 AM

    Osmanthus

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    I've never heard anyone say that, and some stereotypes are bullshit. The problem with stereotypes is that they rely on taking a characteristic that is displayed by some members of a group, and attempt to extrapolate it to being representative of the entire group.


    Lol, an attempt at self-deprecation backfires, yes you are right. Stereotypes surely must have a kernal of truth. Like the streotype of a racist who in his/her defence says he has a black friend, i reckon most of them do.

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    That expression means you refuse to have anything to do with homosexuals.


    Doh <smacks forehead with palm>, never used it before. Well you live and learn. Some might say a freudian slip.

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    I've never noticed that we had a "gay lobby" here. We have some gay people, who expect others to not spout outrageous bullshit.


    It seems that when it comes to homosexuality we have to be PC, on every occassion, or is that just me who has to be? Other groups of people are not afforded that right.

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    If there is nothing really wrong with them being "over-represented" then why keep banging on about it? All you're saying is "Hey guys, I found out something which I regard as totally irrelevant!"


    Totally irrelevant ?- not necessarily totally irrelevant when it comes to the influence/pressure  or not they have on the presence of size-zero models.

    Gonna log-off, may not tackle the rest of your post tomorrow but at some point.





    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #142 - February 17, 2012, 02:21 AM

    So do you think all men go through a gay phase at sometime during their lifetime provided they get past their 40's?   grin12


    Hi Maya

    What men who are straight/straight to begin with? Going to gay is a long journey, but it is possible for some as obviously shown by Calvin Klien, though he had the time, money and clientele to embark upon it.. For others perhaps an experience with a shemale would be enough. For some perhaps gay thoughts once in a while. Perhaps there not phases just there all the time, just different environmental triggers bringing them on.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #143 - February 17, 2012, 02:24 AM






    Obsession with gay men + you said "swallow" = ur gay


    Honestly my 'obsession' is with the Media (straight and gay)and the sexualisation of children/young thereof. Rather not rant at homosexuals.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #144 - February 17, 2012, 04:18 AM

    It seems that when it comes to homosexuality we have to be PC, on every occassion, or is that just me who has to be? Other groups of people are not afforded that right.

    Not necessarily PC, but on the other hand it's not appreciated to behave as though thinking is an unnecessary inconvenience. It pays to check your assumptions against the evidence, and to adjust your conclusions if necessary.


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    Totally irrelevant ?- not necessarily totally irrelevant when it comes to the influence/pressure  or not they have on the presence of size-zero models.

    Since there seem to be a lot of gay men in the fashion industry, and since the fashion industry is pushing for skinnier and skinnier models then yes, it's likely that gay men are some of the people doing the pushing. That doesn't mean that nobody else in the fashion industry is pushing for skinnier and skinnier models, and it doesn't mean that the reason gay men are pushing is because of their sexual preferences per se.

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #145 - February 17, 2012, 04:36 AM

    Yes I would like to rephrase post 134 - that was thinking on the hoof. The theory goes that a man's sexuality would impact his visual needs. Especially a creative man. Which those in the fashion and media world tend to be - a field over-represented by homosexuals, especially fashion. Now lets say you were one of these men, now I can't speak for a gay man lol, but if he thinks with his dick/eyes what sort of people does he want to be surrounded by. If his pallete is men, then he would indeed pick men who looked like men, those meatier types allat allludes us to, but if his pallete is women then the next best thing is to make those women look more male-like. Making them look like men is not on the cards, but with the BMI's to be met, they look androgynous/adolescent boy/young male to fulfil the visual needs for a creative person to be truly creative. It would be like picking the mature or teen section of your favourite pornsite.

    Ok, fair enough as an initial wild guess, but now you can check it against the evidence. If you are correct, I would expect several things.

    First thing I would expect is that the gay men in question would be selecting their own lovers from the youngest, skinniest, and most boyish-looking males they could get their hands on. Is this actually the case in practice? If it isn't, then it is unlikely that they really have a preference for those types of males. If a gay man goes for beefcake for his own lovers, but want skinny girls for models when running a fashion show, it seems likely that his own sexual preferences are not the main driving factor behind the choice of models.

    Ok, so you say he can't make the models look like men. However, there are things he could do. For instance, if he wants to make them look like boys, then I would expect a strong selection pressure for androgenous faces. It doesn't seem to be there. Some models have androgenous faces, but a lot of them don't. A lot of them have very feminine faces. This would seem to be an indication that making the models look like boys isn't a major concern.

    The other thing is that, if a designer/director wanted to make the models look more like men, he could choose muscular amazons instead of skinny waifs. This doesn't happen either.


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    Size zero's origins may be not gay in nature but they have ran away with the idea.

    You're half right here. It isn't just gay men who have "run away with the idea" of skinny models. The women in the industry (and there are a lot of them too) seem to be just as responsible. Unless they are all lesbians with a fetish for anorexics then I doubt they are wanting skinny models to satisfy their own sexual predilections.

    However, the industry as a whole does seem to have been taking the concept of the ideal model to ridiculous levels. I think part of the reason may just be fashion. Fashions tend to get more extreme, until they reach they point where either everyone gets bored with them and wants something different, or they get so obviously insane that people refuse to go along with them.

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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #146 - February 17, 2012, 12:18 PM

    Skinny as they were, neither of the two catwalk models I have, er, known were remotely sexually interesting to the gay men they worked with.
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #147 - February 17, 2012, 02:13 PM

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    Skinny as they were, neither of the two catwalk models I have, er,.*stop*...


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    enquiring minds wanna know..
  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #148 - February 17, 2012, 07:49 PM

    Oh boy, i just wasted my time reading the whole thread and cringing at most of the DA's posts, The more he argues the more he makes fool out of himself as usual Roll Eyes


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  • Re: Isabelle Caro, the face of anorexia, dies at 28
     Reply #149 - February 17, 2012, 07:50 PM

    Wot she said. yes grin12

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