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 Topic: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th

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  • Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     OP - February 07, 2012, 02:25 PM

    At University College Cork in Ireland on 15th Feb.  The topic will be Islam vs Secularism... (pah! as if that's a question worth asking!)

    Is this the first ex-Muslim vs Muslim debate of its kind?  I wonder who invited who...

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  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #1 - February 07, 2012, 03:05 PM

    As obvious as the answer seems to anyone who isn't a selfish religious zealot, I really hope Maryam hones her arguments. Hamza seems like a slimy debater (Bill Craig's school).

    Have you heard the good news? There is no God!
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #2 - February 08, 2012, 06:04 PM

    Has Maryam cancelled?  If so, why?  Hamza just wrote this...

    Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
    Just heard that Maryam Namazie has asked the Atheist society in University College Cork (Ireland) to cancel the forthcoming debate on the 15 February. The debate was going to be on "Islam vs Secularism", both Adnan Rashid and myself where going to participate. So much for intellectual discourse and dialogue.


    .
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #3 - February 08, 2012, 11:29 PM

    The right decision, in my humble opinion.

    There's nothing worth discussing with pricks like Hamza. The whole event would turn into a spectacle with Hamza and Adnan using the bully pulpit to browbeat Ms. Namazi in front of a crowd composed largely of Islamist cheerleaders.

    The debate would also be used by said Islamists to lend credibility to their extremist theological views, and this "victory" over prominent secularists would be used as propoganda to fuel their cause.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #4 - February 08, 2012, 11:35 PM

    Would've been better if it wasn't even organised, now they can make it look like she chickened out.
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #5 - February 09, 2012, 12:40 AM

    If Hamza Tortoise is interested in "intellectual discourse and dialogue", then why the fuck did he (or Adnan) block TheRationalizer from commenting on their YouTube video a few months ago?

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #6 - February 09, 2012, 01:07 AM


    This is his tactic. 'Challenge' so and so, act like a buffoon, and then claim 'victory' by the reaction.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #7 - February 09, 2012, 02:25 AM

    I'm so sick of hearing about Hamza Jokebeard and his toadies. How am I supposed to live a peaceful life knowing there are dangerously dumb fucks like them in the world?

    And I don't what on earth possessed Maryam to agree to a debate with those two goons anyway. Even if Maryam had shown up, thrown down, and completely and unquestionably demolished the twin twats, they'd write their own version of events and claim a glorious victory for Team Dawah. Like they did when PZ Myers effortlessly made them look like fools.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #8 - February 09, 2012, 06:19 AM

    Maryam just write this in her blog...

    Hamza Tzortzis lies again

    Islamist Hamza Tzortzis has been bragging that he is to debate me on the 15 February on his Facebook page. I was more than happy to oblige especially since his gang looked so foolish the last time they tried to debate me at my talk on the Islamic Inquisition in Dublin.
    Today, though, I was told by the Atheist Society of the University College of Cork that the event was postponed since a topic could be agreed upon with the ‘Muslim Cultural Society’ (is that what they are calling demands for the Caliphate nowadays?) leaving no time for publicising the event.
    Anyway it seems that Tzortzis is now bragging that I have cancelled the event. Please, don’t flatter yourselves. It is usually your lot that goes about cancelling events because you don’t like free expression and what have you – not us.
    When Tzortzis suggested debating ‘Islam and Secularism: What is more rational’ I merely said that the comparison made no sense.  Islam is a belief; secularism is a principle for the separation of religion from the state and public institutions. I suggested that the debate could be ‘Theocracy and Secularism: what is more rational?’ but it seems any suggestion of a political nature were deemed ‘Islamophobic’ (go figure) or ended in a denial of the existence of theocracies.
    More interestingly, Tzortzis said he wanted to stay out of politics… Yeah right! Pull someone else’s leg please. I think it’s more likely that he doesn’t want to debate me…
    By the way, Hassan Radwan says he couldn’t resist responding to one of the sneering remarks about me on Tzortzis Facebook Page:
    Mayra Khaleeq said: ‘Maryam Namazie really has no rational philosophical and scientific arguments against religion. I am afraid that her talks border insanity. No offense to her, she has the right to be insane, but I have the right to reject insanity.’
    Hassan Radwan retorted: ‘Mayra Khaleeq – Yes, in a secular society you have the right to reject anything Maryam Namazie says and you have the right to publicly criticise her and any other beliefs or ideologies and you have the right to practice your faith, make Da’wah, build mosques and give public speeches and try to convert others etc… Would you grant her the same right – under an Islamic State – to apostate from Islam, campaign publicly on behalf of her beliefs, criticise Islam publicly and convince Muslims Islam is false?’
    Seriously, though, you have got to laugh. Those defending religion – and Islam at that – speaking of rational, philosophical, and scientific arguments. And I’m insane?

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2012/02/09/hamza-tzortzis-lies-again/

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  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #9 - February 09, 2012, 09:50 AM

    Are not these references to "tortoise" tortoisist?  I mean, they helped Darwin come to his conclusions on Galapagos!

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #10 - February 09, 2012, 10:43 AM

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    Mayra Khaleeq said: ‘Maryam Namazie really has no rational philosophical and scientific arguments against religion. I am afraid that her talks border insanity. No offense to her, she has the right to be insane, but I have the right to reject insanity.’


    Typical Ad hominem attack Roll Eyes

    Quote
    More interestingly, Tzortzis said he wanted to stay out of politics… Yeah right! Pull someone else’s leg please. I think it’s more likely that he doesn’t want to debate me…


    Hamza is a coward, he knows he is not going to win the debate.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #11 - February 09, 2012, 12:32 PM

    A follower of a child rapist shouldn't talk about sanity. How dare these Muslim apologists talk about reason, sanity and intellectual discourses?


    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #12 - February 09, 2012, 05:16 PM

    why would she or anybody with half a brain cell share a platform with this extremist homophobic hate monger hamza?

    to participate in a public events with pseudo-intellectuals like hamza n rashid is putting their ideas on a level pegging to yours. That's already a victory for them to been seen having public dialogue with people far superior to them intellectually and morally. You're also granting them a free publicity that they wouldn't get otherwise by allowing yourself to be seen in a public discourse with them.

    That fat twat jamshed from iera was making a case for a wiki page for tortoise boy because he'd engaged in dialogue with Dawkins n Myers. He thinks ambushing people in the streets is hamzas claim to fame lol ...

    It's time all intellectuals shun & blacklist promoters of superstition, fantasy and mythology.
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #13 - February 09, 2012, 06:04 PM

    If it wasn't for anonymity issues then I'd love to debate with Hamza.  But then again that's all Hamza deserves, laymen like me rather than real intellectuals like Dawkins/Myers.

    .
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #14 - February 09, 2012, 06:08 PM

    I don't even see why she agreed in the first place, there is no validity to give to them in the first place. If anything giving them a platform, makes some think they actually have some veracity. Debate is about rhetoric, it is not about establishing truth it is about being able to convince the audience, Muslims are apt at spewing bullshit to bamboozle the largely majority Muslim audience, this debate would have ended in the typical fashion no matter what the outcome the Muslim group calming victory.

     Incidentally, this is pretty indicative of the Muslim mentality, recently I watched a debate between some Deobandis and Berwlais and that ended up in insults being thrown around to each other and both parties calming victory. Here is the full debate so you know I am not making this up (in Urdu): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udDcE5ssNPg lol
          
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #15 - February 09, 2012, 06:21 PM

    I don't even see why she agreed in the first place, there is no validity to give to them in the first place. If anything giving them a platform, makes some think they actually have some veracity. Debate is about rhetoric, it is not about establishing truth it is about being able to convince the audience, Muslims are apt at spewing bullshit to bamboozle the largely majority Muslim audience, this debate would have ended in the typical fashion no matter what the outcome the Muslim group calming victory.

     Incidentally, this is pretty indicative of the Muslim mentality, recently I watched a debate between some Deobandis and Berwlais and that ended up in insults being thrown around to each other and both parties calming victory. Here is the full debate so you know I am not making this up (in Urdu): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udDcE5ssNPg lol
          

    Tut you watch those IDIOTS..? you have so much free time on your hand here watch all 20 of them

    Munazra : Sunni vs Deobandi. 1/ 20 ''Qabar par Azan'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAjo7yOQL6o

    that is one of 20 watch all 20? finmad finmad

    Are you a  bum?? don't you have anything to do in life..   Go and cook to your wife.. or take her for a good dinner..

    Damn

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj3rk1v7Hos&feature=related

    that is fun to watch.. i didn't know that  Cheesy Cheesy

    rascals...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #16 - February 09, 2012, 07:49 PM

    If it wasn't for anonymity issues then I'd love to debate with Hamza.  But then again that's all Hamza deserves, laymen like me rather than real intellectuals like Dawkins/Myers.


    You and Maryam  - as Ex-Muslims are actually - intellectually more "dangerous" for dawagandists/Muslim apologists as Hamza Tortoise. Because even if you are a layman when it comes to science, you USED to be a Muslim.

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #17 - February 09, 2012, 08:18 PM

    I don't even see why she agreed in the first place, there is no validity to give to them in the first place. If anything giving them a platform, makes some think they actually have some veracity. Debate is about rhetoric, it is not about establishing truth it is about being able to convince the audience, Muslims are apt at spewing bullshit to bamboozle the largely majority Muslim audience, this debate would have ended in the typical fashion no matter what the outcome the Muslim group calming victory.


     Afro yes great
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #18 - February 09, 2012, 08:48 PM

    I don't even see why she agreed in the first place, there is no validity to give to them in the first place. If anything giving them a platform, makes some think they actually have some veracity. Debate is about rhetoric, it is not about establishing truth it is about being able to convince the audience, Muslims are apt at spewing bullshit to bamboozle the largely majority Muslim audience, this debate would have ended in the typical fashion no matter what the outcome the Muslim group calming victory.

     Incidentally, this is pretty indicative of the Muslim mentality, recently I watched a debate between some Deobandis and Berwlais and that ended up in insults being thrown around to each other and both parties calming victory. Here is the full debate so you know I am not making this up (in Urdu): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udDcE5ssNPg lol
          


    +1

     you dont even need to say the bolded part, you are totally right on that one. If a muslim debater can perform a mental gymnastic tricks,then in the eyes of muslims he is the winner whether he commited fallacy or not

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #19 - February 09, 2012, 08:48 PM

    You and Maryam  - as Ex-Muslims are actually - intellectually more "dangerous" for dawagandists/Muslim apologists as Hamza Tortoise. Because even if you are a layman when it comes to science, you USED to be a Muslim.

    I agree, I am more dangerous to Hamza than Dawkins and Myers.  Most of us on here are.  That's why he chickened out of debating with Rationalizer.

    .
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #20 - February 10, 2012, 02:00 AM

    This is why Christianity has lost all it's arguments. Ex christians like Dan Barker, John W Loftus, Matt Dillahaunty and many other ex christians debunked the **** out of the religion. 

    Islam deals with the apostate problem by killing apostates. And even in Western countries like Britain there are always muslim extremists waiting to carry out sharia law. Islam won't go away or reform until the ex muslims have their voice heard just as the ex christians have.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #21 - February 10, 2012, 09:18 PM

    Let's have an ex-muslim youtube uprising!!!  grin12
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #22 - February 11, 2012, 02:04 PM

    Tut you watch those IDIOTS..? you have so much free time on your hand here watch all 20 of them

    Munazra : Sunni vs Deobandi. 1/ 20 ''Qabar par Azan'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAjo7yOQL6o

    that is one of 20 watch all 20? finmad finmad

    Are you a  bum?? don't you have anything to do in life..   Go and cook to your wife.. or take her for a good dinner..

    Damn

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj3rk1v7Hos&feature=related

    that is fun to watch.. i didn't know that  Cheesy Cheesy

    rascals...


    You're right. I must be fucking epically crazy, I watched the whole series of debates. It was on Ustream and the fans of each side were just throwing insults at each other, it was more of a shouting match then a debate. Ridicule sometimes is the best form of criticism. So I was in the middle just mocking both sides it was so entertaining, they started to accuse me of being a Shi'itte. LOL 
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #23 - February 11, 2012, 02:24 PM

    Is this the thread where I can say good luck, and I wish I was there?  Afro

    Looking forward to reports next week, too.  thnkyu

    "And you, you are a fantasy, a view from where you'd like to think the world should see, just be true, and you will likely find a few building a vision, doing justice to our times."
    Roy Harper, addressing the doorstep evangelists, dawa-doers and other self-appointed representitives.
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #24 - February 11, 2012, 02:40 PM

    I agree, I am more dangerous to Hamza than Dawkins and Myers.  Most of us on here are.  That's why he chickened out of debating with Rationalizer.

     No no he didn't chicken out., That Hamza TORTOISE is looking for a big fish so he can put that on his CV to sell it to Muslim fools and may be sell it  to Muslim oil barons to make some money., In his view   Rationalizer is not that big fish., Debating Maryam Namazie  makes him a celebrity in that mindless Islamic world.  So that is the bottom line with fools like these.,

    Ideally what one should do is a WRITTEN DEBATE with these fools.  other wise in public debate on a platform they run around  Arabic words and their multiple meanings to a given word and they do that in circles.. you can never end a debate with these fools..  he did that recently  to Prof .  Hoodbhoy in Pakistan..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOW41gVCkco

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #25 - February 13, 2012, 10:26 AM

    .....
    Ideally what one should do is a WRITTEN DEBATE with these fools.  other wise in public debate on a platform they run around  Arabic words and their multiple meanings to a given word and they do that in circles.. you can never end a debate with these fools..  he did that recently  to Prof .  Hoodbhoy in Pakistan..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOW41gVCkco

    Absolutely Afro, Y'Z'V'  Afro, now I see what this thread is about.

    So where is the thread about Saturday?  From someone who only had 5 minutes from Carlyle, Cumbria, on Saturday to find the wrong thread (this one) - and was entirely successful - where would I have found the right thread?

    I'll go and have a look now and see if it's obvious visibility makes me cringe or simply makes me waste some money on my own internet connection. cool2

    Oh shit,  mysmilie_977 only ten minutes left.

    "And you, you are a fantasy, a view from where you'd like to think the world should see, just be true, and you will likely find a few building a vision, doing justice to our times."
    Roy Harper, addressing the doorstep evangelists, dawa-doers and other self-appointed representitives.
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #26 - February 13, 2012, 10:56 AM

    A 'largely majority Muslim audience'. In Cork?

    Truly the mind boggles.
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #27 - February 13, 2012, 12:31 PM

    Absolutely Afro, Y'Z'V'  Afro, now I see what this thread is about.

    So where is the thread about Saturday?  From someone who only had 5 minutes from Carlyle, Cumbria, on Saturday to find the wrong thread (this one) - and was entirely successful - where would I have found the right thread?

    I'll go and have a look now and see if it's obvious visibility makes me cringe or simply makes me waste some money on my own internet connection. cool2

    Oh shit,  mysmilie_977 only ten minutes left.

    I know internet connection is a terrible problem and expensive peaceheretic.,  And I am sorry to know that you are spending money to read yeezevee's posts ..links and what not.. PLEASE STOP READING POSTS ., you can block the person in Ignore user option under "PROFILE"., so that you don't see " yeezevee" posts..

    any ways these two  characters (Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid) happily living in west with UK passports and UK govt support and if they get in to trouble in foreign countries UK Govt and its Embassy will put resources to get them out., But that is not the case when they go foreign lands like Pakistan and challenge a Physics professor  like Hoodbhoy ., He has no help from his govt if he speaks a SINGLE word against Islam and Its current politics.  Indeed recently these two Islamic Charlatans  did put Dr.  Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy in trouble in Land of pure.  This is what happened

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    ........... We had an unpublicised impromptu debate between Br. Hamza and Pervez Hoodhboy at LUMS today. The comments below contain some accounts of how it went.Firstly, I think a better topic should have been chosen, keeping in view the sort of person Hoodhboy is and the beliefs he holds. Throughout the debate, he steered clear of tackling the points Hamza made and generally kept a strategy of moving the deb...ate in his own direction.

    On the flip side, I can relate to Hamza in that he came from Islamabad just to debate this guy and instead of dealing with the points Hamza made or tackling them, he decided to completely ignore them. That's not something very intellectually respectful to do.

    In the end, as has been mentioned earlier, Hoodhboy blew his lid when Br. Hamza said Hoodhboy hated the Muslim world (which is the idea you naturally come to derive if you read any of his work). Hoodhboy, took advantage of this outright statement by Hamza and rose from his seat saying he never said that and that Hamza was wrong. He even told Hamza to "shut up" and then stormed out of the room telling him he was wrong.

    But Alhamdulillah, shortly after this Br. Hamza engaged the audience on on one and a large group of people surrounded him to ask questions, seek clarifications and comment on the event. However, much of the audience was thoroughly impressed by what Br. Hamza had to say and Alhamdulillah we even managed to record some very positive video testimonials by the attendees. People inquired about other events and sessions we were having and we detailed them on that, Alhamdulillah and soon after, left the venue.

    I am sure you know about this Alhamdulilla  crowd of LUMS..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #28 - February 13, 2012, 01:28 PM

    "A real scholar reads more than one book" - Richard Dawkins on the 11th February protest

    "I measured the skies, now the shadows I measure,
    Sky-bound was the mind, earth-bound the body rests."
    [Kepler's epitaph]
  • Re: Maryam Namazie to debate Hamza Tzortzis & Adnan Rashid in Ireland - Feb 15th
     Reply #29 - February 13, 2012, 04:40 PM

    I was trying to put some of the points councured in many books to the characters who organised the Shiekh Faisal segregated rant I once attended.  I was trying to apply the spirit of this place to my conversation with them which I regarded as my personal 11th of September just had to have it on the 12th the sunday which is when Mohammad and Shabir and the rest of the local dawa-doers put up their paste-board in Blackburn Town centre.

    All I can report is that Mohammad the the Pizza man and main organiser insists of those days "That was then, Patrick!"

    Mmmm

    "And you, you are a fantasy, a view from where you'd like to think the world should see, just be true, and you will likely find a few building a vision, doing justice to our times."
    Roy Harper, addressing the doorstep evangelists, dawa-doers and other self-appointed representitives.
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