I am a Muslim and I would like to be my religion to be disproved?

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Reply #60 - March 09, 2012, 03:27 PM

wow yeez! im impressed with that apology!
THAT is true humility, THAT is true rational thinking,
THAT is awesome!

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Reply #61 - March 10, 2012, 12:18 AM

Muslimman .. today i was thinkig about the following and remembered verses
in the bible that had similar content, from the Talmud AND the New Testament.

This is an example of possible "plagerism" on the part of Islam Where else
would they get the notion of rocks and trees crying out?

Sahih Muslim
Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (mp)
as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims
will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them
until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree
and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah,
there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad
would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

And here's the scriptures similar in ref to to rocks/trees talking or
crying out:

Joshua 24:27 "See!" he said to all the people.
"This stone will be a witness against us. It has heard all
the words the LORD has said to us. It will be a witness against
you if you are untrue to your God."

Habakkuk 2:11

For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the
timber shall answer it.

Luke 19:38-40

38 “Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the
Lord!”“Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!”
39 Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus,
“Teacher, rebuke your disciples!”

40 “I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the stones
will cry out.”

Revelations 6:16

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us
from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the
wrath of the Lamb:

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Reply #62 - March 10, 2012, 03:15 AM

Muslimman,

As one who left Christianity over the course of several years, I entirely sympathize with thy feelings. It is horrible to have one's religion revealed as false.

The following passage is, I think, one of my favourite quotations, simply because it can be used to critique so many religious and traditional practices.

Master Mozi said, “This is what's called treating habit as appropriate and custom as morally right. Formerly, east of Yue there was the country of Gai Shu. When their first son was born, they dismembered and ate him, calling this an obligation to his brothers. When their grandfather died, they carried off their grandmother and abandoned her, saying, ‘One cannot live with the wife of a ghost.’ These were treated as policy above and as custom below, performed without ceasing and held onto without letting go. But how can these really be the way of what is humane and right?” (Book 25, “Thrift in Funerals”)

Please consider, therefore, whether a god whom thou believest in would condone the sort of atrocities in the Qu'ran. To me, the commandments of gods have as little relevance to true standards of morality as those of the forgotten gods of the forgotten land of Gai Shu. I have the Buddha, the dhamma, and the Sangha to guide me. Gods become irrelevant once one has a good moral code.

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Reply #63 - March 11, 2012, 11:10 AM

I am only apologizing because I am still thinking about religion. It's been on my mind for a while. Ever since the Muhammad cartoons incident, I have been thinking about Islam.

I've always wondered that if Islam was the true religion of God then people shouldn't fight over how one should pray or about religious matters. There should be uniformity on how people practice their religion. But you see instead people who drink alcohol and hypocritically say that Islam is the best religion and the west is bad.

I currently live in Karachi, Pakistan. After seeing that the rich elite of Karachi aren't even practicing their religion (they drink alcohol, go to parties, dance with women), that made me realize that Islam is used mostly to keep the lower and the middle class of Pakistan from getting out of control.

I'm so angry at the so-called Imams for being hypocrites and paying lip-service to humanity by not condemning terrorist attacks which hit other Imams and innocent people who may not agree with Al-Qaida or the Taliban. Also for turning a blind eye on rape in madrassas.

To be honest, I might not have an answer to tell you guys about whether I have changed my mind on religion anytime soon. I know there is no rational basis for Islam, just like all the other religions. But I have a personal attachment to this religion. I am not really a practising Muslim, this religion has been in my family since it's inception. I feel like I would lose this strong cultural heritage that I have inherited by announcing my disbelief.

I really love the fact that you guys pour out your feelings on this forum about religion in general. It's given me a lot of confidence to confront these problems head on. I would love it if you guys could continue posting on this topic so that I could communicate my thoughts to you guys.
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Reply #64 - March 11, 2012, 11:27 AM

I recommend 50 voices of disbelief - why we are atheists, edited by Blackford and Schuklenk. It is 50 short essays, many of which discuss this love of the religion and the contrast with reality. Available on kindle.

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

A.A. Milne,

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Reply #65 - March 11, 2012, 03:25 PM

Muslimman

read this:

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islam_Commentary_Khaybar.Islam

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Reply #66 - March 11, 2012, 03:35 PM

Prophet of doom isn't very objective-there are much better objective historiographies than that. Klingschor is doing some good work with his videos on youtube atm as l'orientalist.

Sorry:

http://www.youtube.com/lorientalist
http://www.youtube.com/klingschor

I wish Klingschor would post here more often.

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Reply #67 - March 11, 2012, 04:31 PM

sprout... post the links please

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Reply #68 - March 11, 2012, 05:31 PM

Ah, I am glad that thou art questioning thy religion.

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