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OP - February 24, 2012, 01:11 PM

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Son who stabbed Chadwell Heath imam Mohammed Rahman to death facing jail

Thursday, February 23, 2012
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A teenager who stabbed his Muslim cleric father to death in a row over the family TV is facing years behind bars today.

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Moynul Haque, 18, attacked Mohammed Rahman, 43, with a kitchen knife before making a tearful 999 call in which he admitted: “I used a knife... killed him”.

Haque knifed his father, the imam at Chadwell Heath Educational and Cultural Society, Grove Road, Chadwell Heath, after the older man became enraged when he found the teenager had moved the family’s TV set into his bedroom.

Mr Rahman brandished a curtain pole as he chased the teenager downstairs into the kitchen, where he received a single stab wound to the heart.

The cleric, who had previously worked at the Euston Mosque in central London, was taken to The Royal London Hospital in Whitechapel but died from his injuries five days later.

Haque, of no fixed address, was on trial at the Old Bailey accused of murder, but a guilty plea to a lesser charge of manslaughter was accepted on the fourth day of the case.

He will be sentenced at Wood Green Crown Court on March 22.

Violence flared at around 8pm on September 30 at the family’s home in Melford Avenue, Barking, said prosecutor Philip Bennetts.

Haque’s mother, who had been married to the victim for 12 years, came upstairs to find the pair quarrelling, the court heard.

After an “exchange of words”, Mr Rahman punched his stepson and pushed him onto the bed, at which point the teenager retaliated and pushed his victim to the floor.

Mr Rahman then picked up a curtain pole and chased Haque downstairs into the kitchen, where the teenager stabbed him in the heart.

Haque told a 999 operator who asked if the attacker was nearby: “Yeah, the person who attacked him is me.”

Malik Chowdhury, of the Chadwell Heath Educational and Cultural Society, said today: “He [Mr Rahman] was very popular in this area.

“He was a very good human being and we never heard anything bad about him.”

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Reply #1 - February 24, 2012, 02:38 PM

Thinking about this, is it even manslaughter? Might there be a self defence argument?

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Reply #2 - February 24, 2012, 02:38 PM

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Haque’s mother, who had been married to the victim for 12 years, came upstairs to find the pair quarrelling, the court heard.

After an “exchange of words”, Mr Rahman punched his stepson and pushed him onto the bed, at which point the teenager retaliated and pushed his victim to the floor.

Mr Rahman then picked up a curtain pole and chased Haque downstairs into the kitchen, where the teenager stabbed him in the heart.

Haque told a 999 operator who asked if the attacker was nearby: “Yeah, the person who attacked him is me.”

Malik Chowdhury, of the Chadwell Heath Educational and Cultural Society, said today: “He [Mr Rahman] was very popular in this area.

“He was a very good human being and we never heard anything bad about him.”

Well sorry that happened but people on this earth specially in Islamic world understand very little of trauma that STEP SONS and STEP DAUGHTERS UNDERGO.. some of them have scars for life . In Islam it is worse growing up as step son in the society and on top of it you get abused by these so-called step fathers or step mother .. life is worse

Sorry he may have been GOOD PERSON..GOOD IMAM but i can see that HE WAS VERY VERY BAD STEP FATHER..

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Reply #3 - February 24, 2012, 02:56 PM

I'm going to speak from my own experience that it was the father who himself pushed the teenager to such a limit and little is said in defence of him. Most of the time, my father has been so cruel towards me that I myself thought about stabbing him several times. Even once in the U.K he beat me up and I had to call the police who then let him go on the count that I swore at him and that somehow justified things. In another dispute, I attacked both of them and the police let me off with the caution mainly because it was my first offence and that the previous experience didn't make the law clear to me at all.

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Reply #4 - February 24, 2012, 03:02 PM

Quote from: moi on February 24, 2012, 02:38 PM
Thinking about this, is it even manslaughter? Might there be a self defence argument?

I'd like to know this too, sad story.

My father was violent too, I might defend myself sometimes but I don't think could attack him. Not necessarily because of love but because the violence would get worse. I think most Muslim parents from Islamic are this way.
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Reply #5 - February 24, 2012, 03:07 PM

Self defence (if he can prove it), is a partial defence and takes murder down to the higher manslaughter (voluntary). He's so unlucky that he's 18 because if he was a bit younger it would have been a lesser crime.

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Reply #6 - February 24, 2012, 07:29 PM

Without knowing more about the history between them it's hard to make any real assessment. However, it seems from the son's reaction that he didn't really want to kill the father. Sad case, anyway.

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Reply #7 - February 24, 2012, 08:38 PM

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Reply #8 - February 26, 2012, 01:05 PM

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My father was violent too, I might defend myself sometimes but I don't think could attack him. Not necessarily because of love but because the violence would get worse. I think most Muslim parents from Islamic are this way.

I must ask is bias sampling happening here? Are the members of this forum more likely to have experienced violence or is violence actually endemic in a way that is not the case with other groups?

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

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