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  • Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     OP - February 26, 2012, 12:13 PM

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/26/olympic-outrage-saudi-women-athletes

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    Saudi Arabia has been accused of breaching the spirit of the Olympic movement by discriminating against women in sport and failing to bring a female team to the 2012 London Games.


    Talk about surreal!

    Quote
    a report by Human Rights Watch highlighted the way in which Saudi Arabian women and girls are denied the right to sport.

    The report found that, despite pledges to open up more sporting opportunity to women, "the Saudi government continues to flagrantly deny women and girls their right to practise physical education in schools and to practise recreational and competitive sport more generally".

    Based on telephone interviews with Saudi women, the report says that, having introduced schooling for girls in the early 1960s, the country "never added physical education classes to the girls' curriculum".

    Those fighting for change have faced opposition at every turn. "Opponents of sports for women and girls put forward the 'slippery slope' argument that, once women start to exercise, they will shed modest clothing, spend 'unnecessary' time out of the house and have increased possibilities for mingling with men," the report says.

    "Others propose endless conditions for women and girls practising sport (for example that they must wear modest clothing and engage in sports away from the prying eyes of men)."

    Because women are banned from driving in Saudia Arabia, their ability to get to gyms or sports events is further limited. "Saudi Arabia's strict clothing requirements for women are a further impediment," it adds. "Outdoors, a woman must wear a black cloak called an abaya, covering her from head to toe." One woman told Human Rights Watch that a marathon was held a few years ago in which women could participate only if they wore the abaya.


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #1 - February 26, 2012, 01:58 PM

    good.. they should be banned..

    saudi arabia can go ... da finga .. itself..
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #2 - February 26, 2012, 02:15 PM

    good.. they should be banned..

    saudi arabia can go ... da finga .. itself..

    Nope..

    Without the support of America  Saudi Arabia would not be what it is to day..

    So give the ... da finga .. to America  ..

    or may be cut the finger with sword stick one end  in to Saudi rulers  and other end into rulers of America   

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #3 - February 26, 2012, 03:51 PM

    A few months ago they were saying they would send women to the olympics, and now they've changed their minds? -_-

    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/11/18/177805.html

  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #4 - February 26, 2012, 03:55 PM

    saudi arabia can go ... dafinga .. itself..

    Why oh why did they have to win the oil lottery?
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #5 - February 26, 2012, 05:30 PM

    Are nearby countries allowed to sponsor athletes from a country that has banned them?  Say, what if that equestrian woman competes with Israel?


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #6 - February 26, 2012, 05:34 PM

    good.. they should be banned..

    saudi arabia can go ... da finga .. itself..


    this

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #7 - February 26, 2012, 05:47 PM

    I don't know, I despise the Saudi regime and can't wait for the day that it goes down the garbage disposal of history, but banning any government which discriminates against a group of people would leave very few countries for the Olympics.

    But I can understand the rationale behind such a ban,

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #8 - February 26, 2012, 05:50 PM

    good.. they should be banned..

    saudi arabia can go ... da finga .. itself..

    this


    I second that too +2

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #9 - February 26, 2012, 05:58 PM

    Why oh why did they have to win the oil lottery?

    It's more like a curse.
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #10 - February 26, 2012, 07:07 PM

    What will banning achieve though? Further isolation won't improve the retardedness of this country.
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #11 - February 26, 2012, 07:27 PM

    ^Would you apply the same sort of logic when it comes to other countries that abuse human rights - institutionally and otherwise?

    Like Israel for example?
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #12 - February 26, 2012, 08:02 PM

    No, I wouldn't support banning such countries from international events.
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #13 - February 27, 2012, 12:31 AM

    It's more like a curse.

    For them and every country their money is piped into.
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #14 - February 27, 2012, 01:37 AM

    What will banning achieve though? Further isolation won't improve the retardedness of this country.


    No, but it will ensure that female athletes participate from EVERY country that is in the Olympic Games. Why does SA get a pass?

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #15 - February 27, 2012, 03:37 AM

    I really hope this country gets banned. But I am looking forward to the day this country would be able to hold "co-ed" Olympics.

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #16 - February 27, 2012, 07:12 AM

    It is worse than I realised - what if you are a disabled woman Saudi paralympian?

    Quote
    Saudi Arabia made its Paralympic Games début at the 1996 Summer Paralympics in Atlanta, with two competitors in powerlifting. The country has participated in every subsequent edition of the Summer Paralympics, but has never entered the Winter Paralympics. All Saudis have competed in athletics or powerlifting.[1]

    Saudi Arabia has won a total of two medals, both through Osamah Alshanqiti in 2008. Alshanqiti was the Kingdom's first Paralympic champion when he set a world record of 15.37m in the triple jump, F12 category. His other medal was a silver in the long jump, with a result of 7.06m, behind South Africa's Hilton Langenhoven (7.31m).[2]

    Saudi Arabia has only ever sent male athletes to compete in the Paralympics, as women in the country are barred from taking part in international sports events. There has reportedly been some pressure on the country to allow women competitors for the 2012 Games[3], but when a delegation of Saudi Arabia's Disabled Sports Federation Powerlifting Team visited the facilities for the London Games in 2009, its athletes were all men.[4]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia_at_the_Paralympics

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #17 - February 27, 2012, 09:34 AM

    They should also ban Pakistan for being a terrorist supporter
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #18 - February 27, 2012, 02:04 PM

    It's more like a curse.

    Well, I guess Saudi Arabia without oil would be somehow kind of like Somalia (extreme poverty, inner fighting and militant Islamism), so I wouldn't say it's a curse to them.
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #19 - February 27, 2012, 02:09 PM

    I doubt it, Somalia isn't in the state that it's in purely because it's an Islamic country without resources (that's not even true in the first place).

    We can't really guess that well, but I would imagine Saudi Arabia to be smaller countries without oil, some of them more prosperous due to their proximity to water or other resources, and some of them purely anarchist tribal desert-dwelling states.

    Anyway, another reason I wouldn't support a ban is because while the target isi the Saudi regime, the actual victims are Saudi athletes rather than any regime, it won't send a real message. If you wanted to send a message to the regime you could just stop buying their oil altogether-I don't see that happening any time soon.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #20 - February 27, 2012, 02:57 PM

    No, but it will ensure that female athletes participate from EVERY country that is in the Olympic Games. Why does SA get a pass?


    I don't care about the Olympics. I do care about Saudi progressing overall and things changing for the women dramatically. Banning sportsmen who have no say in what the govt. or clerics say/implement isn't the solution. If you ban them from the Olympics it pretty much means the very little funding they have for sports drying up and used for other things which could mean even less sports for men & women domestic or abroad. A woman did participate in the 2010 youth Olympics for Saudi, she got a bronze medal in the Equestrian event, how did that come about? It certainly wasn't thanks to ludicrous calls for bans by retards on CEMB.


    If you wanted to send a message to the regime you could just stop buying their oil altogether-I don't see that happening any time soon.


    Thats far too logical for retards and it would involve electing politicians who practise what they preach, besides how many economies would fuck up if there was no Saudi oil on the market?  Roll Eyes
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #21 - February 27, 2012, 03:01 PM

    It certainly wasn't thanks to ludicrous calls for bans by retards on CEMB.


    I'm not a retard, you are.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #22 - February 27, 2012, 03:12 PM

    That wasn't directed at you  Tongue
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #23 - February 27, 2012, 04:04 PM

    good.. they should be banned..

    saudi arabia can go ... da finga .. itself..

  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #24 - February 27, 2012, 04:10 PM

    I doubt it, Somalia isn't in the state that it's in purely because it's an Islamic country without resources (that's not even true in the first place).

    We can't really guess that well, but I would imagine Saudi Arabia to be smaller countries without oil, some of them more prosperous due to their proximity to water or other resources, and some of them purely anarchist tribal desert-dwelling states.

    Anyway, another reason I wouldn't support a ban is because while the target isi the Saudi regime, the actual victims are Saudi athletes rather than any regime, it won't send a real message. If you wanted to send a message to the regime you could just stop buying their oil altogether-I don't see that happening any time soon.

  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #25 - February 27, 2012, 04:40 PM

    If you wanted to send a message to the regime you could just stop buying their oil altogether-I don't see that happening any time soon.


    I try to buy from Citgo or Hess when possible. Used to try to buy from Sunoco too, but those bastards are closing down all their (profitable) refineries to become simply a gas station company slapping their label on other companies' fuel, putting friends of mine at the South Philly refinery down the road from where I used to live out of work, very good paying union jobs they are unlikely to get anything even remotely comparable to after it shuts down-- so fuck them. If you don't mind buying your oil from Russia, there's also Lukoil.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #26 - February 27, 2012, 04:46 PM

    BTW, I didn't anyone as an individual, I meant moralising governments who complain about what other countries are doing to their people.

    But I respect and admire your ability to shop ethically.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #27 - February 29, 2012, 09:53 AM

    I don't care about the Olympics. I do care about Saudi progressing overall and things changing for the women dramatically. Banning sportsmen who have no say in what the govt. or clerics say/implement isn't the solution. If you ban them from the Olympics it pretty much means the very little funding they have for sports drying up and used for other things which could mean even less sports for men & women domestic or abroad. A woman did participate in the 2010 youth Olympics for Saudi, she got a bronze medal in the Equestrian event, how did that come about? It certainly wasn't thanks to ludicrous calls for bans by retards on CEMB.

    It certainly isn't the panacea you are looking for. It is, however, an uncompromising defence of the Olympic Charter:

    Fundamental Principles of Olympism

    1. Olympism is a philosophy of life, exalting and combining in a balanced whole the qualities of body, will and mind. Blending sport with culture and education, Olympism seeks to create a way of life based on the joy of effort, the educational value of good example, social responsibility and respect for universal fundamental ethical principles.

    2. The goal of Olympism is to place sport at the service of the harmonious development of humankind, with a view to promoting a peaceful society concerned with the preservation of human dignity.

    3. The Olympic Movement is the concerted, organised, universal and permanent action, carried out under the supreme authority of the IOC, of all individuals and entities who are inspired by the values of Olympism. It covers the five continents. It reaches its peak with the bringing together of the world’s athletes at the great sports festival, the Olympic Games. Its symbol is five interlaced rings.

    4. The practice of sport is a human right. Every individual must have the possibility of practising sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play.

    5. Recognising that sport occurs within the framework of society, sports organisations within the Olympic Movement shall have the rights and obligations of autonomy, which include freely establishing and controlling the rules of sport, determining the structure and governance of their organisations, enjoying the right of elections free from any outside influence and the responsibility for ensuring that principles of good governance be applied.

    6. Any form of discrimination with regard to a country or a person on grounds of race, religion, politics, gender or otherwise is incompatible with belonging to the Olympic Movement.

    7. Belonging to the Olympic Movement requires compliance with the Olympic Charter and recognition by the IOC.

    I know, right? Ludicrous, illogical and retarded.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #28 - February 29, 2012, 10:23 AM

    The Olympic Charter suddenly matters now? It certainly didn't for decades, lulz, so why start now? And I think many countries, especially those in Africa and Asia (unsurprisingly most would be muslim countries) should be banned too.

    Quote
    4. The practice of sport is a human right.Every individual must have the possibility of practising sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play.



    I think political pressure would have more of an impact than any ban from an event they don't really care about. Since you're such a big fan of the British monarch, why not ask the Queen-the head of state, to put some pressure on the Saudis? Or is that too ludicrous, illogical and retarded? It is afterall the British monarch who bought these sharia implementing sheikhs to power Smiley   

    But we all know that's not going to happen, so its best to accept Saudi being in the Olympics.
  • Re: Saudi Arabia to be banned from Olympics?
     Reply #29 - February 29, 2012, 10:43 AM

    The Olympic Charter suddenly matters now? It certainly didn't for decades, lulz, so why start now? And I think many countries, especially those in Africa and Asia (unsurprisingly most would be muslim countries) should be banned too.

    1964: South Africa banned from Olympics

    I think political pressure would have more of an impact than any ban from an event they don't really care about.

    I wasn't aware that the ban was part of a movement for social and political change in Saudi Arabia. Can you tell me where this aim was stated by the IOC?

    Since you're such a big fan of the British monarch, why not ask the Queen-the head of state, to put some pressure on the Saudis? Or is that too ludicrous, illogical and retarded? It is afterall the British monarch who bought these sharia implementing sheikhs to power Smiley

    Irrelevant straw-clutching. You're better than that.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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