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OP - February 27, 2012, 03:14 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9105788/Fireman-Sam-creator-detained-at-airport-for-veil-comment-at-security-gate.html

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Fireman Sam creator detained at airport for veil comment at security gate

A retired fireman, and creator of the popular children's character, Fireman Sam, was detained at an airport for questioning why a veiled woman was not checked by security.

By Jason Lewis, Investigations Editor7:30AM GMT 26 Feb 2012

As David Jones arrived at the security gates at Gatwick airport, he was looking forward to getting through swiftly so he could enjoy lunch with his daughters before their flight.

Placing his belongings, including a scarf, into a tray to pass through the X-ray scanner he spotted a Muslim woman in hijab pass through the area without showing her face.

In a light-hearted aside to a security official who had been assisting him, he said: “If I was wearing this scarf over my face, I wonder what would happen.”

The quip proved to be a mistake. After passing through the gates, he was confronted by staff and accused of racism.

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Reply #1 - February 27, 2012, 03:16 PM

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Placing his belongings, including a scarf, into a tray to pass through the X-ray scanner he spotted a Muslim woman in hijab pass through the area without showing her face.

If she was wearing a hijab her face would be uncovered. Surely they mean she was wearing a burqa or niqab.

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Reply #2 - February 27, 2012, 03:22 PM

Quote from: moi on February 27, 2012, 03:14 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9105788/Fireman-Sam-creator-detained-at-airport-for-veil-comment-at-security-gate.html

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pathetic fools everywhere............. they can not even take jokes .. It is best for every one to go in burkha.. males ..females..dogs... all flying planes should go in niqab..

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Reply #3 - February 27, 2012, 03:24 PM

My thoughts? I think the people responsible for detaining this man should be arrested, charged with false imprisonment, and jailed themselves. I have zero sympathy for petty tyrants and idiots who abuse power granted to them by the state-- every single one who does should be subject to severe criminal penalties. There are a lot of cops, prosecutors, regulators, legislators, and judges who belong in prison.

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Reply #4 - February 27, 2012, 03:28 PM

I hate the phrase 'political correctness gone mad' because more often than not its used by reactionaries to try and dismiss genuine issues or exaggerate or caricature things to make a rhetorical point. But I think it kind of applies to this situation, if it is accurate as its described.

Stuff like this adds to mistrust in society too.

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Reply #5 - February 27, 2012, 04:22 PM

Not only is this unjust, but plain ridiculous. Like something from a comedy film.
Even if the remark was racist - are racist remarks illegal in the UK? Do they warrant an arrest, for real?

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Reply #6 - February 27, 2012, 05:37 PM

The general public needs re-educating on the term 'racist'.

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Reply #7 - February 27, 2012, 05:41 PM

Not really.

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Reply #8 - February 27, 2012, 05:50 PM

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Quote from: PeruvianSkies on February 27, 2012, 05:37 PM
The general public needs re-educating on the term 'racist'.

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Not really.

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educating children and public in kindergarten, high schools, colleges and in public forums is NOT IMPORTANT., but educating them on raccoons and rapists is very important.. specially for Americans..

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Reply #9 - February 27, 2012, 06:33 PM

Sounds like a dicky thing to say. No sympathy.
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Reply #10 - February 27, 2012, 06:39 PM

Actually, looks like they tried to make him apologise to some other guard... because she was also Muslim... fuck dat shit
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Reply #11 - February 27, 2012, 07:33 PM

Quote from: Prince Spinoza on February 27, 2012, 06:33 PM
Sounds like a dicky thing to say. No sympathy.

So you think state authorities or their adjuncts are justified in detaining people for saying "dicky" things?

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Reply #12 - February 27, 2012, 07:38 PM

It doesn't say they detained him, just that some staff members confronted him.

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Reply #13 - February 27, 2012, 07:43 PM

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“I asked the security guard if she was going to charge me to which she said no but I could not leave until I had apologised to the Muslim guard.

That's detention. He claims he was delayed over an hour. If his description was accurate it was most certainly unjustified detention.

Not just my opinion, but the standard for American (dunno about British) law as well-- if a police officer or similarly-empowered government official tells you that you are not free to leave, then you are, by definition, detained.

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Reply #14 - February 27, 2012, 07:46 PM

Fair nuff. I just read the quote in the OP. Didn't realise there was more to the article.

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Reply #15 - February 27, 2012, 07:55 PM

Quote from: Raccoon Rapist on February 27, 2012, 07:33 PM
So you think state authorities or their adjuncts are justified in detaining people for saying "dicky" things?

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Reply #16 - February 27, 2012, 08:01 PM

The more I think of this, if the details he recounts are accurate, the more Orwellian and disturbing it seems.

Will be interesting to see if this story goes further or more details emerge. Would be good if we could hear the other side of the story from the officials.

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