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 Topic: Never mind the bollocks.

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  • Never mind the bollocks.
     OP - February 28, 2012, 08:23 PM
    In case anyone was either still worrying about degenerating Y chromosomes, or still feeling superior about them, depending on your sex, it seems there may not be a problem after all. parrot

    The human Y chromosome is here to stay

    Quote
    The male sex-determining chromosome has lost only one gene in 25 million years.

    Men can breathe a sigh of relief: their sex-determining chromosomes aren't going anywhere. A study of human and rhesus monkey Y chromosomes questions the notion that the Y is steadily shedding genes and is doomed to degenerate.

    In fact, the version of the Y chromosome that every human male carries around has lost just a single gene in the 25 million years since humans and rhesus macaques shared a common ancestor.

    "I think it should finally put an end to the speculation about the demise of the Y. Twenty-five million years is a big chunk of the history of the Y," says Jennifer Hughes, a geneticist at the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts. She and colleague David Page led the study, which is published online today in Nature.

    <snip>

    To gaze even further back into the history of the Y, Hughes and her team decoded the Y chromosome of the rhesus macaque (Macaca mulatta), which has a common ancestor with humans and chimps that lived around 25 million years ago. Macaques are promiscuous, and Hughes expected to see that the macaque Y had dropped some genes and duplicated others involved in making sperm.

    "It couldn't have been more different," she says. The macaque Y contained just one gene that humans have lost, and that gene resides on a particularly unstable portion of the Y. The human Y has grown much longer than the macaque's, but the genes were mostly the same.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #1 - February 28, 2012, 08:33 PM
    I never believed the reports about Y chromosome degenerating when i read about it. Smiley
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

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  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #2 - February 28, 2012, 08:38 PM
    Oh I thought they were plausible, but I never worried about it. It would hardly be likely to affect any of us, and other mammalian species have lost the Y chromosome anyway without any apparent ill effects. They just use a different chromosome to do the same job.

    Another snippet from the same article:

    Quote
    Some mammals, including mole voles and spiny rats, have lost their Ys already, and sex-determining genes have emerged on other chromosomes.

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  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #3 - February 28, 2012, 08:56 PM
    Finally I can stop worrying about whatever this was
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #4 - February 28, 2012, 08:59 PM
    That should save a lot of stress. Grin

    Google something like "Y chromosome degeneration" or "Y chromosome mutation" if you want to read about the original kerfuffle.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #5 - February 28, 2012, 09:00 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on February 28, 2012, 08:56 PM
    Finally I can stop worrying about whatever this was


    +1  Cheesy
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #6 - February 28, 2012, 09:00 PM
    Never liked my Y chromo anyway.
    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

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  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #7 - February 28, 2012, 09:04 PM
    Ok, short version for those who never caught up with the debacle. Does anyone remember all that stuff about females being the first sex, and how the Y was far stronger and more stable, and the Y being only a buggered X, and how it was all going to Hell in a handbasket?

    Turns out that it's not a problem. So there. Tongue
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #8 - February 28, 2012, 09:14 PM
    doesn't change the fact that women are the first sex, the most awesome, the greatest, most superior things on the planet.   parrot

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #9 - February 28, 2012, 09:16 PM
    Proof of this is in the fact that mitochondrial Eve lived about 60,000 years before Y-DNA Adam

     Ozonedance
    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

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  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #10 - February 28, 2012, 09:17 PM
    Ha. Women weren't the first sex at all. Look up sex determination in reptiles. Grin
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #11 - February 28, 2012, 09:18 PM
    Quote from: Sprout on February 28, 2012, 09:16 PM
    Proof of this is in the fact that mitochondrial Eve lived about 60,000 years before Y-DNA Adam

     Ozonedance

    Just means that men evolve faster and are therefore evolutionarily superior.

    (I can do deliberately bad logic too)
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #12 - February 28, 2012, 09:21 PM
    Speaking of which grin12 if women were the first sex wouldn't that mean they are more primitive life forms?

    You want to be careful about what you claim. bunny
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #13 - February 28, 2012, 09:26 PM
    I'll go ahead and claim that the only people who were/are worried/concerned about the "y chromosome degeneration" are:

    1: Men who feel inferior/inadequate/threatened about male-ness so need to play "oppression olympics" with women.
    2: Women who feel inferior/inadequate/incapable of self-determined behaviour, so need to hang on to some biological determinism fantasy about being superior/longer-lasting.

    Neither camp is very exciting, TBH.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #14 - February 28, 2012, 09:29 PM
    True. But Berbs and I can still have popcorn warz anyway.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #15 - February 28, 2012, 09:30 PM
    Ok. Sorry sorry... please carry on. (Just wait till certain people who actually believe this crap join in, then the popcorn can really flow Wink )
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #16 - February 28, 2012, 09:33 PM
    Well the original report wasn't crap as such. It was just another paper about genetics, and it did indicate that there might be a problem with degeneration of the Y. Nothing that would affect our species on any time scale we might personally care about, but interesting enough in its own right.

    Since species are constantly mutating and evolving anyway, things like this shouldn't really flabbergast anyone. X and Y chromosomes are just the standard mammalian way of doing sex determination, but there are other ways of doing it and not all mammals use X and Y.

    ETA: Also, technically the Y is just a mutated X, but then all human chromosomes are just mutated fish chromosomes anyway.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #17 - February 28, 2012, 09:35 PM
    did someone say popcorn.. you know i smell like popcorn.. (so i've been told)...  popcorn


    anywayzz..

    so there's nothing to worry about then...
    phew what a relief!!..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV9vdUjuWxc
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #18 - February 28, 2012, 09:35 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on February 28, 2012, 09:18 PM
    Just means that men evolve faster and are therefore evolutionarily superior.

    (I can do deliberately bad logic too)


    You always rain on my parade-victory is yours!
    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #19 - February 28, 2012, 09:36 PM
    Quote from: allat on February 28, 2012, 09:26 PM
    I'll go ahead and claim that the only people who were/are worried/concerned about the "y chromosome degeneration" are:

    1: Men who feel inferior/inadequate/threatened about male-ness so need to play "oppression olympics" with women.
    2: Women who feel inferior/inadequate/incapable of self-determined behaviour, so need to hang on to some biological determinism fantasy about being superior/longer-lasting.

    Neither camp is very exciting, TBH.


    Oh.....I just got pwned.  Embarrassed

    Must find a hole.....somewhere....fast. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #20 - February 28, 2012, 09:38 PM
    You said "hole" Smiley
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #21 - February 28, 2012, 09:39 PM
    Quote from: nessrriinn on February 28, 2012, 09:35 PM
    did someone say popcorn.. you know i smell like popcorn.. (so i've been told)...  popcorn


    anywayzz..

    so there's nothing to worry about then...
    phew what a relief!!..

    Smelling like popcorn is a sign of genetic superiority. I read it in the papers, so it must be true. yes
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #22 - February 28, 2012, 09:40 PM
    Quote from: allat on February 28, 2012, 09:38 PM
    You said "hole" Smiley


    Alice, are you in there?   wacko
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #23 - February 28, 2012, 09:41 PM
    Quote from: allat on February 28, 2012, 09:38 PM
    You said "hole" Smiley

     gutterbrain
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #24 - February 28, 2012, 09:43 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on February 28, 2012, 09:39 PM
    Smelling like popcorn is a sign of genetic superiority. I read it in the papers, so it must be true. yes


    Not if the paper was controlled by popcorn smelling people.

    I'm on to them though.

     cool2

    Now, time to go watch spartacus and the Y in action, before 25 million years strips it a teeny weeny bit more. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #25 - February 28, 2012, 09:45 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 28, 2012, 09:43 PM
    Now, time to go watch spartacus and the Y in action, before 25 million years strips it a teeny weeny bit more. 


    To be fair, it's hyper-macho stuff like 300 etc. that does sometimes make me wonder about the Y chromosome. whistling2 Like watching chimps throw feces at each other to feel important.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #26 - February 28, 2012, 09:47 PM
     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #27 - February 28, 2012, 09:50 PM
    You're not the only one this has occurred to. Rams butting heads all day is another example that springs to mind. However, it does seem to impress some of the females so hey. Grin
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #28 - February 28, 2012, 09:52 PM
    All our male show of bravado and penis warring is very necessary for passing on genes and survival of life on earth....

    dead serious, innit

     Cool
    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Never mind the bollocks.
     Reply #29 - February 28, 2012, 09:54 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on February 28, 2012, 09:33 PM
    ETA: Also, technically the Y is just a mutated X, but then all human chromosomes are just mutated fish chromosomes anyway.


    I am sure that's just what the fishinazi academics want us to believe.


    Quote from: osmanthus on February 28, 2012, 09:50 PM
    You're not the only one this has occurred to. Rams butting heads all day is another example that springs to mind. However, it does seem to impress some of the females so hey. Grin


    Proof positive there that women are as capable of being stupid idiots as men. Viva la equalite Afro








    Yeah I know that's not proper French great
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
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