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  • Philosophy by any other name...
     OP - March 06, 2012, 12:37 AM

    An interesting article about naming and classifying philosophy here, not sure I agree with the conclusion, but it does raise some interesting points.

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/philosophy-by-another-name/?ref=opinion

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    Every professional philosopher, or student of philosophy, knows how linguistically confusing the name of our discipline can be when talking to people outside the field. They immediately assume you are in the business of offering sage advice, usually in the form of unargued aphorisms and proverbs. You struggle to explain that you don’t do that kind of philosophy, at which point you may well be accused of abandoning your historical calling — unearthing and explicating the “meaning of life” and what the ultimate human goods are. You may then be castigated for not being a “real philosopher,” by contrast with assorted gurus, preachers, homeopaths and twinkly barroom advice givers. Our subject then falls into disrepute and incomprehension.

    These accusers have a point: What we do is not accurately described by the word we choose to categorize ourselves. So what is a philosopher to do?
    onticsLeif Parsons

    I have a bold proposal: Let us drop the name “philosophy” for the discipline so called and replace it with a new one. The present name is obsolete, misleading and harmful — long past its expiration date.

    The word “philosopher,” as everyone knows, means “lover of wisdom,” from the Greek. Its origin is sometimes attributed to Pythagoras, who is said to have coined it in order to distinguish people like himself from the sophists (both words have the same Greek root, “sophia”). Sophists, Pythagoras argued, are not genuine lovers of knowledge but only purveyors of rhetorical tricks, whereas another group of thinkers — those who possess a true “thirst for learning” — qualify as the real thing. This name stuck and came to be used to describe a very wide range of thinkers — anyone with a real intellectual interest. It is now, however, used extremely narrowly, at least within the academy, excluding people from most academic departments, but still applied to the few who study the subject now called “philosophy.”

    Those inquirers in other fields have new names more suitable to their specificity: physics, chemistry, biology, psychology and history among them. But philosophy is still called by the old highly general name Pythagoras introduced. And here we already see an obvious objection to the label: Isn’t everyone employed in a university, and indeed some people beyond, a “lover of wisdom”? Most academics are not “sophists”! Physicists, say, have the attitude described as much as philosophers. But why should one particular discipline be characterized by reference to an attitude instead of a subject matter?

    Clearly, having the attitude in question is not sufficient to make you a philosopher. Is it necessary? Well, the phrase seems a bit overblown and poetical. What is literally true is that we philosophers value knowledge, like our colleagues in other departments. Do we love knowledge? One might reasonably demur from such an emotive description. And is it wisdom we value? The word sounds vaguely hokey and quaint. (Is a chemist in love with wisdom concerning chemicals?) Moreover, “wisdom” really refers to having good judgment as to how to live one’s life, not to knowledge concerning abstract theoretical matters; and academic philosophy is only partly concerned with wisdom in that sense (ethics, political philosophy). Wisdom means practical wisdom, not scientific understanding. So the original meaning of “philosopher” misdescribes the nature of philosophy as an academic subject.
    onticsLeif Parsons

    The label “philosopher” applied to any seeker after knowledge persisted until around the 18th century, with everyone lumped together. Then the sciences began to crystallize and subdivide, and some linguistic innovation seemed indicated. This is when the word “scientist” came into vogue. The “natural philosophers,” as opposed to mathematical and moral philosophers, decided to call themselves by the newfangled word “scientist.” They also christened themselves “physicists,” “chemists” and “biologists” so that it was clear what part of nature they investigated. But philosophers stuck with the old name, undescriptive and misleading as it was (and still is). Whatever they were doing, it was not well described as “loving wisdom.”

    Our current name is harmful because it posits a big gap between the sciences and philosophy; we do something that is not a science. Thus we do not share in the intellectual prestige associated with that thoroughly modern word. We are accordingly not covered by the media that cover the sciences, and what we do remains a mystery to most people. But it is really quite clear that academic philosophy is a science. The dictionary defines a science as “a systematically organized body of knowledge on any subject.” This is a very broad definition, which includes not just subjects like physics and chemistry but also psychology, economics, mathematics and even “library science.”

    Academic philosophy obviously falls under this capacious meaning. Moreover, most of the marks of science as commonly understood are shared by academic philosophy: the subject is systematic, rigorous, replete with technical vocabulary, often in conflict with common sense, capable of refutation, produces hypotheses, uses symbolic notation, is about the natural world, is institutionalized, peer-reviewed, tenure-granting, etc. We may as well recognize that we are a science, even if not one that makes empirical observations or uses much mathematics. Once we do this officially, we can expect to be treated like scientists.

    Someone might protest that we belong to the arts and humanities, not the sciences, and certainly we are currently so classified. But this is an error, semantically and substantively. The dictionary defines both “arts” and “humanities” as studies of “human culture”—hence like English literature or art history. But it is quite false that philosophy studies human culture, as opposed to nature (studied by the sciences); only aesthetics and maybe ethics fall under that heading. Metaphysics, epistemology, philosophy of mind, philosophy of physics and so on deal not with human culture but with the natural world. We deal with the same things the sciences deal with — the world beyond human culture. To classify philosophy as one of the “humanities” is grossly misleading — it isn’t even much about the human.

    But whether to classify ourselves as a science or an art is strictly not the issue I am considering — which is whether “philosophy” is a good label for what we do, science or not. I think it is clear that the name is misleading and outdated, as well as detrimental to our status in the world of learning. So must we just sigh and try to live with it? No, we can change the name to something more apt. I have toyed with many new names, but the one that I think works best is “ontics.” It is sufficiently novel as not to be confused with other fields; it is pithy and can easily be converted to “onticist” and “ontical”; it echoes “physics,” and it emphasizes that our primary concern is the general nature of being. The dictionary defines “philosophy” as “the study of the fundamental nature of reality, knowledge and existence.” We can simplify this definition by observing that all three cited areas are types of being: objective reality obviously is, but so is knowledge, and so also are meaning, consciousness, value and proof, for example. These are simply things that are.

    So we study the fundamental nature of what is — being. To load the dice, we might also wish to describe ourselves as doing “ontical science,” at least until our affinity with the sciences sinks in — then we might abbreviate to “ontics.” Other possibilities might include “beology” or “beological science,” “conceptive science” (like “cognitive science”), “beotics” (like “semiotics”). But I like “ontics” best: it sounds serious and weighty, it is easy to say, and it sounds like a solid science. Note that the names of other sciences are similarly peculiar: “physics” just comes from the Greek word for nature, and “chemistry” derives from “alchemy” (an Arabic word). And “ontics” will certainly not be confused with “philosophy” in the vernacular sense — so no more of that tedious linguistic wrangling about what a “philosopher” is or should be.

    We can then leave the word “philosophy” to those practical sages, reputable or disreputable, that tell people how best to live, proudly calling ourselves by a name far more appropriate to what we actually do.

    It won’t be easy to change our name. We have more than 2000 years of linguistic usage bearing down on us. There will be resistance. But keep in mind that scientists changed their “philosophy” name too, no doubt against entrenched opposition; even today the heads of some physics departments are still described as chairs of “natural philosophy.” But that was a necessary and sound decision.

    Perhaps in 100 years’ time the process will be complete and our universities will all have a “department of ontics.” Don’t you want to be part of this historical movement? I believe that once the matter is seen clearly the eventual renaming will be well nigh inevitable.

    Of course, there will be some sadness and regret about losing our traditional moniker — old habits die hard and “philosophy” can boast a proud history — but the benefits will outweigh the costs, just as ceasing to call the sciences “philosophy” had its pros and cons but was the wise decision in the end. And isn’t there something faintly shameful about sticking to the obsolete and inaccurate term “philosopher” when we are professionally so dedicated to using words correctly and so attentive to matters of definition? We must put our own linguistic house in order.

  • Re: Philosophy by any other name...
     Reply #1 - March 06, 2012, 04:31 PM

    i disagree with the author's argument that philosophy is a science, even using the definition he uses. philosophy is not "a body of knowledge", and it's hardly "organized". arguing that it is has many false implications that undermine the very nature and purpose of philosophy.

    the author is trying to rename philosophers as scientists in order to give the field more credibility. he's effectively accepting the monopoly science has on truth.
  • Re: Philosophy by any other name...
     Reply #2 - March 06, 2012, 04:45 PM

    +1^

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Philosophy by any other name...
     Reply #3 - March 06, 2012, 05:02 PM

    i disagree with the author's argument that philosophy is a science, even using the definition he uses. philosophy is not "a body of knowledge", and it's hardly "organized". arguing that it is has many false implications that undermine the very nature and purpose of philosophy.

    the author is trying to rename philosophers as scientists in order to give the field more credibility. he's effectively accepting the monopoly science has on truth.


    A classic Aristotelian syllogism might come in handy now:

    *Modern science is a branch of philosophy once known as "natural philosophy"

    *Modern science is distinguished from previous natural philosophy through use of scientific method

    *Not all philosophy qualifies as natural philosophy

    *Not all natural philosophy prior to the development of modern science uses scientific method

    *Therefore modern science may be said to be a type of philosophy (specifically a type of natural philosophy which uses scientific method) but not all philosophy may be said to be modern science.

    Far from a perfectly constructed syllogism but you get the point.

    Tongue

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Philosophy by any other name...
     Reply #4 - March 06, 2012, 08:16 PM

    This is the gist of the whole article:

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    Our current name is harmful because it posits a big gap between the sciences and philosophy; we do something that is not a science. Thus we do not share in the intellectual prestige associated with that thoroughly modern word.

    Grin

    Translation: "My musings should be given as much credibility as things which are empirically verified."

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Philosophy by any other name...
     Reply #5 - March 06, 2012, 10:12 PM

    that was interesting translation os, I have trouble understanding what this whole article about, and uh zoomi strike back at os for me, I find it easy for me to understand thing if there was some kind of arguments. grin12
  • Re: Philosophy by any other name...
     Reply #6 - March 07, 2012, 12:40 AM

    I agree with the gist of the article, philosophy is a nobler pursuit.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Philosophy by any other name...
     Reply #7 - March 07, 2012, 01:40 AM

    I'm not going to turn this into a justification of why philosophy matters -- please see profile pic for my response to (what I feel will be the nature of most) comments in this vein. Tongue (Besides, if you're not interested in philosophy I don't know why you would be in this thread other than to troll.)

    On one hand, I think the author is on to something. When someone asks what philosophy is, I have a hard time explaining it, because "philosophy" is so wide-reaching. I agree with the author's contention that there almost seems to be very little connection between studying ethics and studying metaphysics -- one is a humanity, and the other much more involved with science. There are so many different focuses of philosophy, to the point where I would almost advocate each respective branch pf philosophy breaking off and joining their other respective disciplines, so that political philosophy would be a specialized area of political science called "meta poli-sci," "meta cog-sci" etc.. (Or in the case of Ancient Philosophy, it would just be history).

    Almost.

    The problems I can see, first off, is that by doing this important branches of philosophy would be lost. For example, epistemology doesn't fit readily into any other discipline, and while different science-related branches would fit somewhere, philosophy of science in general as a questioning of the scientific method would be lost. So would things like personal-identity, and more general branches of continental philosophy (which have already all but been reduced to historical study in most non-European departments). One might argue that if a branch of philosophy doesn't apply, it should be dropped  -- while I do agree that certain things in philosophy could be dropped with no great loss, I doubt that dropping entire branches would be appropriate.

    It's all in how you want to classify philosophy though. What currently unifies philosophy is method and goals more than subject matter. Philosophy seeks to "get to the bottom of things," and aims for rigor and examining things with a very critical eye, and also how we go about examining things. Importantly, one always has to constantly question the method in which they are examining things, and also one's relationship as an observer to reality. Not to mention, how we go about situating ourselves in this mixed-up existence. If philosophy broke apart, I fear a lot of this self-reflectivity in turning a critical eye towards the world would be lost.

    What I think is most important though, is that I would hate to see philosophy become fragmented because I think one of the best things about philosophy is that because it is so wide reaching and one is forced to engage at least slightly outside of one's specialty area, that cross-discipline connections can be made. I already fear that philosophers are becoming increasingly out of touch with other areas of philosophy, and fragmenting philosophy off into different departments would only increase the gap between disciplines.

    (As a concrete example, my thesis is primarily on the relationship between time, physics, and perception of time. Not only do I consider philosophical sources, but physics equations and cog. sci feature prominently in my research. But I also engage in meta-metaphysics, so that I examine which questions are appropriate to ask about the nature of time and perception, and which questions are meaningless/unimportant/impossible to answer. So maybe those who think that philosophy has no connection to anything tangible can explain to me why I have a physics textbook beside me and a paper on the findings of a nero-scientific study open in my browser.  Roll Eyes )

    I know this article isn't advocating the fragmentation of philosophy, but I feel by his talk of "ontics of X" I could see this being the next logical conclusion. I'm sure that philosophy studies would get a lot more funding if they were subsumed by other disciplines -- especially scientific ones -- though I think a lot would be sacrificed in doing so. If anything I think philosophy needs to "take out the trash" so to speak, and really solidify what in philosophy is important and what isn't, and that alone will help philosophy gain better "credibility" to those who don't bother to learn enough to know that philosophy -- like all disciplines -- have research projects that could be done without.
  • Re: Philosophy by any other name...
     Reply #8 - March 07, 2012, 01:50 AM

    he's effectively accepting the monopoly science has on truth.


     Afro

    Sadly, philosophy departments are doing this too -- analytic phil is "truth," while continental is shunned as pseudo-phil.
  • Re: Philosophy by any other name...
     Reply #9 - March 07, 2012, 03:06 AM

    Well there is my practical answer to what philosophy is, though of course, there is the more poetic answer to what I think philosophy is ---

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=11799.msg569697#msg569697

    (Trolls, if you can, please stay away from this one, it's personal Tongue )
  • Re: Philosophy by any other name...
     Reply #10 - March 07, 2012, 04:12 AM

    I do have an little interest in philosophy (started reading Plato's Republic Tongue), but Philosophy seems to be a very 'I' orientated subject, it's about understanding the world at an individual level etc which can be very satisfying to one...Actually, I'm decided on this subject.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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