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  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #150 - August 02, 2013, 02:46 PM
    Quote from: Sam Brent on July 29, 2013, 12:39 PM
    Here is a documentary for you as well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_jvXnPG9Xc


    Thanks for posting this. This video has a very biased, pro-Palestinian style to it and seems to be dumbed down for an American audience. They seem to make a big deal about how a small minority of Palestinians are Christians who are also suffering from Israeli policies. The implication seems to be that we should care about Palestinians more because some of them are Christians. WTF?? I think some of the stats are just plain wrong, Israel does not receive more foreign aid from the USA than the rest of the world combined, but maybe that was true when the documentary was made. Also they made a big deal about how some right wing Christian Fundamentalists support Israel for some really stupid religious reasons to do with the fulfillment of some Biblical prophesies. But they are a tiny minority of the US public, nothing compared to how many Muslims support Palestine for religious reasons. Anyway the Doc really did not sit well with me, when you present something with an obviously bias undertone then you provoke a lot of anger and disbelief out of the very people you are supposed to be trying to persuade, which is why it is always better to at least appear to be more nuanced and present both sides of the story. Nevertheless I did get some useful info from it about the Israeli methods of confiscating private property.
  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #151 - August 02, 2013, 02:53 PM
    Quote from: Pishte_Kooh on June 22, 2013, 12:58 PM
    Well, yes, sephardic and ashkenazi jews (who are the majority of jewish israelis) are indeed not very middle-eastern genetically.


    I am sorry but that is not true. Whilst Ashkenazi Jews may look more "European" than Arabs do on the surface. Actual DNA studies show that both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are extremely similar to Levantine Arabs from Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine. See here.
  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #152 - August 02, 2013, 04:43 PM
    Quote from: Tonyt on August 01, 2013, 03:11 PM
    ..............  Afro Though I think it must be a little pro-Israeli no?


    Little Pro?  it is all Pro Tonyt.. What do you expect from Zee..zoo jew..juice??

    well
    Quote from: Tonyt on August 02, 2013, 02:46 PM
    Thanks for posting this. This video has a very biased, pro-Palestinian...........

    You got be kidding.. Sam is picking some off the boat tube as a response to yeezevee that to  from TRUTHprincess



    princess looks like from subcontinent...
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  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #153 - August 02, 2013, 08:52 PM
    Juice are the  'old wound' on Islamic world says new Peaceful President of Iran..

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    Iran's President-elect Hassan Rouhani has denounced Israeli occupation of Palestinian areas as an "old wound on the body of the Islamic world".

    His remarks echo those of other Iranian leaders and come on Jerusalem (Quds) Day, held every year in Iran to support the Palestinians and denounce Israel.

    Iran has denied Israel's right to exist since the 1979 Islamic revolution.

    Mr Rouhani is due to be inaugurated as the country's new president on Sunday, replacing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad .

    Speaking at a rally, Mr Rouhani said: "There is an old wound on the body of the Islamic world, under the shadow of the occupation of the holy lands of Palestine and Quds [Jerusalem].

    "This day, is to remember that the Muslim population, will not forget its historic right and will resist tyranny and occupation...

    sure for  all 1.5 billion Muslims  Jerusalem  is an old wound on the body of the Islamic world..,  Hope it will spread more all the way to the borders of Iran and Saudi Arabia..  Because Jewish folks were there in these lands before the birth of Muhammad and his Islamic political party.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc8EjQEpZ3s
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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #154 - August 02, 2013, 10:05 PM
    I say, fuck both the Mujahideen & the Judahideen
  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #155 - August 06, 2013, 09:34 PM
    Forget religion

    Who's doing the killing? The isrealis

    Whos being killed? The palestineans

    Meanwhile in isreal..


    meanwhile in palestine

  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #156 - August 06, 2013, 09:44 PM
    Way to go. Use extreme contrasting imagery to bypass rational discussion and appeal to emotions. Nobody here can see through that at all.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #157 - August 06, 2013, 11:16 PM
    Quote from: zach on August 06, 2013, 09:34 PM
    Forget religion

    Who's doing the killing? The isrealis

    Whos being killed? The palestineans

    Yap you are riot zach .. But we need to go deeper in to the conflict..

    Quote
    Meanwhile in isreal..

     
    Hmm they are having fun., And we should free  women from Palestine so they too can have fun. Question is what we do to do that??

    Quote
    meanwhile in palestine


     
    Yap rascals pointing guns ar little children..  What is that a Photo shoot for west?? Well let me add more.. and let me give you better picture



    and let me give you link on 30 Little Known Facts About Israel from  mission islam.com
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  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #158 - August 06, 2013, 11:42 PM
     TonyT said ----------> Which I guess would not surprise me considering how much dislike there is for Jews in Islam?

    I respect your knowledge of history. But is this really borne out in reality. Compare and contrast with Christianity.
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  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #159 - August 07, 2013, 07:43 PM
    Look as an arab (berber) I do realize there are good isrealis, I have isreali friends and shockingly, they aren't animals. But the whole conflict is ridiculous at this point and goes beyond violation of human rights. And palestine, if you think they can do anything against isreal, on the sanity chart I don't rate you too high

    Goes to show how stupid religion is.

    Remind me why did the jews go to isreal post WW2? Because of religion. Whoop, what a surprise.

    And using religion again as an excuse to take that land is just as dumb yeevese

    That's like me going to a restaurant, and some dude starts yelling at me "ay bro, I was in that booth a week ago! come on, its mine"
  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #160 - August 07, 2013, 07:54 PM
    Yeezevee's last picture shows a Palestinian soldier dressed up like an Israeli....
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #161 - August 08, 2013, 07:20 AM
    my bad.. but my point still stands.
  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #162 - August 08, 2013, 08:21 AM
    Palestine good Israel bad?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #163 - August 08, 2013, 09:19 AM
    Israel uses religion to justify what theyre doing
    religion = bad bad bad

  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #164 - August 08, 2013, 10:18 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on August 02, 2013, 04:43 PM
    well You got be kidding.. Sam is picking some off the boat tube as a response to yeezevee that to  from TRUTHprincess


    Yez, I don't watch this channel. I watched this documentary way long ago when i was about 15. I may of chosen her video that she posted but its essentially just a mirror. But seriously if that is your argument then I should say its a really poor one.
    "You took something that Alex Jones mirrored?" "Yes..." "Well then it can't be legitimate, for he is a nut."
    You must remember that just because someone believes crazy things, does not mean they can't be right every once in a while.

    Also earlier in the forum you mentioned that you don't support Palestine because they were muslims. If they were not you would support them.

    Keep in mind that Israel does a lot of silly things for religion. David Ben Gurion famously hired Yigal Yadin to dig up the "Title Deeds" to prove that jews have the right to Palestine.
    Lets not forget the crazy jewish settlers either.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAF1AW1bwAM
    Israel is no better then any of the other arab/persian countries. It's the only country in the middle east that use depleted Uranium shell casing. It actually has nukes and has the audacity to tell other not to have them as well.
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  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #165 - August 09, 2013, 01:45 AM
    The double word in the thread title is annoying. Can someone change it please?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #166 - August 09, 2013, 01:49 AM
    Grin done
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Was the Creation of of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #167 - August 09, 2013, 01:49 AM
     Cheesy I never even noticed until you said something.
  • Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #168 - August 09, 2013, 01:52 AM
    Thanks 001_wub
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #169 - August 09, 2013, 02:10 AM
    Quote from: zach on August 07, 2013, 07:43 PM
    Remind me why did the jews go to isreal post WW2? Because of religion. Whoop, what a surprise.

    Immediate post-WW2 it was more like Europe ended up dumping them on Palestine - after all the POWs had been released the former concentration camps of Europe still had a lot of Jewish occupants who were kind of reluctant to be resettled where they had been driven from and would try to get to Israel as they hoped to achieve security there. Remember that many countries refused to take in Jewish refugees even in this situation (like eg. France).

    The European "Endlösung" was to ship them all off to Palestine - just like the Zionists wanted it. The US also took quite a lot of Jewish refugees, though.

    You could say it was because of religion - but it was more like because they were "Jews". Like the Bosniaks being killed not for their religion - but because they were "Muslims".

    Well, it is of course way more complicated than that - but in general my impression is that the Jews around the world (and the Holocaust) were used as a tool whenever possible by Zionists to advance their case (like eg. the Haavara-agreement with Hitler).

    Also note there were factions in the Zionist movement and they didn't seem to have problems in trying to kill each other to get the upper hand.
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  • Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #170 - August 09, 2013, 02:36 AM
    Quote from: Tonyt on August 02, 2013, 02:46 PM
    Thanks for posting this. This video has a very biased, pro-Palestinian style to it and seems to be dumbed down for an American audience. They seem to make a big deal about how a small minority of Palestinians are Christians who are also suffering from Israeli policies. The implication seems to be that we should care about Palestinians more because some of them are Christians. WTF??


    The implication would be that Christian Zionists in America are a bunch of ignorant hypocritical fuckwads for ignoring this.

    Quote
    But they are a tiny minority of the US public


    Bullshit.

    Quote from: zach on August 06, 2013, 09:34 PM
    Forget religion

    Who's doing the killing? The isrealis

    Whos being killed? The palestineans

    Meanwhile in isreal..
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    meanwhile in palestine

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    Quote from: allat on August 06, 2013, 09:44 PM
    Way to go. Use extreme contrasting imagery to bypass rational discussion and appeal to emotions. Nobody here can see through that at all.


    He's right. When you take away all the nuanced arguments and historical, religious, social and political analysis and commentary-- what you are left with is the Israeli boot planted firmly on the neck of the Palestinians as they take the land and economic opportunities of an already impoverished people. For some of us that's basically all we need to know to sympathize with the Palestinians.
    fuck you
  • Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #171 - August 09, 2013, 03:11 AM
    Honestly the issue is a lot clearer and the truth hurts but it will never change like it or not
    proisrealis just try to sugar coat it, there's never a sharp argument in their case. Always shadow dancing and avoiding the point lol. Doesn't that remind you of how islam and other bs religions argue?

    pro palestineans just want palestine to be left alone, or what's left of it. if all those "rockets" actually did damage, then I wouldn't have isreali friends talking about how drunk they got last night

    The brainwashing is ridiculous. It's even funnier when pro isrealis use the US-Indian relations as an example. shadow dancing for sure

    Just because we hate islam doesn't mean we have to sympathize with the isreali cause
  • Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #172 - August 09, 2013, 03:13 AM
    Quote from: allat on August 06, 2013, 09:44 PM
    Way to go. Use extreme contrasting imagery to bypass rational discussion and appeal to emotions. Nobody here can see through that at all.


    Extreme contrasting imagery?

    ahahahahaha

    show me some palestineans partying hard and isrealis starving on the streets

    brb isreal controls media
    brb palestine is the size of an ant compared to isreal
    brb violation of human rights
    brb
  • Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #173 - August 09, 2013, 03:18 AM
    Quote from: Hallakuf on August 07, 2013, 07:54 PM
    Yeezevee's last picture shows a Palestinian soldier dressed up like an Israeli....


    Yup. That's an AK he's holding. Not standard issue to IDF personnel. Sometimes used by special ops especially in false-flag ops but in that event they wouldn't be wearing an OD green uniform.

    That being said there are plenty of photos like that around that are the real deal.
    fuck you
  • Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #174 - August 09, 2013, 03:24 AM
    The thing about taking sides in the Israel/Palestine clusterfuck is that whatever side you take you end up looking like a dick.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #175 - August 09, 2013, 03:26 AM
    You shouldn't care about what people think of you because of your opinion brah

    in the end it doesn't matter what people think Wink
  • Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #176 - August 09, 2013, 03:29 AM
    I don't care. And I don't really have an opinion on it. It was just an observation about the people who argue about it.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #177 - August 09, 2013, 04:04 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on August 09, 2013, 03:29 AM
    I don't care. And I don't really have an opinion on it. It was just an observation about the people who argue about it.


    This.
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  • Re: Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #178 - August 09, 2013, 05:55 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on August 09, 2013, 03:24 AM
    The thing about taking sides in the Israel/Palestine clusterfuck is that whatever side you take you end up looking like a dick.


    Not everyone's a white is right kind of bourgeois liberal.
  • Re: Was the Creation of Modern Israel a Big Mistake?
     Reply #179 - August 09, 2013, 06:07 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on August 09, 2013, 03:29 AM
    I don't care. And I don't really have an opinion on it. It was just an observation about the people who argue about it.


    So when people argue for something you agree with (E.G.: atheism or the right to criticise religion in a depoliticised vein)  it's fine, but when people argue for something that isn't y'know, derealised and postmodern they're dicks?

    I vehemently dislike... certain tenets and practices of islam but I won't stand for the whitewashing of our islamic brothers (proletariat and other marginised classes) and if the same was happening in the west to non-muslims I wouldn't stand for the whitewashing of their persecution, either.

    Quote from: allat on August 09, 2013, 04:04 AM
    This.


    Way to advance the discourse.
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