A controversial take on depression

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Re: A controversial take on depression
Reply #30 - March 15, 2012, 12:46 PM

Quote from: Sprout on March 14, 2012, 09:32 PM
Yes, and it's sort of a rough cycle anyway, because if you are that depressed and lacking motivation to do anything else, I doubt changing lifestyle would be a picnic.

I can however attest to the effectiveness of diet and exercise, although exercise is something I enjoy in itself and a good diet is one third of any decent exercise regime. So while it may be a solution that is an enjoyable natural inclination for me, I understand that it is a laborious chore for some. I think much of that resistant mindset can be undone, though. And undoing it gets easier once the benefits start being felt.

Exercise and healthy diet certainly aren't a panacea. But they do have practical utility on their own. The benefit is felt in other avenues of life. Whereas the utility of drug treatment is ad hoc.

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Re: A controversial take on depression
Reply #31 - March 15, 2012, 12:46 PM

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Re: A controversial take on depression
Reply #32 - March 15, 2012, 12:49 PM

I also just wanted to clarify a previous post for anyone who got the wrong impression;
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I've been depressed for about 7 years

I no longer suffer from depression. I suffered from depression from 16/17 till about 22/23 - I'm now 27.

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Re: A controversial take on depression
Reply #33 - March 15, 2012, 01:11 PM

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Re: A controversial take on depression
Reply #34 - May 06, 2012, 09:44 PM

Fitness and exercises are my main hobby. And I eat healthy.

And I just got hit by depression. Which was triggered by another health issues I am having.
And some good old antidepressant just helped me.

I fucking love pharma companies. They save my life over and over.

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Re: A controversial take on depression
Reply #35 - May 06, 2012, 09:56 PM

Yup, as Tlaloc mentions this theory really is bullshit.

I've been following one of the healthiest diets and exercise regimens of my life over the last yearish, and that hasn't stopped me from being depressive one bit. So yeah, dude is wrong.

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Re: A controversial take on depression
Reply #36 - May 06, 2012, 10:04 PM

Quote from: Tlaloc on May 06, 2012, 09:44 PM
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............... good old antidepressant just helped ......

I fucking love pharma companies. They save my life over and over.

which one and how many mgs of it a day Tlaloc?..

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Re: A controversial take on depression
Reply #37 - May 07, 2012, 11:08 AM

Quote from: asbie on May 06, 2012, 09:56 PM
Yup, as Tlaloc mentions this theory really is bullshit.

I've been following one of the healthiest diets and exercise regimens of my life over the last yearish, and that hasn't stopped me from being depressive one bit. So yeah, dude is wrong.

That's not his theory though from what I've seen. He would be wrong if that was his theory. I don't think any sensible person believes diet and exercise are magical cure-alls.

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Re: A controversial take on depression
Reply #38 - May 07, 2012, 12:23 PM

Well I've suffered in the past from depression, panic attacks, anxiety and all the rest of it, but I never opted for the pill-popping option. Seems a bit unnecessary when a degree of patience and self-discipline will suffice. I mean sure, you may not know how things will turn out when you first summon the resolve to persevere, but knowing that states of mind are all necessarily transient helps. Because sure enough it's not just a matter of persistent endurance in the face of one's pain, it's also the understanding of one's psyche and the identification of the adverse thought patterns that cause or worsen one's depression. If one knows what those patterns of thought are one can abstain from them, or distract one's attention away from them, and if you understand that states of mind pass, without your forcing them to, you can give yourself the motivation to be patient.

As has been said, proper diet and lifestyle are factors, but of course they're not the only ones. I don't believe any thinking person could seriously entertain the notion that something as complicated as depression could have a single cause. And if someone has deep-seated psychological or emotional issues then its highly doubtful that regularly running 10k or eating healthily is going to cure them.

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I fucking love pharma companies. They save my life over and over.

This suggests to me that rather than saving your life by dealing with the source of your problem they've just made you chemically dependent on their product.
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Re: A controversial take on depression
Reply #39 - May 07, 2012, 02:25 PM

Quote from: Ishina on May 07, 2012, 11:08 AM
That's not his theory though from what I've seen. He would be wrong if that was his theory. I don't think any sensible person believes diet and exercise are magical cure-alls.

In fairness, I only watched like 20 seconds before closing the video in disgust.

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Re: A controversial take on depression
Reply #40 - May 08, 2012, 12:29 PM

Quote from: asbie on May 06, 2012, 09:56 PM
Yup, as Tlaloc mentions this theory really is bullshit.

I've been following one of the healthiest diets and exercise regimens of my life over the last yearish, and that hasn't stopped me from being depressive one bit. So yeah, dude is wrong.

Quote from: Zebedee on May 07, 2012, 12:23 PM
As has been said, proper diet and lifestyle are factors, but of course they're not the only ones. I don't believe any thinking person could seriously entertain the notion that something as complicated as depression could have a single cause. And if someone has deep-seated psychological or emotional issues then its highly doubtful that regularly running 10k or eating healthily is going to cure them.

The dude in the vid doesn't beleive that either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3qBJesRUVg

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Re: A controversial take on depression
Reply #41 - May 08, 2012, 12:47 PM

If anyone is interested in the above dude's 4 pillars of state management they are;

1) Mental representations; learning to change the way how memories, images, or future events are re-presented in your mind, in a way that faciliates a more beneficial psychological state.

2) Internal dialogue; changing your habitual internal dialogue. Ie. changing it from self-criticism to self-compassion. From focusing on grievances, to focusing on gratitude.

3) Physiology; Good posture, relaxation exercises, moderate exercise, bodily awareness, good diet, etc, will affect your psychological state for the better.

4) Beleifs; Changing your beliefs to one's that facilitate beneficial psychological states. Facilitating beleifs like; self-worth without social comparison, believing that psychological and physical habits are skills that can be developed, framing life and psychological challenges as impersonal and part of the human experience rather than a unique injustice and problem, etc.

IME changing your internal dialogue changes your beliefs and vice versa.

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