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  • Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     OP - March 28, 2012, 12:42 AM
    You have to watch this, great documentary Smiley, the video is included in the link below.

    In this one-off documentary, David Malone looks at four brilliant mathematicians - Georg Cantor, Ludwig Boltzmann, Kurt Gödel and Alan Turing - whose genius has profoundly affected us, but which tragically drove them insane and eventually led to them all committing suicide. The film begins with Georg Cantor, the great mathematician whose work proved to be the foundation for much of the 20th-century mathematics. He believed he was God's messenger and was eventually driven insane trying to prove his theories of infinity

    The description the poster gave for the video is kind of bad (they didn't even all commit suicide). Regardless, it's a great documentary.



    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5122859998068380459
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #1 - March 28, 2012, 12:53 AM
    I've seen this quite a while ago, it's good, thanks for the link  Afro I'll watch it again
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #2 - March 28, 2012, 01:00 AM

    Maths is one thing I just don't understand.

    If there is a mathematical dyslexia, I have it.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #3 - March 28, 2012, 01:27 AM
    Quote from: billy on March 28, 2012, 01:00 AM
    Maths is one thing I just don't understand.

    If there is a mathematical dyslexia, I have it.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #4 - March 28, 2012, 01:34 AM
    Quote from: billy on March 28, 2012, 01:00 AM
    Maths is one thing I just don't understand.

    If there is a mathematical dyslexia, I have it.



    It's to do with practice, sometimes you need a good teacher as well, teachers have huge influence.

    Pauli's Exlusion principle is one thing that maths gave me a greater appreciation for. You're told that two electrons can't occupy the same state in a system (e.g solid) at school and what not, but then when you do quantum physics you get to learn about wave functions and parity and mathematically see why two electrons can't exist in the same state >.< AND IT WAS FANTASTIC! >.< a WOW moment.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #5 - March 28, 2012, 01:38 AM
    ^ Do you think there's such a thing as innate mathematical giftedness?
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #6 - March 28, 2012, 01:51 AM
    I think thinking is about habit, if you're taught to think certain ways, and how the people around you influence you. Of course there's genetic factor which could make it easier for some people, but since the brain is plastic-y (not entirely sure to what degree) I would think you have more control over it, than just victim to genes. If you habitually think in a certain way, you strengthen those routes of thinking.

    You have these savants who can calculate things in their heads real quick etc, which shows that genes have a huge influence on the way our brain in structured, but that doesn't necessarily make them a genius. Genius is about originality and creativity.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #7 - March 28, 2012, 01:51 AM
    I am so mad at myself that I didn't enroll the Mathematics faculty, I have been kicking myself ever since, I was good at it, I even went to competitions ( I wasn't the best of course, my bro was better ) and I like it but then in the end of the 4th Grade high school I think all that teenager bullshit and testosterone hit me in the head, I became very lazy and I didn't know what to chose, in the end I chose Economics cuz I thought I will get the diploma easier than other fields with less studying and more partying, I was so stupid, fucking moron.  
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #8 - March 28, 2012, 01:54 AM
    It comes down to imagination and being able to link completely different things together....That's why you have a lot of stories of scientists/mathematicians coming up with best ideas in their dreams, or whilst just letting their mind doodle, because it allows things to just mix together.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #9 - March 28, 2012, 01:56 AM
    Quote from: sturmgewehr on March 28, 2012, 01:51 AM
    I am so mad at myself that I didn't enroll the Mathematics faculty, I have been kicking myself ever since, I was good at it, I even went to competitions ( I wasn't the best of course, my bro was better ) and I like it but then in the end of the 4th Grade high school I think all that teenager bullshit and testosterone hit me in the head, I became very lazy and I didn't know what to chose, in the end I chose Economics cuz I thought I will get the diploma easier than other fields with less studying and more partying, I was so stupid, fucking moron.  


    Just self study :/ Lots of interesting things to learn about, and the internet gives more freedom to build yourself up a good reputation amongst the people these days.

    Heh, reminds me of Gladiator, WIN THE CROWD, WIN YOUR FREEDOM (or something like that)
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #10 - March 28, 2012, 02:00 AM
    ^ ^

    I am trying to do that from time to time, I read a lot in my free time, evolution, physics, Math and everything that I missed, it is not the same now, I am not the same person anymore either, I have a very limited patience, I can't even sit and watch a movie from the beginning to the end, went through a lot of stuff lately, I am doing my best though, I wanna learn and I think I will learn something in the end.
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #11 - March 28, 2012, 02:04 AM
    I only got the chance to listen to 2 minutes of it so far. How could math possibly lead to suicide, can someone explain?
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #12 - March 28, 2012, 02:08 AM
    ^ ^

    I don't think it was math, I think Georg Cantor was a bit unstable even before he started to deal with Infinity, he was just obsessive, he wanted to solve the problem so bad and of course he kept running in circles of possibility and impossibility and so on and forth, the other guy was like that too he was very emotional and couldn't deal with criticism, the Computer guy was being injected with hormones maybe that led him to suicide, Kurt Gödel hmmmmm don't know.


    p.s: they were simply caught in mind paradoxes that they couldn't solve and taking into account their obsessive behavior who made them try harder and harder and harder led them to insanity, they were trying to prove mathematics with mathematics, something like that.
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #13 - March 28, 2012, 02:12 AM
    Quote from: sturmgewehr on March 28, 2012, 02:08 AM
    ^ ^

    I don't think it was math, I think Georg Cantor was a bit unstable even before he started to deal with Infinity, he was just obsessive, he wanted to solve the problem so bad and of course he kept running in circles of possibility and impossibility and so on and forth, the other guy was like that too he was very emotional and couldn't deal with criticism, the Computer guy was being injected with hormones maybe that led him to suicide, Kurt Gödel hmmmmm don't know.

    p.s: they were simply caught in mind paradoxes that they couldn't solve and taking into account their obsessive behavior who made them try harder and harder and harder led them to insanity, they were trying to prove mathematics with mathematics, something like that.

    Ok, thanks for the explanation. Anything past Algebra is really hard for me! I got the worst grades in Geometry.
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #14 - March 28, 2012, 02:23 AM
    Quote from: sturmgewehr on March 28, 2012, 01:51 AM
    I am so mad at myself that I didn't enroll the Mathematics faculty, I have been kicking myself ever since, I was good at it, I even went to competitions ( I wasn't the best of course, my bro was better ) and I like it but then in the end of the 4th Grade high school I think all that teenager bullshit and testosterone hit me in the head, I became very lazy and I didn't know what to chose, in the end I chose Economics cuz I thought I will get the diploma easier than other fields with less studying and more partying, I was so stupid, fucking moron.  


    ... I'll keep that in mind while selecting my major.
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #15 - March 28, 2012, 02:30 AM
    Quote from: Stardust on March 28, 2012, 01:54 AM
    It comes down to imagination and being able to link completely different things together....That's why you have a lot of stories of scientists/mathematicians coming up with best ideas in their dreams, or whilst just letting their mind doodle, because it allows things to just mix together.


    Exactly -- Wiles wouldn't have been able to prove Fermat's last theorem if his mathematical knowledge and proficiency wasn't so unusually broad. It's something the AI field is suffering from as well, gifted people who are overspecialized to the detriment of a broader knowledge base that would help them solve the problems they face.
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Dangerous Knowledge - Philosophy, Physics, Mathematics
     Reply #16 - December 12, 2012, 01:18 PM
    Quote from: harakaat on March 28, 2012, 02:30 AM
    Exactly -- Wiles wouldn't have been able to prove Fermat's last theorem if his mathematical knowledge and proficiency wasn't so unusually broad. It's something the AI field is suffering from as well, gifted people who are overspecialized to the detriment of a broader knowledge base that would help them solve the problems they face.

    Damn you harakaat .. How many kids who are born in Islam  talk about unsolved Mathematical Theorems?     .. life goes on...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-i_Q9eVAhE
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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