No, I said "Jews stoned people."
Yes, I just realized you had said Jews not Jesus, I'm sorry I had misse understood.
So we can now break the 10 commandments? If not, why can we break the commandments most people haven't heard of but not the 10 that (some) people have?
No, not exactly because Christians are under the greater Law not the Mosaic Law which was fulfilled not broken. Jesus instructed has disciples that the whole law could be explained in two principles.
Luke 10:27 In answer he said "'You must love Jehovah your God with whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind,' and,'your neighbor as yourself.''
So, when Christians think to do something they would have to consider how that activity would be seen not in light of the Mosaic Law but in faith in God.
So the first laws had faults in them?
Fault is the fact that those laws were temporary.
I was referring to things such as these:
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)
And yet Jesus himself said the opposite, that the not even a single letter of the law will be changed. So on a silly insignificant point....why were pigs too unclean to eat, and then Jesus died on the cross and made bacon sandwiches okay to eat, yet didn't change a single letter of the law.
Said the oppisite of what?
Because the Mosaic Law finished its purpose does not mean it was changed or passed away or made invalid.
Look at what it says at Matthew 5:17 Do not tink I came to destroy the Law or Prophets. I come not to distory, but to fulfill.
Right before the verses you posted it says exactly the point I want to show that Jesus' coming and death on the torture stake fulfilled the Law. Look at the verses you posted. The words "not a dot will pass the law until all is accomplished" perhap are the same as in my translation that say "...pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place..." That of course seems to me to be reasonable indication that a time frame for changing events to be involved.
No part of the Law is made invalid by the fact the its purpose was for an appointed length of time so Luke 16:17 is absolutely correct. To confirm my point that the law was for a certain length of time please look at the verse just before the one you posted.
Luke 16:16 The Law and the Prophets were until John. From then onthe kingdom of God is being declared as good news, and every sort of person is pressing forward toward it.
As regards Jonn 7:19 Jesus is speaking to the religious leaders of his day prior to his death so the Law was still in effect. Also playing to to that conversation was the fact that those religious leader leaders failed to reconnise Jesus for who he is. Thus showing they really did not understand the importance of the Law and Prophets.
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