Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?

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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #120 - April 18, 2012, 11:11 PM

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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #121 - April 18, 2012, 11:43 PM

I am gonna go out on a limb here and state pork-eaters who were once muslims are 'beyond the pale' - yes I know it is irrational maybe it is misplaced values. But seriously, it's as if you really do hate your identity/culture so to speak, like along with perhaps support of Israel, eating of pig (and others) are on a checklist of true apostates. I mean screwing, snorting, drinking fair enough, loadsa muslims do so as well, but there is a big difference between having sex and not having sex, between being high and not being high but missing out on pork, it cant be that big of a deal.

It's like as if you eat pork now, how much of a muslim/muslim could you have been before? I repeat, there is no logic.

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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #122 - April 19, 2012, 01:58 AM

Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 18, 2012, 08:03 PM
Some forms have the potential to be.

Some form ? By your previous argumentation, almost everything is !
Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 18, 2012, 08:03 PM
No. But this would be: http://muvebuf2.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/100-dollar-cheesesteak/

No ? Why no ? And why does that qualify more as bourgeois decadence ?
Let's go back to your argument :
« Overall Western vegetarianism to a lesser extent and veganism to a larger extent is bourgeois decadence. It's the result of people being moved farther and farther from the chain of food supply and rising living standards leading to people being concerned with issues other than everyday struggle. »
Doesn't more expensive food come from rising living standard leading to people being concerned with issues other than everyday struggle ? I would have bet it came from that. Well, maybe if one get expensive food but while being close to the chain of food supply, then it's not bourgeois decadence ? I can't make the slightest bit of sense out of your random attacks on something you seem to hate for some very unclear reason (unclear to me, and it seems unclear to you also).

Oh, I just forgot : expensive food is not bourgeois decadence because contribute to the empowerment of lower social classes. Yep, that makes perfect sense.
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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #123 - April 19, 2012, 03:48 AM

Fuck you, you tofu-eating froggy freak. Your parents obviously didn't raise you right, hippie.

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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #124 - April 19, 2012, 04:58 AM

I'm about to grill a buffalo steak, salmon fillet, and a chicken breast on the grill for lunch tomorrow. It's like Noah's Ark of carnivorism

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #125 - April 19, 2012, 06:04 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57412379-10391704/pizza-hut-unveils-hot-dog-stuffed-crust-pizza-burger-king-offers-bacon-sundae/

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Pizza Hut restaurants in the U.K. will now offer a "Hot Dog Stuffed Crust" pizza with a mustard drizzle. Sorry America, you won't see it on this side of the Atlantic any time soon.

"The Hot Dog Stuffed Crust pizza is only available in the UK and there are no plans to introduce this product in the U.S.," Lisa Beachy, a spokesperson for Pizza Hut, told HealthPop in an email.

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In the U.S., specifically Nashville, Tenn., Burger King is testing a "Bacon Sundae," food blog Grub Grade reported. The sundae appears to come with standard toppings such as fudge and caramel, but also includes a strip of bacon. The blog reports that the product is similar to a "Maple Bacon Sundae" sold at Denny's. According to Eater, Jack in the Box also unveiled a "Bacon Shake" earlier this year.

FU Pizza Hut. Bring that to America.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #126 - April 19, 2012, 01:18 PM

Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 19, 2012, 03:48 AM
Fuck you, you tofu-eating froggy freak. Your parents obviously didn't raise you right, hippie.

Hum, you were trolling from the beginning, weren't you ?
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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #127 - April 19, 2012, 01:48 PM

Quote from: asbdsp on April 18, 2012, 11:11 PM
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Now if much of the grease above is from pork fat, does that mean that film is banned in the Islamic world?

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The final spark was provided by the ammunition for new Pattern 1853 Enfield Rifle. These rifles had a tighter fit, and used paper cartridges that came pre-greased. To load the rifle, sepoys had to bite the cartridge open to release the powder.[19] The grease used on these cartridges included tallow,[20] which if derived from pork would be offensive to Muslims, and if derived from beef would be offensive to Hindus.

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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #128 - April 19, 2012, 09:19 PM

Quote from: Yi Sun-Sin on April 19, 2012, 01:18 PM
Hum, you were trolling from the beginning, weren't you ?

On one level, yes, but I do, in fact, think that vegetarianism is a rather stupid lifestyle choice, and while I have respect for many individual vegetarians (and even a few vegans) I have met, I don't respect their beliefs or practices one bit (similar to how I view religious people I otherwise like and respect). Just think for the most part it's bourgeois conceit, a confusion of ethical obligations and priorities, or plain stupidity.

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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #129 - April 19, 2012, 10:40 PM

So, in my specific case, what is your diagnostic ? Conceit, confusion, or stupidity ?
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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #130 - April 20, 2012, 02:14 AM

Don't know you well enough. You tell me.

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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #131 - April 20, 2012, 02:24 AM

Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 19, 2012, 09:19 PM
On one level, yes, but I do, in fact, think that vegetarianism is a rather stupid lifestyle choice, and while I have respect for many individual vegetarians (and even a few vegans) I have met, I don't respect their beliefs or practices one bit (similar to how I view religious people I otherwise like and respect). Just think for the most part it's bourgeois conceit, a confusion of ethical obligations and priorities, or plain stupidity.

I really don't see how it can be a confusion of ethical obligation and priorities. Perhaps for the 'throw red paint on everyone and bitch at everyone for eating meat' vegans and vegetarians but I really can't find fault with someone who chooses not to eat meat. It's an obligation that I don't subscribe to, but I don't see how it's a confusion. I think it's a bourgeois conceit in as far as meat is a handy and easy source of protein and calories so in order to meet the moral obligations more often than not a higher income is required to have the opportunities to get more food and protein without resorting to the easier options, at least it's that way in the West.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #132 - April 20, 2012, 03:35 AM

I've had it on accident a few times and always felt guilty(still do). I might order me a bacon burger once to truly see if I like it or not.
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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #133 - April 25, 2012, 12:35 PM

I'm a pescitarian these days, I never really liked meat growing up but my mum wouldn't let me not eat it

I have tried pork before but it wasn't that big a deal- it was just like other meat to me.
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Reply #134 - April 25, 2012, 02:02 PM

Quote from: apostasist on April 25, 2012, 12:35 PM
it was just like other meat to me.

Precisely. It's just another meat, often rather dry.

There are people in Nicaragua who don't eat pork because of a worm that is sometimes found in it, a worm that is killed by thorough cooking.

Why religion still feels the need to speak on food hygiene is beyond me.
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Reply #135 - April 25, 2012, 02:53 PM

It is never about the specific rule, but about inducing obedience and servitude. Brilliantly effective actually, for example circumcision.

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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #136 - April 25, 2012, 05:31 PM

Quote from: David on April 25, 2012, 02:02 PM
Precisely. It's just another meat, often rather dry.

There are people in Nicaragua who don't eat pork because of a worm that is sometimes found in it, a worm that is killed by thorough cooking.

Why religion still feels the need to speak on food hygiene is beyond me.

I've never really understood it either. To my understanding it was banned for the Jews because they got food poisoning from it,; as they couldn't refrigerate it properly it went off. Quicker than other meats apparently.

And your comment about the thorough cooking is another issue- they probably didn't cook it properly back then either. Chicken doesn't take too long to cook so that probably would have been fine for them, if you undercook red meat it's not normally a problem either. But pork can take a while to cook, and will make you ill if it's undercooked.

So, from a historical perspective it may have been a good thing that it was banned at the time. But now? Bit silly. Especially when you see Muslims going on about how dirty and disgusting pigs are (no worse than others imo), and this bizarre thing they have about actually hating pigs too.

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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #137 - April 25, 2012, 05:35 PM

While I'm an Ex-Muslim, there's quite a few things I still don't do.
Partly it's because I still maintain myself as a 'non-practicing muslim' to other people.

Eating pork is one of them. Don't ask me why. I just try and avoid it. I've eaten the occasional breakfast with sausage or pizza, but in general, I'll avoid it. It's not a huge part of my life. Beef and chicken work perfectly well.

Similarly, believe it or not, I avoid shorts above the knee. Again, don't ask me why. It's just how I was raised... and now even as an adult, I feel 'odd' with shorter shorts. It's more of a fashion preference.
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Reply #138 - April 25, 2012, 09:37 PM

I thought amount of ankle and lower leg showing was the clincher for Police to decide terrorist!

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Reply #139 - April 25, 2012, 10:56 PM

I turn away when I see pork products in commercials and the appearance of bacon just repulses me, makes my stomach turn. Strong indoctrination.
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Re: Do ex-muslims eat pork eventually?
Reply #140 - April 26, 2012, 12:19 AM

Even though I ate pork rebelliously when I was younger, now that I am an Ex-Muslim, I am not sure if I will. Maybe if my family approves, then sure I might eat pork, but not in excess.
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Reply #141 - April 26, 2012, 02:30 AM

Quote from: moi on April 25, 2012, 02:53 PM
It is never about the specific rule, but about inducing obedience and servitude. Brilliantly effective actually

And the masterstroke is the sheer pettiness and number of the rules that induce obedience.

There's also the matter of these taboos helping to differentiate the believer from the infidel. Others drink? Ban alcohol.
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Reply #142 - April 26, 2012, 08:27 PM

^ I think the reason for the eventual banning of alcohol was that most of Muhammad’s followers turned up to prayers pissed.
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