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Reply #90 - April 17, 2012, 12:24 AM

I need meat every day but I suspect vegetarianism is a superior way of living. Superior in the sense that vegetarianism (amongst many many other things) i percieve the humans that will make up the majority of people that will 'evolve' form homo sapiens, I think i think this because of attitude towards animals and this thought that vegetarianism is most displaced from our meat-eating animilistic desire.

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Reply #91 - April 17, 2012, 12:52 AM

I don't think it's superior or inferior; it's just another way of living. People aren't going to die out because they eat meat, nor are they going to die out because they don't eat it.
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Reply #92 - April 17, 2012, 01:39 AM

Just read your comment Abood - thought I'd tap in IQ and vegetarianism and lo and behold there is an association between IQ and vegetarianism. Spooky.

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Reply #93 - April 17, 2012, 02:31 PM

Quote from: Abood on April 17, 2012, 12:10 AM
Don't be vegetarian if you're not conscious of what you eat.

I've been so for more than 20 years now. I guess I'll stop when non-vegetarian will also be conscious of what they eat . I mean, my doctor (who is not vegetarian) once started lecturing me on how I should pay attention to that, and then stopped for a moment, and said something like “Well, on the other hand, people in France usually eat 3 or 4 times too much meat, so…”.
Quote from: Abood on April 17, 2012, 12:10 AM
Many vegetarians go back to eating meat because they realize their body becomes weak and they get easily exhausted and feel sick.

If I start feeling weaker, sicker and getting exhausted faster, I'll sure gather information on how to fix that. I won't start eating meat except if there is no other solution and it is absolutely necessary. And even then, I'll get as few as possible.
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Reply #94 - April 17, 2012, 03:34 PM

Telling someone to replace meat with junk food is a junk piece of advice. It just shows how dogmatic you are in pushing your animal rights agenda at all costs.
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Reply #95 - April 17, 2012, 04:34 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on April 16, 2012, 05:13 PM
Pork is like the last taboo paranoid.

Alcohol seems the one ex muslims choose to taste before bacon. They find it easier to get over the alcohol rule than the pork one.

So yea, I reckon it's a good marker for apostasy.

Yes but that was before we had...

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this will be a bit problem for me, I reckon I can buy alcohol online, but pork, can I buy that, how will it agree to being wrapped up in a parcel for a postal delivery.
wish me luck for next month , I'm outta my parent home, gonna try to get drunk.

See above. I have solved your dilemma.

Quote from: Yi Sun-Sin on April 17, 2012, 02:31 PM
I've been so for more than 20 years now. I guess I'll stop when non-vegetarian will also be conscious of what they eat .

I've met non-vegetarians who are very careful about their diets and will only eat organically-raised, non-factory farmed, free-range meat. So get to eatin that bacon cheeseburger, boy.

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my doctor (who is not vegetarian) once started lecturing me on how I should pay attention to that, and then stopped for a moment, and said something like “Well, on the other hand, people in France usually eat 3 or 4 times too much meat, so…”.

Your doctor is correct. Many of us in advanced capitalist countries do eat way too much meat (myself included), but the solution is to eat less, not cease eating it at all.

Overall Western vegetarianism to a lesser extent and veganism to a larger extent is bourgeois decadence. It's the result of people being moved farther and farther from the chain of food supply and rising living standards leading to people being concerned with issues other than everyday struggle. I've met a few working-class vegetarians/vegans, or those from developing nations (excluding ones where Hinduism/Mahayana Buddhism is prevalent) but comparatively very few.

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Reply #96 - April 17, 2012, 04:43 PM

Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 17, 2012, 04:34 PM

Overall Western vegetarianism to a lesser extent and veganism to a larger extent is bourgeois decadence. It's the result of people being moved farther and farther from the chain of food supply and rising living standards leading to people being concerned with issues other than everyday struggle. I've met a few working-class vegetarians/vegans, or those from developing nations (excluding ones where Hinduism/Mahayana Buddhism is prevalent) but comparatively very few.

do you know why Americans eat all that meat Colonel Q-Daffi?? You fuckers are rich buggers..

You sell meat cheap and the damn vegetables per/lb are more expensive than meat.. I tell you if you have land.. grow veg.. I used to buy pound of tomatoes for 1.50 to 2$

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Reply #97 - April 17, 2012, 04:49 PM

Yes yeez, I know-- that's part of my analysis.

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Reply #98 - April 17, 2012, 06:18 PM

That bakonvodka is definitely on my things required in heaven list!

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Reply #99 - April 17, 2012, 06:25 PM

Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 17, 2012, 04:34 PM
Overall Western vegetarianism to a lesser extent and veganism to a larger extent is bourgeois decadence. It's the result of people being moved farther and farther from the chain of food supply and rising living standards leading to people being concerned with issues other than everyday struggle. I've met a few working-class vegetarians/vegans, or those from developing nations (excluding ones where Hinduism/Mahayana Buddhism is prevalent) but comparatively very few.

How about upper class Hindus/Buddhists? You gonna call them bourgeois decadent too, or is that just one sweeping generalization too much for you? Don't eggshell around, tell us what you really think about these huge classes of people who's lifestyle you so readily dismiss.

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Reply #100 - April 18, 2012, 12:12 AM

Quote from: Abood on April 17, 2012, 03:34 PM
Telling someone to replace meat with junk food is a junk piece of advice. It just shows how dogmatic you are in pushing your animal rights agenda at all costs.

Oh, that's nothing. I'm willing to kill hundreds of innocent children just to push my evil agenda .
Fear me, I'm so evil I make Darth Vador look like Gandhi !
Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 17, 2012, 04:34 PM
I've met non-vegetarians who are very careful about their diets and will only eat organically-raised, non-factory farmed, free-range meat.

I obviously meant “most non-vegetarians”, not “a very few specific non-vegetarians”. I wouldn't care about eating balanced if I was not vegetarian, and I don't care as a vegetarian. I don't think one of those is worse than the other. That's my point.
Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 17, 2012, 04:34 PM
Your doctor is correct. Many of us in advanced capitalist countries do eat way too much meat (myself included), but the solution is to eat less, not cease eating it at all.

I'm not vegetarian for health reason, of course that would not make sense !
Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 17, 2012, 04:34 PM
Overall Western vegetarianism to a lesser extent and veganism to a larger extent is bourgeois decadence. It's the result of people being moved farther and farther from the chain of food supply and rising living standards leading to people being concerned with issues other than everyday struggle.

Yes, you are right. If it's something that rising living standard allowed, it must be bourgeois decadence. Educating girl used to be bourgeois decadence. Before that, education itself was bourgeois decadence. I mean, if you are only concerned about everyday struggle, you don't have time for education, do you ?
I guess I like bourgeois decadence.
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Reply #101 - April 18, 2012, 01:08 AM

Quote from: asbdsp on April 17, 2012, 06:25 PM
How about upper class Hindus/Buddhists? You gonna call them bourgeois decadent too, or is that just one sweeping generalization too much for you? Don't eggshell around, tell us what you really think about these huge classes of people who's lifestyle you so readily dismiss.

What?

Quote from: Yi Sun-Sin on April 18, 2012, 12:12 AM
That's my point.I'm not vegetarian for health reason, of course that would not make sense !

Well at least you're honest about that-- something I find rare amongst most vegetarians on the topic of health.

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Yes, you are right. If it's something that rising living standard allowed, it must be bourgeois decadence. Educating girl used to be bourgeois decadence. Before that, education itself was bourgeois decadence. I mean, if you are only concerned about everyday struggle, you don't have time for education, do you ?
I guess I like bourgeois decadence.

It's only bourgeois decadence when it does not contribute to the empowerment of lower social classes. The other examples you mentioned clearly do.

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Reply #102 - April 18, 2012, 01:12 AM

So I can only do something if it contributes to the empowerment of lower social classes?
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Reply #103 - April 18, 2012, 01:13 AM

I definitely see the point about this being a bourgeois issue, however, the factory farming industry is awful and employs people who work in horrid conditions. It's not just an issue of extreme cruelty towards animals who are also sentient.

If you think working class people can't be part of this, I invite you to meet some of my friends who are involved, who are working class people. And I highly recommend this video, which is all about a working class man's perspective on this issue.

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Reply #104 - April 18, 2012, 01:18 AM

Quote from: Abood on April 18, 2012, 01:12 AM
So I can only do something if it contributes to the empowerment of lower social classes?

Please direct me to where I said or implied that.

I said it was bourgeois decadence. I did not say you cannot do it, anymore than your fuckin raves. You are free to engage in such behavior but I'm gonna call a social phenomenon for what it is.

Quote from: allat on April 18, 2012, 01:13 AM
I definitely see the point about this being a bourgeois issue, however, the factory farming industry is awful and employs people who work in horrid conditions. It's not just an issue of extreme cruelty towards animals who are also sentient.

And this would be an excellent argument in favor of vegetarianism if conditions for farmhands picking vegetables were substantially better than for slaughterhouse employees, but they aren't.

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If you think working class people can't be part of this,

I never said that. My position is that the issue is largely irrelevant to most working-class people. There is no room in a class analysis for vegetarianism-- it's a personal decision, one mostly chosen by wealthier people.

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Reply #105 - April 18, 2012, 01:24 AM

There are more problems in the world than class division. Not everything that falls outside class analysis is "decadence".
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Reply #106 - April 18, 2012, 01:37 AM

No, but vegetarianism and raving are. Accept it.

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Reply #107 - April 18, 2012, 01:44 AM

I accept that raving is decadence. I'm a decadent and a hedonist and have absolutely no problem with it. But vegetarianism isn't.
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Reply #108 - April 18, 2012, 01:49 AM

Quote from: Abood on April 18, 2012, 01:24 AM
There are more problems in the world than class division.

Beware, Abood. I said this on another forum and got personally insulted for the next two days.

Rich or poor, there are almost no vegetatians in Japan. I eat meat nearly every day there, but in smaller quantities and of better quality.
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Reply #109 - April 18, 2012, 01:56 AM

Quote from: Abood on April 18, 2012, 01:44 AM
I accept that raving is decadence. I'm a decadent and a hedonist and have absolutely no problem with it. But vegetarianism isn't.

Whatever, veggies suck, that's my point, and I stand by it.

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Reply #110 - April 18, 2012, 01:58 AM

If you mean vegetarians give good head, then yes, yes they do.
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Reply #111 - April 18, 2012, 02:01 AM

No, I don't mean that. I mean that they made a stupid fuckin decision.

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Reply #112 - April 18, 2012, 02:03 AM

Should they have made a suckin decision instead?
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Reply #113 - April 18, 2012, 02:06 AM

They should be placed in meat-eating reeducation camps where they are starved, worked and beaten mercilessly, then given a bacon double cheeseburger to break their fast finally, and their loved ones imprisoned until they agree to kill a cow with a knife and shit.

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Reply #114 - April 18, 2012, 02:11 AM

I have absolutely no problem with doing that. Sounds like a good time. Hell, I'd love to learn to hunt some day.
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Reply #115 - April 18, 2012, 02:15 AM

Cool. I will require you to wring a bunny's neck to prove your loyalty, though. And braise it with wine, butter, garlic, sea salt, lots of cracked black pepper, and rosemary, serve with wild onions sauteed in butter and garlic, and mashed potatoes made with sour cream. dill, shallots and scallions. Then serve it to me in bed. Thanks.

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Reply #116 - April 18, 2012, 12:43 PM

Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 18, 2012, 01:08 AM
Well at least you're honest about that-- something I find rare amongst most vegetarians on the topic of health.

Since I clearly and explicitly said that my diet is imbalanced and that I don't care about it, I would be in great trouble to suddenly start saying the opposite .
Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 18, 2012, 01:08 AM
It's only bourgeois decadence when it does not contribute to the empowerment of lower social classes. The other examples you mentioned clearly do.

Oh. So you mean art and culture are decadence ? Except maybe for a very few social stuff like Les Misérables .
Hum, I guess if one does not want to give in to decadence, one must buy only the least expansive food, everything else would be decadent.
Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 18, 2012, 01:56 AM
Whatever, veggies suck, that's my point, and I stand by it.

Your point is so very interesting, I'm fascinated by all the implications it carries ! Please, oh please, tell me more, I need to know !
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Reply #117 - April 18, 2012, 06:41 PM

Art and culture? tell me more!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXlnMveRt-Y

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Reply #118 - April 18, 2012, 08:03 PM

Quote from: Yi Sun-Sin on April 18, 2012, 12:43 PM
So you mean art and culture are decadence ?

Some forms have the potential to be.

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Hum, I guess if one does not want to give in to decadence, one must buy only the least expansive food, everything else would be decadent.

No. But this would be: http://muvebuf2.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/100-dollar-cheesesteak/

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Your point is so very interesting, I'm fascinated by all the implications it carries ! Please, oh please, tell me more, I need to know !

The implication for you is going to a meat-eating re-education camp.

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Art and culture? tell me more!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXlnMveRt-Y

Next person who posts crap like this gets a stiff kick in the balls.

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Reply #119 - April 18, 2012, 08:30 PM

Oi! It is brilliant!

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

A.A. Milne,

"We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
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