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  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #180 - June 30, 2012, 02:35 AM

    That's great da_dude! Good to know there are others out there irl who are also ex muzzles yeah?  Afro dance

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #181 - June 30, 2012, 02:59 AM

    Awesome Da Dude! That is great that you had the courage to tell her about yourself without being ashamed. Looks like you may have made a friend in the process. It's always good to have a doctor as a friend, for health advice and the like. Smiley
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #182 - June 30, 2012, 09:55 AM

    congrats da_dude !
     sad
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #183 - June 30, 2012, 06:39 PM

    I told myself I'd read this thread when I had some free time, but I didn't realise what I was in store for. It's stirred me in ways I'm not sure words can do justice.

    I really empathise with your position. I feel I can really relate to much of your story, but then at parts I'm not sure I can completely comprehend what it must have been like, what it would be like to be there. I've never been married, never had children and never been with a physically abusive lover.

    Stories like yours make me fearful for the future of my sisters. Who will they end up with? Will these men be abusive, would they even tell us? One of my reasons for coming back to England was to put myself in a position where I could take care of any of my other siblings that wanted to escape. I could give them a home, shelter, an escape. I've managed to convince one to come join me, but that took a bit of work and he's already a bit liberal.

    I don't have much faith the others will follow suit.


    A number of the things you said really penetrated me though, I wanted to comment on them, which might make this post a little long, but I feel almost compelled to say these things. Even if they're thoughts long gone.


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    One of the things that I regret and I don't say this lightly, but one of the things that I regret I missed during my childhood and during my marriage was that I didn't get to listen to music other than the religious non-instrumental kind, except with the exception of the odd wedding where arabic music was played 'cause less strict relatives of who-ever was getting married would demand it. Even at my own Walima I missed out on having music played. I missed out on so much, yet I have memories of when I was a young girl singing my guts out making up songs of my own, music sung to an invisible being up in the sky who back then I loved and feared. I missed out on so much. It is one of my regrets, 'cause if I'd been brave enough to walk out and talk, I would have experienced music at a much younger age.


    I feel exactly the same way. It's weird sometimes, hearing people listening to the music they heard when they were young. Sometimes everyone jumps up and cheers to a song I've never heard, they know the lyrics, the melody and the rhythm perfectly, but to me it sounds like cold air. I'm not sure I even like the damn song, but their minds had heard it so frequently that they could re-live a thousand past memories listening to it once again, and also create a new one.

    While I feel left out in those moments, I also feel this deeper glee. I realise where I am. I'm in a place I never ever thought I'd be. Jammin' with people that actually enjoy music and sing it aloud.  I'm allowed to do this, not allowed, I MUST do these things. I realise that, despite my past, I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be.


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    Anyways on this occasion when he'd said that, I had the song with the lyrics "Can't touch me," go through my head, so I started singing whilst doing the rap movements, "Can't touch me! Du du du, Can't touch me!" whilst completely covered in black from head to toe and it made him burst into laughter. Lol it was funny, 'cause I realized I shouldn't have done that, but it had made him laugh so made me happy.


    This reminds me so vividly of the good times I had with my father. He could be violent, he could be oppressive, he could be a monster, but sometimes we'd laugh and I'd actually really have a good time. It's not quite the same as having a significant other be that way at all, but still, despite the horror I remember vividly one day when we were designing a logo together. My brother decided to be silly and gave off these signals, simple body language that I read which suggested he was going to do something silly, so I waited for what he had to say and immediately he suggested that we put a few monkeys around the logo (which was for an IT company btw) and I agreed, saying the monkeys should be wearing gold or even jewellery and for a moment I saw my father actually consider the idea. There were his two oldest sons, suggesting something that sounded absolutely mad, but completely straight-faced and serious, so for a moment he considered it too and then said "I... I don't know if that would work..." and then my brother and I busted out laughing and soon enough he got the joke and he did too.

    It's a quality memory of mine, in a dark dark time.

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    Sigh, boy did I waste alot of time being not-bothered.


    I shall take heed of these words.


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    I just wish they would really truly love me and just let me be who I am and not rant and rave at me about how I'm going to hell and gonna burn forever and what a shame I am to them and how I'm such a huge disappointment and how I'm so fucking evil and stupid and will never be happy unless I do what they want/believe what they want/have the same values as them/be fucking obedient to them.


    I really feel this too. Currently, I live with one of my brothers, who's Muslim, and a sister that's Christian. It's a funny story really. I love them dearly and would do anything for them, I could easily live alone. It would be easier for me to do so, but I care about them a lot and feel I have to take care of them, so we live together for the sole purpose of me being sure they're okay, that they're happy.

    Both of them think if I die how I am now, I'll probably go to hell.

    I don't blame them for this. They're not completely aware of my intentions for living with them. They'd just feel guilty if I was open about it so I keep it to myself, I don't do things for people to see things in return, I just wouldn't be able to live with myself if something happened to them. It's incredibly depressing to know their thoughts despite their actions sometimes, but overall I'm content with how things are.


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    I hate feeling this way. I hate thinking that there is something fundamentally wrong with me. I hate days like today where from the moment I wake up I'm in mental anguish.

    I'll snap out of it soon, but I'm just so confused 'cause I keep thinking, "What the fuck is wrong with me? I'm the fucking common denominator here, my parents hated me, my X hated me, that's what's wrong is me, I'm the problem."


    Sometimes I think there's something wrong with me, but I always know there isn't. It's probably a weird thing to say, but "thinking" something and "knowing" something can conflict at times for me. I hope that no matter what happens that might make you think there's something wrong with you, you always know you're actually awesome!

    I remember saying to a bunch of people once, "Most people disagree with my views" and they then said in a sort of patronising tone "Why ever do you think MOST people would disagree with you Adam" and I looked them straight in the eyes and said, "Mostly because most people are wrong". They thought that was incredibly arrogant and protested, so I said "A good portion of the world is Christian, another Muslim. Christians believe Jesus was crucified, Muslims believe he wasn't. One of them is wrong. So far we have a good portion of the world that is definitely wrong about one thing." Then I proceeded to give them other contradictory views and show them that in the end, because everyone couldn't be right, most people had to be wrong.

    They thought that was even more arrogant.

    Silly humans.


    Quote
    Yeah, one fucked up family, that's for sure, but it's so hard to not let myself think that it's me that's the problem, so many years of being told you are tends to do that to a person.


    It's hard for me at times like that. Especially when they have conversion-fest over here and try to ram pascal's wager down my throat. I'm cool with it and even encourage it from time to time, but I'm really soft on them. Sometimes in those moments I look around and ask myself, can I really be the only one with eyes? That's what the human part of me says, at least. The robot part only tuts.



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    I'm so sick of it. What kind of mother am I if my kids have to listen to me screaming in my sleep? I feel like the worst mother ever, as I'm supposed to be the mother here and help my kids when they have nightmares, not the other way around. I'm worried my nightmares might be traumatizing for the kids, that my screaming in my sleep probably scares them.


    If it means anything, I was always worried when my own mum seemed a little sad or upset and the times she was really upset always confused me, it wasn't disturbing though. When I grew older, I understood them and it made me realise how sensitive she really was. I think back and re-interpret events, understanding them all the time. Memories of my own mother's moments have never upset my relationship with her, nor tainted my opinion of her.


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    Dear Little Brother, I hope you will find your wings and soar. It's truly beautiful up here.


    I feel this so much. My littlest brother Mikeil. What will he end up as? Will he follow suit, will he end up like my dad? Will he a violent psychopath? or will he think for himself, he was quite independent, perhaps he will break free from the shackles of religion and be his own person. Perhaps...

    Will he even remember me?




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    Sometimes I've wondered, thought that maybe I'm really back with my X and have gone totally mentally insane and have hallucinated this life I have now, it seems too good. I've wondered to myself over and over again over the years, how on earth can my life be this good? How come it keeps getting better slowly over time? How on earth did I escape? How come I'm not still back there? How come I get to live in an apartment with my children with a telly and music and dvds and plants and paint and story books to read to them? I don't feel like I will ever be good enough to deserve all of this, to deserve to get to just be, to get to eat whatever I want, or that I get to live in safety without getting hit, that I get to have sunlight streaming through the windows, that I get go outside the house when I want, that I get to have friends, real friends, not people who I have to be friends with 'cause someone else tells me that this woman you can be friends with but not that woman.

    I feel so incredibly humbled and in awe at the journey I've made. I can't understand, I look back at that woman who lived back there, and see a ghost of me now, how did that ghost get to here today. I'm humbled and awed that I get to just be, to live here, to not have to cower in fear every day when hearing certain footsteps, 'cause we are safe, we are free, we get to dance, we get sing, we get to get our own home.

    I get to fly.



    Brought a tear to my eye.

    I love.

    I used to be powerful, then I started blogging.
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #184 - July 01, 2012, 08:07 PM

    Oh, also, I shall heed your words on smoking. I've recently picked up the habit. When I'd go out a lot,  I noticed the cool people would escape a lot and I'd go out with them, they were escaping to smoke and I'd never tried before, so I did.

    Now I do...

    I wrote about smoking once. I called it, An Ode To Smoke.

    She says she would kill me, I say I don't care, because I know that she will let me sleep another night. There's a spark that is between us and I need another kiss. My eyes sparkle as she glows and I suck on her pouted lips. A haze fills the room as I breathe her burning passion and take another hit tasting that bitter joy, because I know that this won't last too long, but I take it for what it is. No flame can last forever though, so eventually when she's exhausted we part ways and that emptiness settles in, so I find another. She says she would kill me, I say I'm a dead man already.

    I used to be powerful, then I started blogging.
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #185 - July 05, 2012, 12:33 AM

    That's great da_dude! Good to know there are others out there irl who are also ex muzzles yeah?  Afro dance


    Definitely.  yes  dance
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #186 - July 05, 2012, 12:36 AM

    Awesome Da Dude! That is great that you had the courage to tell her about yourself without being ashamed. Looks like you may have made a friend in the process. It's always good to have a doctor as a friend, for health advice and the like. Smiley


    So true Tonyt, hopefully we might catch up for a coffee or something in the next couple of weeks or maybe I could see if she might want to do a play-date for the kids and have coffee whilst they run riot, but guess will see what happens.

    I don't think doctors and nurses like to be bothered by friends about medical/health advice lol, but who knows.
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #187 - July 05, 2012, 01:17 AM

    I told myself I'd read this thread when I had some free time, but I didn't realise what I was in store for. It's stirred me in ways I'm not sure words can do justice.

    I really empathise with your position. I feel I can really relate to much of your story, but then at parts I'm not sure I can completely comprehend what it must have been like, what it would be like to be there. I've never been married, never had children and never been with a physically abusive lover.


    I'm glad to know that others get it, sorry that you've been through so much though PureInertia. hugs

    Quote
    Stories like yours make me fearful for the future of my sisters. Who will they end up with? Will these men be abusive, would they even tell us? One of my reasons for coming back to England was to put myself in a position where I could take care of any of my other siblings that wanted to escape. I could give them a home, shelter, an escape. I've managed to convince one to come join me, but that took a bit of work and he's already a bit liberal.

    I don't have much faith the others will follow suit.


    I hope for your sisters that they don't end up in abusive relationships, guess the main thing with it is to remain supportive of them if they do happen to get into that sort of situation. I worry for my sister too, but hopefully she'll marry some awesome dude.

    So glad about your brother coming to stay with you, and good to hear that he's more liberal.

    Quote
    I feel exactly the same way. It's weird sometimes, hearing people listening to the music they heard when they were young. Sometimes everyone jumps up and cheers to a song I've never heard, they know the lyrics, the melody and the rhythm perfectly, but to me it sounds like cold air. I'm not sure I even like the damn song, but their minds had heard it so frequently that they could re-live a thousand past memories listening to it once again, and also create a new one.

    While I feel left out in those moments, I also feel this deeper glee. I realise where I am. I'm in a place I never ever thought I'd be. Jammin' with people that actually enjoy music and sing it aloud.  I'm allowed to do this, not allowed, I MUST do these things. I realise that, despite my past, I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be.


    I know right? We get to experience these things for the first time and I think from not getting to experience these things that most other people take for granted, it makes it that much more powerful and awesome when we do finally get to do these things.  dance

    Quote
    This reminds me so vividly of the good times I had with my father. He could be violent, he could be oppressive, he could be a monster, but sometimes we'd laugh and I'd actually really have a good time. It's not quite the same as having a significant other be that way at all, but still, despite the horror I remember vividly one day when we were designing a logo together. My brother decided to be silly and gave off these signals, simple body language that I read which suggested he was going to do something silly, so I waited for what he had to say and immediately he suggested that we put a few monkeys around the logo (which was for an IT company btw) and I agreed, saying the monkeys should be wearing gold or even jewellery and for a moment I saw my father actually consider the idea. There were his two oldest sons, suggesting something that sounded absolutely mad, but completely straight-faced and serious, so for a moment he considered it too and then said "I... I don't know if that would work..." and then my brother and I busted out laughing and soon enough he got the joke and he did too.

    It's a quality memory of mine, in a dark dark time.


    That sounds like an awesome memory!  Afro Happy moments in the midst of darkness and fear are like tea candles all lit up, happy moments in the midst of it all.

    A funny memory I have of my father, from when I was about 12, was when my father went into the kitchen and the rest of us were sitting at the table eating. I could see out of the corner of my eye, my father standing in the kitchen behind the kitchen counter. Anyways, for some strange reason he's got a bottle of vinegar and keeps looking down and doing something, and suddenly he starts jumping up and down shrieking in pain. We all go WTF is going on, and my mother asks him what's happened, and he tells her that he's just put the vinegar on his dick 'cause he's got candida and my mother says, "How is vinegar going to help with that? You're supposed to use yoghurt."  Cheesy We all start laughing our guts up and can't stop laughing, it's hilarious, who on earth puts vinegar on their private parts?! Only my father could do something so, ahhh what do you call it, ummm something so crazy. Cheesy Even my father ended up laughing about it and walked to the table limping.  Roll Eyes

    Quote
    I really feel this too. Currently, I live with one of my brothers, who's Muslim, and a sister that's Christian. It's a funny story really. I love them dearly and would do anything for them, I could easily live alone. It would be easier for me to do so, but I care about them a lot and feel I have to take care of them, so we live together for the sole purpose of me being sure they're okay, that they're happy.

    Both of them think if I die how I am now, I'll probably go to hell.

    I don't blame them for this. They're not completely aware of my intentions for living with them. They'd just feel guilty if I was open about it so I keep it to myself, I don't do things for people to see things in return, I just wouldn't be able to live with myself if something happened to them. It's incredibly depressing to know their thoughts despite their actions sometimes, but overall I'm content with how things are.


    Yeah, you're a good brother, keep going mate, and sorry about the religious tension between you guys. hugs


    Quote
    Sometimes I think there's something wrong with me, but I always know there isn't. It's probably a weird thing to say, but "thinking" something and "knowing" something can conflict at times for me. I hope that no matter what happens that might make you think there's something wrong with you, you always know you're actually awesome!


    Thanks  Afro

    Quote
    I remember saying to a bunch of people once, "Most people disagree with my views" and they then said in a sort of patronising tone "Why ever do you think MOST people would disagree with you Adam" and I looked them straight in the eyes and said, "Mostly because most people are wrong". They thought that was incredibly arrogant and protested, so I said "A good portion of the world is Christian, another Muslim. Christians believe Jesus was crucified, Muslims believe he wasn't. One of them is wrong. So far we have a good portion of the world that is definitely wrong about one thing." Then I proceeded to give them other contradictory views and show them that in the end, because everyone couldn't be right, most people had to be wrong.

    They thought that was even more arrogant.

    Silly humans.


    So true  Cheesy

    Quote
    If it means anything, I was always worried when my own mum seemed a little sad or upset and the times she was really upset always confused me, it wasn't disturbing though. When I grew older, I understood them and it made me realise how sensitive she really was. I think back and re-interpret events, understanding them all the time. Memories of my own mother's moments have never upset my relationship with her, nor tainted my opinion of her.


    Thanks PureInertia  Afro I'm sorry for your mum, I guess I could look at my own mother as an example, 'cause her being upset didn't upset me, it was the other stuff that did (like my father bashing her).


    Quote
    I feel this so much. My littlest brother Mikeil. What will he end up as? Will he follow suit, will he end up like my dad? Will he a violent psychopath? or will he think for himself, he was quite independent, perhaps he will break free from the shackles of religion and be his own person. Perhaps...

    Will he even remember me?


    far away hug He would remember you, he might have vague memories, but kids have some pretty amazing powers at remembering people, especially those who are family even when they haven't seen them in years and were really little the last time they saw a person.

    I wonder about my siblings too, one of my brothers has had all the traits of ASPD since he was little, although he's seemed to have mellowed out a little as he's gotten older, and my sister shows some of those traits as well.

    Thanks for dropping in PureInertia



  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #188 - July 05, 2012, 01:19 AM

    So true Tonyt, hopefully we might catch up for a coffee or something in the next couple of weeks or maybe I could see if she might want to do a play-date for the kids and have coffee whilst they run riot, but guess will see what happens.

    I don't think doctors and nurses like to be bothered by friends about medical/health advice lol, but who knows.

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy. Just don't make it the central topic of your friendship and it shouldn't be any problem. Friends ask me stuff all the time. Real friends I'll even get them good referrals but if the only time someone calls or texts me is for medical advice I can be very very non informative.

    I hope the friendship with the nurse works out well.

    Perhaps you'll become a nurse and move to .....oh my mind is slipping did you say Canada or the UK
     

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #189 - July 05, 2012, 01:23 AM

    The UK.  dance Never know, in 14 years time once my kids are all grown up I could very well do that lol.  dance
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #190 - July 05, 2012, 01:33 AM

     mysmilie_977 leave your children. In Australia  Huh?  Maybe they WA.t to go to the UK also dance

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #191 - July 05, 2012, 01:40 AM

    Lol, once they are grown up they can make their own descision about where they want to live. Maybe we'll all immigrate together to the UK, or maybe they'll have girlfriends/boyfriends by then and won't want to leave lol.

    I hope to take the kids on a trip around the world when my youngest (my son) turns 18.  yes  dance Something I want to start saving for (amongst the many other things I'm trying to save for).
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #192 - July 05, 2012, 02:05 AM

    Lol, once they are grown up they can make their own descision about where they want to live. Maybe we'll all immigrate together to the UK, or maybe they'll have girlfriends/boyfriends by then and won't want to leave lol.

    I hope to take the kids on a trip around the world when my youngest (my son) turns 18.  yes  dance Something I want to start saving for (amongst the many other things I'm trying to save for).


    Perhaps.
    There are jobs that pay you to travel.  Jobs as nurse is just one. Best way to get to travel even with children. Some jobs will pay the workers airfare for a three month contract. That is USA. Companies.  I have however met traveling nurses from the UK and Australia. Not sure about their contracts.

    The world is yours when you are ready just like so many other things you thought not possible. Even if you only dream and plan it frees you from the trap.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #193 - July 05, 2012, 11:33 AM

    True Lynna, thanks for that. I will keep dreaming, and dreams can come true.  Smiley
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #194 - July 05, 2012, 09:51 PM

    I'm glad to know that others get it, sorry that you've been through so much though PureInertia. hugs


     hugs


    I hope for your sisters that they don't end up in abusive relationships, guess the main thing with it is to remain supportive of them if they do happen to get into that sort of situation. I worry for my sister too, but hopefully she'll marry some awesome dude.


    They don't have a very good chance I'm afraid, they're most certainly to end up with some "good" Muslim with similar ideals to my father, they won't be forced, but sometimes coercion and force have pretty similar effects.


    I know right? We get to experience these things for the first time and I think from not getting to experience these things that most other people take for granted, it makes it that much more powerful and awesome when we do finally get to do these things.  dance


    I concur!  Smiley


    That sounds like an awesome memory!  Afro Happy moments in the midst of darkness and fear are like tea candles all lit up, happy moments in the midst of it all.

    A funny memory I have of my father, from when I was about 12, was when my father went into the kitchen and the rest of us were sitting at the table eating. I could see out of the corner of my eye, my father standing in the kitchen behind the kitchen counter. Anyways, for some strange reason he's got a bottle of vinegar and keeps looking down and doing something, and suddenly he starts jumping up and down shrieking in pain. We all go WTF is going on, and my mother asks him what's happened, and he tells her that he's just put the vinegar on his dick 'cause he's got candida and my mother says, "How is vinegar going to help with that? You're supposed to use yoghurt."  Cheesy We all start laughing our guts up and can't stop laughing, it's hilarious, who on earth puts vinegar on their private parts?! Only my father could do something so, ahhh what do you call it, ummm something so crazy. Cheesy Even my father ended up laughing about it and walked to the table limping.  Roll Eyes


    Haha! Yeah, shining lights in the dark appear to burn brighter. Probably because of the contrast.

    These are awesome memories though lol. Who puts vinegar on their penis!?! lol!


    far away hug He would remember you, he might have vague memories, but kids have some pretty amazing powers at remembering people, especially those who are family even when they haven't seen them in years and were really little the last time they saw a person.


    I hope so  Smiley

    I do still remember people I met when I was only 4-5.

    I used to be powerful, then I started blogging.
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #195 - July 10, 2012, 11:49 PM

    My daughter has a school project at the moment on detailing her family history/life history.  wacko

    She's supposed to provide photos of her family for a family tree (like back to grandparents). Supposed to provide photos for each year of her life. And talk about majour important events in her life to date.

    I only have 5 photos of her as a baby all at around 6/7 months of age. It was all I could save, the rest my X has on his computers (there weren't that many other photos, but I would've liked to have been able to take them with me). The rest of her photos are from 3 years old and onwards. Have thousands of photos of her from 3 years old and onwards.

    Her teacher told her that it's going to be hard for her and one other girl in class to do the project due to not having two parents in their lives and that they'll probably have to sit this project out, and I'm like fuck no, change the fucking project slightly to make it fit a range of circumstances. Not every family is two parent, and not every family fits the norm. DERR. Not that hard to do.

    My daughter already told me she doesn't want baba on the family tree. We can't exactly name any names of extended family members for the project anyway, 'cause of security reasons, same reason that my daughter's birth name is under lock and key under a different department and she is only known by her alias at school (until I manage to get it legally changed - still waiting... lawyers take for ever with these things) and her father's name isn't down anywhere except on the orders stating that he can't come near her and that he is not to be permitted to pick her up from school and the police are to be called in the event if he were to turn up. Not to mention I couldn't provide any photos of my family (except for one of my brothers) even if I wanted to, and I don't have any photos of the X's family, only a few photos of the X.

    She said to me too that she can't talk about us leaving baba as being an important event 'cause her teacher told her not to, but she wants to talk about it. So I told my daughter that she could talk about us moving to _______ the area we are in now is a pretty majour important event, as was her brother's birth, and maybe birthdays and christmases or losing teeth/going to the dentist for the first time, getting to go on an airplane ride to come here, getting her own bike, going swimming for the first time even though I don't really know how to swim and the swimming instructor from the school took her in.

    I'm stuck for stuff though...

    banghead

    Another sucky school project thanks to Mrs blah blah. Three projects this year that the teacher has told my daughter she couldn't really participate in 'cause it really is for two parent families (or for two parent families where the kids have access to both parents). I'm going to have to go in and talk to the teacher and say, "Why exactly can't she fully participate in this? Can't you change the project in my daughter's case so that it includes her fully?" But the old dragon will no doubt tell me that she's done this same project many years in a row and wouldn't put out the rest of the class room for only two children.

    She's a really good student, she's doing so well at school. Her literacy and maths is well above her level, apparently some specialist teacher gifted whatever you call it come in and said that my daughter is doing so well that she could go up a grade or enter some program for gifted kids, not that I'd let her go up a grade anyway due to the social growth problems that could 'cause. We do so much talking and reading about stuff (like cloning, dinosaurs, volcanos, etc...) at home that I hope that that will be enough for her at this stage anyway and making up our own projects at home on whatever topic it is she's interested in. And she's constantly writing/making her own books, doing art work and maths sums, reading to herself, reading to her brother. Cheesy

    She reminds me of me at that age, remember my mother taking me into Target when I was only a little older than her and telling me I could have anything I wanted under a certain price range (think it was like $10) as long as it wasn't a barbie doll (I wasn't allowed to have barbie dolls 'cause apparently they are too seductive looking) or any doll for that matter of fact. So I told my mother I wanted a maths book. My mother was shocked, she couldn't believe that I'd choose a maths book, she told me I was crazy but let me get it anyway. It was one of those write and wipe ones, and I did those sums over and over and over and over and over again for ages. I still remember the triumph I felt at getting to take home that maths book, remember my glee when I sat down and did those sums. It was like taking home a special treasure.
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #196 - July 11, 2012, 03:49 PM

    What kind of a shit teacher does not support diversity in a classroom, especially something as personal for a child as family structure? Seriously, what the fuck. I think you should complain to the director/principal/whatever if the teacher will not allow your daughter to fully participate. That's ridiculous.

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  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #197 - July 11, 2012, 07:41 PM

    I don't really blame her Luthiel, she's been teaching at this school for a long time, I've met 40+ years olds who were taught by her.  Cheesy

    Other parents from the school have talked about how she seems to be finding it harder to keep up to date with social changes and technology changes. Like the teachers are supposed to sign the kids in electronically (the other teachers do) but this one doesn't, it is still done on the paper role by her lol. She seems to be a decent person. I'll just have a chat with her, probably this morning and tell her that it's affecting my daughter and that's that... hope.  grin12

  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #198 - July 12, 2012, 04:01 AM

    Hopefully it has worked ....just talking to the teacher. Your daughter has lived enough without having to continually have it brought up to her.

    I know your frustrated and express it here.

    I'm sure your matter of fact and sympathetic with your daughter so she can calmly navigate through her emotions.

    The changing world is hard on some people. That teacher may truly have no idea what your family has been through. It is a tragedy for her if she is unable to empathize once you explain.

    There will perhaps be other children who will not have pictures for all kinds of reasons. Their house could have burned or their parents may simply not be picture takers.
     far away hug

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  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #199 - July 12, 2012, 10:22 PM

    Sounds like the old duck can only get her head around the old standard "nuclear family". Wind her up for shitz n giggles.

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  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #200 - July 13, 2012, 03:16 AM

     grin12 dance

    I've been half tempted to go with my friend and introduce my friend as my girlfriend just to see what the reaction would be lol.  Cheesy My friend would do it too (she likes coming up with evil schemes with me lol) just for the laugh. evil What fun would that be?!  Cheesy

    My daughter probably wouldn't appreciate it though.

    I've wondered what reaction the teacher would have if she had say a kid who had like three parents (two dads and one mum or vice versa), man that would really throw it all out the window wouldn't it?  Cheesy

    But yeah, she seems to be stuck in time, unable to move forward.

    Had the conversation with her, but it got nowhere, she still maintains that the project will stay as it is and it was designed for two parent families and she's not going to modify it. I told the teacher that my daughter will be doing the project and that it will just have to fit us and our circumstances and if my daughter is excluded or only allowed to partially participate that we'll have to have a constructive problem solving session involving the principle. She didn't really say anything after that, she kind of looked shocked, taken aback maybe.  

    Like really, what can the teacher do about it? Get mad? Get pissed off? Get cranky? Exclude my daughter (not this time baby, not on my watch)? What can she really do to stop my daughter from being involved if I'm going to stand up and say no, no way, she's doing this project and she's going to do it to fit our family situation, I'm not going to stand by and let her be excluded not even partially. There is really nothing she can do. Worse comes to worse, we can take it up with the principle, and see what will happen and I'm pretty sure that the principle will back me up on this.

    This is life, life doesn't come in neat tidy boxes, families come in lots of different shapes and sizes.

    Thank fuck that parents are supposed to be involved with this project, 'cause I'm going to make sure my daughter gets to be involved every step of the way. No one is going to fucking exclude my kids based on their family status/how many parents they have. Uh uh. Angry
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #201 - July 13, 2012, 05:25 AM

    Good for you. Should wake her up a bit. Smiley

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  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #202 - July 14, 2012, 12:01 AM

    Righteous assertiveness ftw!  Afro

    how fuck works without shit??


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  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #203 - July 14, 2012, 12:32 AM

    I see where playing with the old ladies head might seem like a fun and rewarding game. One I'd like to play. evil in the end that likely isn't best for your daughter. However getting the feather to understand that excluding any child on the grounds of family situation discriminatory and has no place in the classroom.  In fact if it happens repeatedly I would check with a lawyer to see if it could be classified as criminal. A nicely placed question like, "Is it a criminal act to discriminate again a person a the gtounds of social status?". Might draw an interesting response.  Might even want to check out first .to make sure that it is. So that your implied threat could become real if need be.

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  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #204 - July 18, 2012, 12:34 PM

    Sooo... for fun, went browsing today, through some muslim forums, to read what people are writing these days, what's the latest gossip, are people still coming up with the usual conspiracy theories, you know the rest... ok, so I was bored, really bored.

    Stupid me though, 'cause it just made me sad.

    Found a thread on one muslim forum regarding ex-muslims, talking about how they knew someone who left islam, why would they do it etc... etc... and the responses were sickening but not surprising. Bleh. Why do I read such stuff I do not know. Sometimes I think I was born with a brick in my head rather than a brain.

    The conspiracy theories really ice the cake though, still find myself shaking my head at them... I know the whole roll, know the whole deal, know the plot as if off by heart, have heard them since I was a child, over and over and over again. Bleh.

    One was a thread on the whole Christian Martinez thing, you know the convert who was lashed 40 times in his own home by some salafis who broke into his home and gave him a whipping 'cause he'd drunk some alcohol (here, in this country)...

    And some people's comments were great, saying how disgusting it was, and the rest of the comments went straight into the conspiracy arguments: the convert must've been payed to say it, the whole story was made up, the jews probably whipped him pretending to be muslim, etc... etc... etc... very little was said in support of the convert, most of the comments were basically said that it was all a big lie, or that the media had made a huge kafufaloo over nothing, that the guy deserved it for drinking alcohol, and that people shouldn't be back-biting against the men who did it 'cause no one had heard their side of the story (again going into arguments that they were justified or that the media had made it all up so that some good men could go to jail)... on and on, blah blah blah.

    I wish I knew what happened to that guy, poor guy, wonder if he left Islam, or is still in, hope he's ok. What a fucking nightmare that night would've been for him. no If you ever read this Christian, my heart goes out to you, what happened was not ok, and so glad that you were brave enough to go to the police about it, you have courage my man! Courage and bravery.  yes

    Sad that some people (muslim people) find it hard to spare him a thought in it all, when he himself is muslim who had done nothing wrong other than drink some alcohol in his own home, and you have dickheads who can't get past what media coverage will do for their faith. Oh no, don't worry about how it's affected this guy, oh no, don't worry about the fact that his experience could've made him lose faith altogether. Don't worry about not defending Islam's reputation as being non-violent (very little defending the actions of the men who whipped the convert on this thread I read - which speaks volumes about what most of the people on that thread really thought about whether the punishment was due or not)... instead go straight into conspiracy theories, and blaming the victim, and condemning anyone who dares say that these men's actions were wrong.

    Crazy too, 'cause it's considered a more "moderate" muslim forum where you'd think people would be more inclined to denounce this sort of behaviour (breaking into someone's house and whipping them) than defend the guys who did it. But then again, says alot about the mentality doesn't it? Oh no, protect our image, protect the Ummah, you can't believe what those kuffaar say, even if it's a muslim who's been hurt and has gone to the kafir justice system for help, no no, the victim must be to blame, why else would those men whip him in his own home?!

    What's sad about it too, is some person's inability to see how disgusting the lack of concern for one of their own kind who has been viciously beaten in his own home by some thugs is, the lack of response to the wrong done to the man, and the attempts to pin it on anyone but a muslim, 'cause anything that gets bad press is never the responsibility of a muslim... it's all a conspiracy, and even if it wasn't, even if it was muslims doing their duty (as some seemed to think) by whipping the man, then it's still a conspiracy by all those evil zionist kuffaar who want to make a big deal out of something that is a religious right (yet feel embarrassed that this right has been exposed for the world to see)!

    Ugh.

    What's sad too, is that I knew some of the posters who posted in some of those threads, though I'm not surprised 'cause those were the types of things that I heard come out of their mouths time and again. Just makes me sad, people seemingly stuck in time, stuck in the grime and shit, stuck in a warped reality where the public image of Islam is more important than some man who got beaten in his own home just 'cause he drank some alcohol.

    Oooh, and that's the other thing, muslims arguing on that forum (have seen elsewhere countless of times) not to talk about the dirty secrets of Islam, or anything that could 'cause people to open their eyes up about the not-so-pretty aspects of Islam, and all 'cause of public image! Wanting to protect the image.

    Like in the thread where the OP was this person saying that they know someone who's left islam, why would they do such a thing? a number of people answered why they think people leave Islam (we're weak, we're selfish, we never were really muslim to start with, we are in the MINORITY as someone put in capital letters, we were paid, we wanted the sex, booze and an easy life, we want to be white, only converts leave islam, only sex-crazed drug addicts leave islam, no one really leaves islam it's all a conspiracy by the jews to make muslims doubt etc... ).

    And then someone answered saying that the muslim community has many problems in it that makes people want to leave islam and that some parts of Islam (like hadith) can be harsh, and the rest of the thread just snowballed into everyone telling this dude off for exposing the not-side-nice parts of being a muslim, that one shouldn't talk about this sort of stuff on the internet, on a public forum where non-muslims can see it, etc...

    It all comes back to saving face doesn't it? Is that what it is?

    Bleh.
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #205 - July 24, 2012, 02:20 PM

    snip snip
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #206 - August 02, 2012, 10:12 PM

    Checked my mailbox last night (was too busy with other crap yesterday to be bothered with the mailbox), and got a letter from centrelink.

    Good news from centrelink, is that they owe me some money from the last financial year.

    Bad news is they are cutting me off one of my payments because they reckon I didn't bring some forms in - hence the reason my last pay was so small (I was too busy with all the crap that's been going on to really take much notice - I'd thought it was odd that my last pay was half of what it usually is), basically only one payment went in last week and not the other one.  finmad

    Thing is, I brought those forms in, and checked with them 3 times to make sure that they'd got them and asked them repeatedly if they'd processed them and they'd said yes every single time. So in essence they fucked up and didn't process the forms even though they'd said they had.

    It's not a big deal, 'cause I'll just go in today and talk to them and I'll get back paid and they'll probably appollogize and say it's just the system, paperwork gets lost etc... as they've done before, but still, centrelink screws up so fucking often. I wish I didn't have to be supported by centrelink, but my painting jobs can be temperamental, in that some months I get a few and other months I get none.

    I was so mad, thank fuck centrelink isn't open at that time of night, 'cause I wanted to go marching in there and tear a few people a new one. In reality though, I was just overwhelmed and stressed out from the other stuff I've had to deal with in the last while, and getting mad at centrelink was just a scapegoat at the time, something to be mad at whilst I should be directing my anger at someone else.

    All in all, not angry at centrelink any more (just annoyed) and will keep marching forward in life and wipe the shit off as I go, life goes on...
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #207 - August 21, 2012, 07:58 AM

    Am back from the ICU. Was not fun. no

    Low sodium and potassium levels which sent my heart into crack-up mode and my brain started shutting down, if I hadn't rung emergency when I did, within a couple of hours I would've been in a coma or dead, or so the doctors at the ICU said. I didn't feel that sick though, like I did feel sick, but didn't feel sick enough to be like critically ill...  Undecided all I knew was that something was wrong with my body and thought I'd be safer to get it checked out by a doctor than to ignore it. Lucky I guess. Never again will I ignore symptoms for so long again.

    Ugh. Feel like crap, so tired lol. Glad to be out of that place. Not staying on here long tonight as I'm exhausted, but will get back into the swing of things tomorrow.

    Geez, life sure knows how to throw shit doesn't it?  Cheesy

    Other than that, kids are good, house is an absolute mess (my friend came and looked after the kids), and the weather is friggin' weird.

    Missed the forum and you guys. Hope everyone is well and hope life is treating you all well.  Smiley
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #208 - August 21, 2012, 08:48 AM

    Welcome back Da_Dude, I was wondering where you had got to. Try and take it easy now, rest lots and look after yourself  far away hug
  • Re: Broken Birdie Flying - Blog of this Ex-Muslim
     Reply #209 - August 21, 2012, 11:43 PM

    I wondered why you hadn't been on you blog. I thought I had seen you from time to to time on the shouts but I had my own hospital stay and was not real keeping up. Sorry.

    I'm glad you are feeling better and all turned out okay. Please don't push yourself so hard in future. Get some of your issues taken care of so you'll be able to take care of your future and your children.

     Big hug  be well

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