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  • Martial art choices?
     OP - April 22, 2012, 07:09 PM

    One of the things I've promised myself I will do this year, is jump on the Ishina wagon and explore using martial arts to gain some confidence in myself since I still remember her very good post (which I can't remember where it was) about how martial arts was a great tool for her in finding her inner peace.  It has stayed with me since then and I am ready to take myself off to some classes (even though it means there are people there Grin ).

    I want to do something as a family so whatever I choose I intend to book the children in as well.  My eldest son's teacher believes that it would be a great tool for him and his disorder too and I think all of us could benefit from it.

    The thing is there are so many choices and I don't want to be put off by the experience by joining some shabby money making scheme that really teaches me and my family nothing.

    I also want to learn tai chi aswell, I have read that it is really good for finding inner calm, so ideally whatever I choose I would want it not just to be about the defence skills, but a hollistic inclusion of that sort of style.

    I want to learn to defend myself and at the same time to calm myself.

    So basically what recommendations would any of you who have tried it out, make for me and my kids?

    I did google search before making this post, I figured if I could see what was on offer locally I could then post it here and have opinions on it, but I think it would be better to tailor my search based on a specific type since there is plenty of choices.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #1 - April 22, 2012, 07:22 PM

    I recommend Aikido.  (Ah - ee - kee - daw)

    Its more of a defensive than offensive martial art.
    (using the opponent's energy rather than your own)

    When I took it, we did quite a bit of breathing and
    and "clearing the mind" meditation that I found to
    be very helpful.

    Its principle is based on the "unification of mind, body and spirit"
    philosophy.

    Its not as hard on the body as some of the other arts, although
    it still requires the building of strength and stamina.

    Just a thought Smiley

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #2 - April 22, 2012, 07:26 PM

    Is it good exercise too?  I'm defintely looking to tone up and get fit at the same time. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #3 - April 22, 2012, 08:05 PM

    oh yes, you WILL get plenty of exercise!  LOL

    You need to build up stmaina and endurance.
    Only way to do that is (drum roll please)


    exercise! LOL  Try it. you can always quit if you
    dont like it.  The stretching excersies are... well..
    they hurt like hell if you are out of shape lol.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #4 - April 22, 2012, 08:09 PM

    I enjoyed judo as a kid, I think it has a lot of strong self-defence aspects to it and it's fairly good excercise, plus suitable for the family (I think).

    I always wanted to take up krav-maga, as I've heard it's the most practical self-defence martial art, but I'm not sure what it's like for excercise or family-friendly.

    I'm hoping we have experienced practitioners of either on the forum?

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #5 - April 22, 2012, 08:12 PM

    Boxing is good for self defense and i'm pretty sure it gives you a good workout.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #6 - April 22, 2012, 08:13 PM

    Is it really family friendly though given all the blows one must take to the head?

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #7 - April 22, 2012, 08:34 PM

    Watch this berbs....

    I really like it from 1:36 onward lol

    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=aikido&view=detail&mid=8285BAB913A501D7E56D8285BAB913A501D7E56D&first=0&qpvt=aikido

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #8 - April 22, 2012, 08:35 PM

    Is it really family friendly though given all the blows one must take to the head?


    Well, there's the headgear for that.

    If you opt for a purely stand-up art, I think Muay Thai has an edge on boxing, since it incorporates kicks, knees, elbows, and some clinching as well.

    If you think you'd enjoy pure grappling more, you can't go wrong with jiu-jitsu. Just make sure to buy ear guards to prevent cauliflower ears.

    None of those have tai chi, though.

    Have you heard the good news? There is no God!
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #9 - April 22, 2012, 08:53 PM

    My little nephew has started Tae Kwondo. He’s 2 years and 8 months. He tells me he broke a board at the class and was rewarded with a banana! Cheesy
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #10 - April 22, 2012, 10:03 PM

    This used to be one of my favourite past-times (i'm still a shit though BTW) until islam and injuries got in the way. I'll try to keep my perspective concise. And seeing as you don't like youtube vids I'll have to try to write it Roll Eyes, here goes;

    There's alot of bullshit in martial arts when it comes to developing self protection, and I mean alot. And the bullshit get's even worse when you get into the murky world of spirituality and martial arts.

    The best form of self protection IMO and IME is 3 things; awareness, and avoidance skills, and carrying yourself with dignity. If you develop those 3 things you'll spot, avoid and deter trouble before it becomes physical.

    Like Dave Turton (a famous self protection instructor) said; this isn't the starship enterprise, people don't materialize holding your lapels. There are many indicators before contact, and you have to learn to deal with things at a pre-contact level.

    Many 'street-fighters' come out on top, not because they are more skilled than there target, but because they know how to stack the odds in their favour in the pre-contact and contact stage by surprising their attacker.

    When it comes to what makes a martial art functional in sport or 'in the streets' the answer comes down to a concept coined by Matt Thornton - Aliveness. Unfortunately - like the matrix - noone can be told what aliveness is you have to see it;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL05Es8LVAQ

    But if you don't want to watch that, here's a blog entry by Matt on Aliveness;

    http://aliveness101.blogspot.co.uk/2005/07/why-aliveness.html

    All Matt did was articulate the underlying methodology behind every combat sport and functional martial art. He didn't invent anything - but if you understand that concept it's very difficult to be bullshitted in martial arts.

    Regarding finding a martial art that is functional and provides you with a form of meditation, I haven't come across one personally.

    If you are serious about learning self-protection I'd advise you to go to a school affiliated with the british combat association, you'll get top notch training for self-protection.

    If you want a functional martial art that can be used as a tool for self-protection I'd advise a combat sport. The cheapest and the most widely available are; Judo and Boxing. You might like Brazillian Jiu Jitsu.

    I can't help with calming because I wouldn't class most tai chi classes as a martial art class, I'd class it as a form of exercise like Yoga. Ditto Aikido.

    IME after a good session in a combat sport it releases alot of pent up energy, and regarding how combat sports or atheletic activities in general can facilitate self-acceptance I like this quote;

    Quote
    Finally, all that’s left is a sports like environment, and performance. At this point it’s time for the ego’s last step. The realization that measurement itself is futility.

    Although what you are now left doing is a million times more ‘real’ than anything an image based Martial Artist will ever engage in; it still must not serve as a measurement of who YOU are.

    Why? For one it’s always relative so you must evaluate yourself ONLY based on YOUR own increases in performance. And although that requires another person, or opponent, that does not mean you are measuring yourself against that person. You only measure your progress based on your previous skill level, not their previous skill level. There will ALWAYS be someone better, stronger, faster, or smarter on any given day. There will also ALWAYS be people you will better then, on any given day. Therefore that form of measurement is meaningless at best. All that matters is that you grow in comparison to where you where before, NOT in comparison to who you could or could not beat before.

     - http://www.straightblastgym.com/newbook.htm
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #11 - April 22, 2012, 10:08 PM

    I wholeheartedly guarantee that this single short video (literally under 5 minutes) is the best and most honest advice you'll ever come across regarding self-protection;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oRVpyD0esQ

    I can't recommend this enough.
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #12 - April 23, 2012, 01:35 AM

    Agree with everything strangestdude has posted. Its really easy to get suckered into training at a bullshido dojo/gym, or in my case getting signed up into it by parents. 4 years of Karate was pretty much a waste other than learning some timing and coordination for kicking. On its own its more useful in a soccer match than a real street fight / self defense situation.

    Do your research and due diligence before investing time/money/energy at one of these places. Look into credentials and DEFINITELY watch how they train, and trust your gut as to whether it seems useful to you or not. Lot of mystical mumbo jumbo shysters working in this business.

    Good luck in finding what's right for you berbs!  Afro

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #13 - April 23, 2012, 02:00 AM

    You know what's ridiculously good fun and a full workout and a partial dance class? Capoeira. Not sure if they have it in Britain because of its South American roots but it's soooo much fun and so educational. I always left my sessions in a fanatic mood because of the solidarity in the group and with the maestro. You should totes look into some locations around you, if any. I'm looking for classes that start in the summer as we speak.  dance

    "I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want."
    Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #14 - April 23, 2012, 02:16 AM

    Mexican Judo.

    fuck you
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #15 - April 23, 2012, 02:55 AM

    Capoeira. Not sure if they have it in Britain because of its South American roots

    You what?



    Tai chi would be my suggestion, but I think you may have to calm down and get rid of some of your shit before getting the best out of it.

    It's a passive martial art, every 'passive' move designed to make an aggressor bounce off you.
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #16 - April 23, 2012, 03:32 AM

    Berbs in one year. Minus the gun and pillow. Dress included though. 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmrMHPSJ8jQ

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #17 - April 23, 2012, 03:35 AM

    Mexican Judo.

     I don't know about Mexican Judo, but another mystic Mexican martial art is very effective

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo97Fe2ERTs

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #18 - April 23, 2012, 06:51 AM

    Well, a lot has been covered already, but I'd urge you to choose based on teacher and dojo rather than martial art. Especially since your kids are coming along.

    I suppose it depends what you want to get out of the experience in the long-term, but there is only superficial difference between the arts at entry level. No matter what martial art you choose, your kids and you are gonna cultivate self-esteem, self-awareness, self-discipline and gain practical payoff with regular, solid cardio exercise and body conditioning. Provided you find a decent dojo of course.

    Any dojo worth going to will let you have a trial before you commit. Do some hands-on research for a good while first. Find the dojo that's the best fit for you. Get involved straight away if it's an option. Don't let them sit you on the sidelines to watch. Get rid of any initial misgivings by diving straight in. By doing rather than watching. Maybe go to a different one each week for a few weeks. That can be an adventure in itself. Get the kids involved with the decision making process, let them have some control and gain a little confidence with that.

    Above all else, watch the instructor. Get a sense of what he or she can offer you and your kids - don't look for impressive physical technique but a talent for imparting essential life skills and a passion for it. See how they divide their time, how they deal with people on an individual level as well as how they lead the group. Get a sense of the camaraderie and how the students interact with each other, how inclusive the experience is, the bonds that have formed with each other and the love and respect they have for the instructor. Be wary of cliques or favouritism or unconstructive competitiveness. Look at how confident, friendly and helpful the students are around newcomers. Because that's the attitude your kids will be learning.

    Don't be overly concerned with flashy style, expensive equipment, apparent success and competition record either. A small class on a tight budget can easily be overlooked but might have a more vital family bond and the intimacy a larger and more successful school might lack. You never know. Don't settle for the more convenient option. The only compromise you should be making in this decision is for your kids. And don't get pressured into signing up before you are absolutely sure. Find the right dojo even if it means travelling a little bit further. Trust your instinct.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #19 - April 23, 2012, 02:32 PM

    I do taoist taichi, and I recommend going with the original!

    http://www.taoist.org/

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #20 - April 23, 2012, 03:47 PM

    omg wyre.. i was just gonna say that! LOL

    here ya go berbs.. this could be you and your kids!   dance

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_WUzUhzXww&feature=related

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #21 - April 23, 2012, 03:57 PM

    and berbs.. i found the perfect teacher for you LMAO!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt26JJ-vsnw&NR=1&feature=fvwp

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #22 - April 23, 2012, 04:02 PM

    Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu supplemented with Muay Thai. After a few months, you'll be able to take almost anyone out. Tongue
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #23 - April 23, 2012, 05:49 PM

    MMA is pretty good training and good fitness. If your looking for a martial art skill that is big into practicality and fitness while less so on the meditative side BJJ and muay thai are good ways to go

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #24 - April 23, 2012, 06:14 PM

    It's a passive martial art, every 'passive' move designed to make an aggressor bounce off you.


    No offence to you David but the concept of yielding that you're talking about is functional, but the way a tai chi teacher will often tell students to utilize it is bullshit that will get them hurt.

    The arts that use yielding the most and functionally are Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, and Judo IMO.

    Even dudes who are have a reputation for being able to use Tai Chi effectively don't use it in the way that most tai chi teachers teach their students - I'm referring to dudes like Su Dong Chen, and Peter Ralston - and they aren't passive fighters.  

    Or check out Floyd Mayweather KOing Ricky Hatton for one of the best examples of using your opponents own momentum against them.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK9en6g9JTQ
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #25 - April 23, 2012, 06:19 PM

    No offence taken.

    I don't think anyone starts tai chi imagining that it will help them in a fight.
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #26 - April 23, 2012, 06:24 PM

    I did.  Wink

    And believe me there are alot of people who buy into that bullshit - and I mean alot. I've personally met people who have spent 1000's of pounds pursuing that crap.
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #27 - April 23, 2012, 06:51 PM

    Aikido is also known as the "dancing" martial art.
    Physically demanding while learning it, but
    you wind up using the other person's energy
    to kick the shit outa them while you just stand
    there an look at them like...   whistling2


    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #28 - April 23, 2012, 06:57 PM

    Nice theory  Smiley
  • Re: Martial art choices?
     Reply #29 - April 23, 2012, 06:59 PM

    You what?

     Someone in the Britain thread said that it was hard finding Mexican takeaway, so finding a Brazilian martial arts class sounds like it wouldn't be that easy either. Tongue

    omg wyre.. i was just gonna say that! LOL

     Fuck yeah, similar thought processes. cool2

    "I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want."
    Muhammad Ali
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