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  • Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     OP - April 26, 2012, 04:53 PM

    Apparently I need to start thinking in Pashto when considering financial situations and then avoid it when gambling.  grin12

    Really interesting article!

    Quote
    To judge a risk more clearly, it may help to consider it in a foreign language.

    A series of experiments on more than 300 people from the US and Korea found that thinking in a second language reduced deep-seated, misleading biases that unduly influence how risks and benefits are perceived.

    "Would you make the same decisions in a foreign language as you would in your native tongue?" asked psychologists led by Boaz Keysar of the University of Chicago in an April 18 Psychological Science study.

    "It may be intuitive that people would make the same choices regardless of the language they are using, or that the difficulty of using a foreign language would make decisions less systematic. We discovered, however, that the opposite is true: Using a foreign language reduces decision-making biases," wrote Keysar’s team.

    Psychologists say human reasoning is shaped by two distinct modes of thought: one that’s systematic, analytical and cognition-intensive, and another that’s fast, unconscious and emotionally charged.

    In light of this, it’s plausible that the cognitive demands of thinking in a non-native, non-automatic language would leave people with little leftover mental horsepower, ultimately increasing their reliance on quick-and-dirty cogitation.

    Equally plausible, however, is that communicating in a learned language forces people to be deliberate, reducing the role of potentially unreliable instinct. Research also shows that immediate emotional reactions to emotively charged words are muted in non-native languages, further hinting at deliberation.

    To investigate these possibilities, Keysar’s team developed several tests based on scenarios originally proposed by psychologist Daniel Kahneman, who in 2002 won a Nobel Prize in economics for his work on prospect theory, which describes how people intuitively perceive risk.

    In one famous example, Kahneman showed that, given the hypothetical option of saving 200 out of 600 lives, or taking a chance that would either save all 600 lives or none at all, people prefer to save the 200—yet when the problem is framed in terms of losing lives, many more people prefer the all-or-nothing chance rather than accept a guaranteed loss of 400 lives.

    People are, in a nutshell, instinctively risk-averse when considering gain and risk-taking when faced with loss, even when the essential decision is the same. It’s a gut-level human predisposition, and if second-language thinking made people think less systematically, Keysar’s team supposed the tendency would be magnified. Conversely, if second-language thinking promoted deliberation, the tendency would be diminished.

    The first experiment involved 121 American students who learned Japanese as a second language. Some were presented in English with a hypothetical choice: To fight a disease that would kill 600,000 people, doctors could either develop a medicine that saved 200,000 lives, or a medicine with a 33.3 percent chance of saving 600,000 lives and a 66.6 percent chance of saving no lives at all.


    Results of two tests of foreign language effects on framing biases. In each, people were given the choice between sure savings or an all-or-nothing bet. Bars show how many people preferred sure savings when the choice was framed in terms of gains (black) or losses (white) and considered in their native language (left pair) or second language (right pair).
    Keysar et al./Psychological Science
    Nearly 80 percent of the students chose the safe option. When the problem was framed in terms of losing rather than saving lives, the safe-option number dropped to 47 percent. When considering the same situation in Japanese, however, the safe-option number hovered around 40 percent, regardless of how choices were framed. The role of instinct appeared reduced.

    Two subsequent experiments in which the hypothetical situation involved job loss rather than death, administered to 144 native Korean speakers from Korea’s Chung Nam National University and 103 English speakers studying abroad in Paris, found the same pattern of enhanced deliberation. "Using a foreign language diminishes the framing effect," wrote Keysar’s team.

    The researchers next tested how language affected decisions on matters of direct personal import. According to prospect theory, the possibility of small losses outweigh the promise of larger gains, a phenomenon called myopic risk aversion and rooted in emotional reactions to the idea of loss.

    The same group of Korean students was presented with a series of hypothetical low-loss, high-gain bets. When offered bets in Korean, just 57 percent took them. When offered in English, that number rose to 67 percent, again suggesting heightened deliberation in a second language.

    To see if the effect held up in real-world betting, Keysar’s team recruited 54 University of Chicago students who spoke Spanish as a second language. Each received $15 in $1 bills, each of which could be kept or bet on a coin toss. If they lost a toss, they’d lose the dollar, but winning returned the dollar and another $1.50—a proposition that, over multiple bets, would likely be profitable.

    When the proceedings were conducted in English, just 54 percent of students took the bets, a number that rose to 71 percent when betting in Spanish. "They take more bets in a foreign language because they expect to gain in the long run, and are less affected by the typically exaggerated aversion to losses," wrote Keysar and colleagues.

    The researchers believe a second language provides a useful cognitive distance from automatic processes, promoting analytical thought and reducing unthinking, emotional reaction.

    "Given that more and more people use a foreign language on a daily basis, our discovery could have far-reaching implications," they wrote, suggesting that people who speak a second language might use it when considering financial decisions. "Over a long time horizon, this might very well be beneficial."



    http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/04/thinking-in-foreign-language-makes-decisions-more-rational.ars?clicked=related_right

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #1 - April 26, 2012, 06:29 PM

    Very interesting article.   yes

    However this:

    Quote
    Equally plausible, however, is that communicating in a learned language forces people to be deliberate, reducing the role of potentially unreliable instinct. Research also shows that immediate emotional reactions to emotively charged words are muted in non-native languages, further hinting at deliberation.


    is it that my Moroccan is not Non-native enough?  because if you swear at me in either english or moroccan my reactions are so NOT fucking muted.  

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #2 - April 26, 2012, 06:33 PM

    Perhaps it's that you have strong emotional reactions to swearing in Moroccan because of the strong childhood ties you have to such words. In that they mean more than mere words you hear. They may be loaded with memories.

    Just thinking~

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #3 - April 26, 2012, 06:56 PM

    Don't we usually think without any language? like dots? "............."

    Bazinga!
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #4 - April 26, 2012, 07:36 PM

    I think in languages, not dots.

    I realised this when I found myself thinking in French at one stage. It made me way too pretentious and I didn't like it a bit.
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #5 - April 26, 2012, 07:39 PM

    What does it mean to think in dots?

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #6 - April 27, 2012, 08:07 AM

    Interesting.

    The thing is, I'm not sure what language I think in, because I'm not really sure I think in a language.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #7 - April 27, 2012, 08:36 AM

    Perhaps it's that you have strong emotional reactions to swearing in Moroccan because of the strong childhood ties you have to such words. In that they mean more than mere words you hear. They may be loaded with memories.

    Just thinking~


    Good point.   yes

    You know I actually tried to think in Moroccan yesterday and it was harder than I thought it would be.  Grin

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #8 - April 27, 2012, 08:36 AM

    What does it mean to think in dots?


    .



    Just thought I'd put that out there.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #9 - April 27, 2012, 08:49 AM

    Very interesting article.   yes

    However this:

    is it that my Moroccan is not Non-native enough?  because if you swear at me in either english or moroccan my reactions are so NOT fucking muted.  


    Same here Berbs, have the same reactions to Arabic and English.
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #10 - April 27, 2012, 08:55 AM

    What does it mean to think in dots?

    You have a morse code disorder?
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #11 - April 27, 2012, 10:44 AM

    Fascinating. I definitely think in language, even full sentences usually. I wish I spoke more than one language though. Cry

    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #12 - April 27, 2012, 11:42 AM

    I think you have plenty of time to learn more than one language, given how youg you are.

    About the topic at hand: am I the only one who feels like I'm slowing down my thinking process when I try to put my thoughts into words? It's something I've noticed a long time ago.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #13 - April 27, 2012, 11:48 AM

    English so stupid: you can have a spoiled apple or a spoiled child... I bet native speakers don't normally even realize that the same word represent different things in such cases, that would have different words in other languages.

    There are apparently many reasons to hate English language:
    http://littlecalamity.tripod.com/Text/HateEnglish.html

    I'm somewhat trilingual when thinking in languages, though like Naerys I also think without them. How? - Maybe different languages with their words, phrases, etc represent same ideas that can be represented in other ways, like dots or images... IDK

    Even though English is the most stupid, ambiguous, illogical of the three I know I still like it a lot and I'm not sure why.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #14 - April 27, 2012, 11:57 AM

    I would think that the ambiguity you mentioned adds literary richness and beauty. I love plays on words. yes

    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #15 - April 27, 2012, 12:30 PM

    ^True. However sometimes it can be annoying and a cause of miscommunication, as if human communication needs more obstacles.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #16 - April 27, 2012, 01:36 PM

    True.

    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #17 - April 27, 2012, 06:50 PM

    .



    Just thought I'd put that out there.


    LOL.

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #18 - April 27, 2012, 09:26 PM

    But spoiled in the example above means the same in both cases!

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #19 - April 27, 2012, 09:28 PM

    Back to the OP I am not sure, although has anyone asked do ex muslims speak more languages than muslims generally?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #20 - April 27, 2012, 10:27 PM

    But spoiled in the example above means the same in both cases!


    LOL how? I think you proved my point:

    Of course I can see parallels as in both are not good (and even here we have to ignore "technical/ functional good" versus "moral good"), Say you're a sam harris, then there's no aforementioned difference, good is good, it's still a stretch to say they mean the same thing. IMHO, there are more parallels between "spoiled" in "spoiled apple" and "rusty" or "broken" in a "rusty car", yet you don't say "spoiled car" or "rusty apple" since it doesn't mean the same thing. Plus spoiling in an apple comes from apple itself, it's in apple's DNA so blame the apple I suppose, yet no one should blame a child for being spoiled since the spoiling came from outside.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #21 - April 28, 2012, 08:36 PM

    Spoiled meat is gone off, rotten, a bit smelly, not quite right.  A spoiled child is also gone off, not quite right...

    The causes - not keeping and looking after them properly are the same, although the actors - poor hygiene or refrigeration or parenting are different, but again they are both failures of whoever was responsible not doing something they should have.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #22 - April 28, 2012, 11:02 PM

    interesting...

    guess i better start thinking in english from now on
  • Re: Thinking in foreign language makes decisions more rational
     Reply #23 - April 28, 2012, 11:06 PM

    This makes sense, poor decisions are often made when we act 'instinctively' or automatically, thinking in a different language requires effort so it seems right.


    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
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