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  • Greek Buddhism
     OP - May 30, 2012, 06:06 PM

    Here is a cool documentary on Greek Buddhism. If you have no interest in history, philosophy, or comparitive religion then don't bother watching it as it will be boring and you will feel like you are back in school.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAURSqQ8-Yc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F1cR5FYnP8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTz1KFkIDEw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBHzcl0jc0Y
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #1 - May 30, 2012, 06:30 PM

    Cool, thanks for the links! Just watched the first video. Afro

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #2 - May 30, 2012, 07:06 PM


    Favourited for watching later, right up my street this is.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #3 - May 30, 2012, 08:30 PM

    Megasthene-Indika

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #4 - June 01, 2012, 04:44 AM

    Interesting how Buddhism is teaching to abandon duality, either happiness or sadness etc, and earlier I checked up some stuff on CBT and this guy was explaining how it tries to work towards the calm middle state between seeing just two extreme frames of mind of happy and upset, as the best frame of mind from which to handle what life throws at you.

    Seems a bit obvious, but thinking about it, I'm either mainly striving to be in 'happy' state, or fallen into 'upset' state, so never really steadying in the calm frame of mind, least not for long.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #5 - June 01, 2012, 04:46 AM

    CBT?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #6 - June 01, 2012, 04:49 AM

    Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #7 - June 01, 2012, 04:50 AM

    Ah. Calm is good sometimes.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #8 - June 01, 2012, 04:52 AM

    I'm either mainly striving to be in 'happy' state, or fallen into 'upset' state..........

    So never actually in a happy state?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #9 - June 01, 2012, 04:54 AM

    Greek Buddhism - two words I never thought I'd see side by side.

    Almost in the 'Famous Belgian' class.



    Getting a proper internet connection tomorrow, so I'll be able to watch it without buffering. Yippee.
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #10 - June 01, 2012, 04:58 AM

    So never actually in a happy state?


    Lol. Mm, occasionally, but mostly towards the upset/sad state, or in the 'upset' state. It's this subconscious idea in some peoples heads of two states of being and has to be one or the other, and not being content in calm.  ( sort of makes sense to me)

    Ah. Calm is good sometimes.


    I like calm, feels in control. (Stably)-Confident etc, productive etc happens in calm mind frame.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #11 - June 01, 2012, 04:58 AM

    Greek Buddhism - two words I never thought I'd see side by side.

    Hey I'm sure Buddhists do anal too.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #12 - June 01, 2012, 04:59 AM

    Greek Buddhism was a real and lasting phenomena.  It just isn't emphasized much in "Western history" classes because "Western history" tends to focus more on the Western Roman empire and not the nexus between the East and West futher east of the Western Roman Empire.  

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #13 - June 01, 2012, 05:02 AM

    Yeah, it's quite interesting learning about this connection, had not a clue about this one.


    Greek Buddhism was a real and lasting phenomena.  It just isn't emphasized much in "Western history" classes because "Western history" tends to focus more on the Western Roman empire and not the nexus between the East and West futher east of the Western Roman Empire.  


    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #14 - June 01, 2012, 05:07 AM

    I like calm, feels in control. (Stably)-Confident etc, productive etc happens in calm mind frame.

    I think the state you want is "satorial elegance". grin12

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #15 - June 01, 2012, 05:09 AM

    I think the state you want is "satorial elegance". grin12


    -.- lol Tongue

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #16 - June 01, 2012, 09:54 AM

    Greek Buddhism was a real and lasting phenomena.  It just isn't emphasized much in "Western history" classes because "Western history" tends to focus more on the Western Roman empire and not the nexus between the East and West futher east of the Western Roman Empire.  


    This is so exciting to learn.

    Haven't watched the videos yet, will do soon.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Greek Buddhism
     Reply #17 - June 01, 2012, 10:37 AM

    This might be defined as Greek Taoism!

    Quote
    THE JESUS SUTRAS: AN ANCIENT MESSAGE FOR A POST-MODERNIST FUTURE
    by Martin Palmer
    MARTIN PALMER

    For over 30 years I have been profoundly interested in the faiths, cultures, history and philosophies of ancient China. Most especially, I have been intrigued by that strange phenomenon, ancient Christianity in China. When I mention this deep interest, the most common response is a puzzled look and the question “What ancient Christianity?” Chinese Christianity dates from early in the Seventh Century, but it has been a closely kept secret, both for China and for Christianity. The tradition, as it developed, drew upon not only Christian imagery and philosophy, but also the wisdom of Daoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism. The texts that survive are few, but fascinating.  My colleagues and I, in recent years, entered, through them, the conceptual world of these early Chinese Christians. Most marvelous of all, hidden in plain sight in China’s heart, we discovered the earliest monastery—adorned with the earliest Christian artwork—that still survives. 

    The Discovery of a Treasure
    The place was not far from where, if legend can be believed, Lao Tzu wrote the Dao De Ching. In an incident straight out of a fairytale, it was an aged seller of amulets who was the instrument of revelation. My colleagues and I had come to Lou Guan Tai, the site of the greatest official Daoist temple. I believed that the earliest Christian church in China was located nearby.

    West of the main temple, we saw a perilously leaning seven-storey pagoda. We asked an old woman, a vendor of amulets, sitting nearby what religion it represented. “It is Buddhist,” she replied. As we turned away disappointed, she added, “But it wasn’t always Buddhist.” 

    Our hopes were aroused until she continued, “It used to be Daoist,” she told us. Crestfallen, we again prepared to leave. With impeccable timing, she again prevented us from departing.

    It doesn’t really belong to either of them, though,” the old woman confided. “It was built by five monks who came from the West and believed in one God.”

    To explore further, we climbed the steep hill into which the site had been cut. We scrambled to the top—and were welcomed by another aged lady, a Buddhist nun who informed us that she was 115 years old.

    We searched for proof that the pagoda had once been Christian. No evidence offered itself. Only when I climbed still higher did I discover that we had found what we had sought. Daoist, Confucian, and Buddhist temples, almost without exception, run north-south. This terrace, cut to hold the temple, ran east-west: the cosmic alignment for Christian churches.

    Why So Much Noise?

    “Why so much noise?” the Buddhist nun asked as I ran down the hill shouting the news. I explained my conviction that we stood on an ancient Christian site, then worried that I had offended her when she drew herself up to her full height of five feet. “Well, of course it is!” she informed us.” This was the greatest Christian monastery in China. We all know that!”

    We were told that local people remembered the five monks who had come from the West and the building that they had made. Memory lost to the wider world for over a millennium had persisted here.

    We were saying our farewells when the old nun turned to me. “You want to pray, don’t you?” she asked. “Go ahead, then. They will all hear you.”

    I prayed on ground sanctified by Christian and Buddhist supplications. We know only a little about how they prayed, these spiritual ancestors of China. One Tang Dynasty painting shows Christians with hands raised in simple devotion. Another shows a saint—or perhaps Jesus himself—in the Buddhist mudra (pose) associated with teaching. I know how I prayed that day. I prayed weeping.

    The Chinese Madonna

    Discoveries followed, once excavation had begun. Within the center of the mountain was a cave, and in the cave was the lower portion of a statue. The design of the mountain and the cave were classical Chinese. The figure was not.

    The Orthodox Church bases its representations of Christ’s birth on the Book of James, which recounts that Mary gave birth alone, in a mountain cave. The figure in the cave echoed thousands of Orthodox depictions of the Nativity. A woman, semi-reclining, gazes at the child she holds. She is Mary. Outlined in the dirt was the shape of a child. The earliest known Christian statue in China was composed of Orthodox iconography surrounded by Chinese art. The second statue seems to represent a favorite prophet of the Church of the East, Jonah.

    Architecturally and historically, these were important discoveries. Even more important, perhaps, is the spiritual discovery of The Jesus Sutras.

    The Jesus Sutras

    On its publication, my book translating these Sutras aroused great interest. The Christianity revealed in the texts emerges in a form unknown to most of us. In showing what the past has been, these writings suggested what the future could be. An ancient faith revealed a way of believing  ideal for those who live today.

    My colleagues and I found classics brought to China by the first official Church mission in 635 CE, texts not extant only in Chinese. We found Persian books retelling the life of Jesus; documents from the Subcontinent exploring the fusion of Greek and Indian Buddhist traditions; evidence of religious dialogue among Christians and Hindus and Jains; even a fragment of a text from the ancient Church of Tibet. The insight into Greek, Persian, Zoroastrian, Buddhist and shamanic cultures was remarkable. So was the ability of the Church to fuse Christian teachings and images with wisdom and symbolism from other traditions...


    http://www.sevenpillarshouse.org/article/the_jesus_sutras_an_ancient_message_for_a_post_modernist_future/

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
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