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  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #90 - February 15, 2014, 05:27 PM
    Quote from: movingfeet on February 15, 2014, 04:50 PM
    This is a study linking long-term video game use to violence http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22040315

    Aggression is not necessarily violence. I feel more 'fired up' when I've spent an hour in the gym. If you tested me before and after, you would certainly find all kinds of stress hormones in my body and all kinds of changes in my responses to stimuli. This does not mean I am more likely to commit assault or murder. It just means I've been in the gym and had a workout.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #91 - February 15, 2014, 05:30 PM
    Fair enough.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #92 - February 15, 2014, 05:33 PM
    Though, I would add, that it depends on the person whether aggression leads to violence or not. I think that with younger people, who still have not developed a complex moral compus, it has a greater possibility of developing that way. But even then it depends on the child or teenager's overall mental state.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #93 - February 15, 2014, 05:39 PM
    Exactly. It's not as though violent tendencies emerged into the world when violent video games were invented.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #94 - February 15, 2014, 05:41 PM
     Exactly. Same with the feminist issue. Video games tend to reflect real life and the society that produces it. Nothing more and nothing less.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #95 - February 15, 2014, 05:51 PM
    True. Violence in the real world does obviously precede the invention of video games. End of argument.

    Though I must admit that video games do allow some of us to live out our fantasies either by tapping into our need for a thrill; an adrenaline boost or arouse our curiosity. I mean, what would it feel like to smash a ferrari into a wall? - oh, that's what it could look like. Now I see. But I'd never do that in real life. Computer games allow us to access our light-hearted or darker nature in a safe virtual environment. That is not to ignore online bullying and abuse, nor is that to say that gaming absolutely does not contribute to aggressive behaviour or reinforce certain behaviours, but it most certainly is not the primary or dominant cause.

    The fact is that there is no scientific consensus on this issue and it appears as though the majority of health professionals, though opining the level of violence in video games, do not think it precipitates violent behaviour. In fact, it could do the opposite by providing an outlet for our aggression - in the same way sports; listening to music or having reallly, really rough sex does. Either way, better to channel the anger via a controller than in real life via a baseball bat and a meat clever.

    FYI: I love playing wrestling games and doing a Rock Bottom on Stone Cold Steve Austin through the announcers table.  dance
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #96 - February 15, 2014, 09:16 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on February 15, 2014, 10:03 AM
    Quod I know you agree. Just reinforcing the point. I think some people underestimate the damage some women can do and the expectations some women have regarding men:

    To be emotionally strong.
    To be physically strong.
    Tall, dark and handsome.
    To provide a house.
    To provide resources.
    A steady income.
    Not be wussy or a sissy.
    To 'man up'
    FACT: men are less reluctant to go to admit depression because of stigma.

    In general women have it worse but in specific cases men can/have had it worse. The government has done fuck all to address domestic abuse and emotional manipulation aimed at men. To say the reason they haven't is because there's no issue is like saying rape is not an issue in Saudi because not that many cases are reported. We must break these social/structural boundaries and have an inclusive discussion of male/female violence and abuse rather than have it as one side the pitiful victim and the other the predator.


    This is slowly being addressed by our victims' advocates in the US. My local group is quite good at it, but I have spoken with some that have no accommodation at all for men.
    It is doubly hard to provide safe houses for men, as the women and children in residence there are often terrified of them, and it upsets them to be around men. Then these places, with their limited funding, have to resort to providing separate housing. Not easy.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #97 - February 15, 2014, 11:53 PM
    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/08/laurie-penny/men-sexism

    "You, individual man, with your individual dreams and desires, did not ask to be born into a world where being a boy gave you social and sexual advantages over girls. You don’t want to live in a world where little girls get raped and then are told they provoked it in a court of law; where women’s work is poorly paid or unpaid; where we are called sluts and whores for demanding simple sexual equality. You did not choose any of this. What you do get to choose, right now, is what happens next."
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #98 - February 16, 2014, 05:55 PM
    Feminism has become some sort of weird laughing stock here in the West.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #99 - February 16, 2014, 06:44 PM
    Quote
    Feminism has become some sort of weird laughing stock here in the West.


    Let me correct that for you Ezrajt...

    Some feminists have made feminism some sort of weird laughing stock here in the West.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #100 - February 16, 2014, 07:12 PM
    ... according to mostly men.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #101 - February 16, 2014, 07:24 PM
    You'd be surprised how many women echo it, at least that I've come across. Depressing really.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #102 - February 16, 2014, 07:33 PM
    But they echo it for a reason.

    That reason being that feminism has been painted in a negative light that portrays feminists as being man hating, hairy lesbians.

    Even Jedi felt it was necessary to say they shouldn't whack out a dildo and beat him around the head with it, as he criticised the video.  because that's the representation of a feminist.  Hairy, man hating, dildo using lesbian who is bitter because she can't get a man.

    Many of what should have been the next wave of feminists, didn't want to be seen that way.  Especially with society telling them that there was nothing left to fight over, and that feminism had won.

    Meh, won some things no doubt, but others are still to be dealt with.

    It's just that you need to be prepared for serious backlash when you take on the label of feminism. 

    Personally I thought the gender reversal video was great. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #103 - February 16, 2014, 07:34 PM
    Well, actually to be fair, feminist kind of had no choice, since feminism has no purpose in modern day society, so it's simply a political organism trying to survive, as all political and ideological movements do in the face of irrelevancy.  

    Ironically, I gleaned this originally from a feminist friend of mine in Berlin.

    Quote
    Hairy, man hating, dildo using lesbian who is bitter because she can't get a man.


    My image of feminists is largely upper middle class poli.sci and liberal arts students trying to act high and mighty, both male and female.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #104 - February 16, 2014, 07:46 PM
    Quote from: EzraJT on February 16, 2014, 07:34 PM
    Well, actually to be fair, feminist kind of had no choice, since feminism has no purpose in modern day society, so it's simply a political organism trying to survive, as all political and ideological movements do in the face of irrelevancy.  



    You make my point though.  This idea that feminism has no place anymore even though it blatantly does.  You swallow it, as do many other people.




    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #105 - February 16, 2014, 07:51 PM
    On the plus side people who would say they aren't feminised will a second later champion equal rights.

    Berbs I've missed you! far away hug
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #106 - February 16, 2014, 07:56 PM
    I almost envy the privileged, comfortable, blissfully ignorant perspective that fosters such sentiments as 'feminism is irrelevant'.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #107 - February 16, 2014, 08:10 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 16, 2014, 07:12 PM
    ... according to mostly men.


    Prove it.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #108 - February 16, 2014, 08:10 PM
    Quote from: EzraJT on February 16, 2014, 07:34 PM
    My image of feminists is largely upper middle class poli.sci and liberal arts students trying to act high and mighty, both male and female.

    I find that very sad.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Re: Feminist Frequency
     Reply #109 - February 16, 2014, 08:20 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on February 16, 2014, 08:10 PM
    Prove it.

    What would convince you?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #110 - February 16, 2014, 08:35 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 16, 2014, 07:33 PM

    Even Jedi felt it was necessary to say they shouldn't whack out a dildo and beat him around the head with it, as he criticised the video.  because that's the representation of a feminist.  Hairy, man hating, dildo using lesbian who is bitter because she can't get a man.



    But i didn't refer to 'Hairy, man hating, dildo using lesbian who is bitter because she can't get a man.'

    When teaching sociology a lot of the women from affluent families whose parents are both working and have positive female role models do not identify with 'radical feminism'. They talk about the practicalities of modern life and from their experiences around them they see the opposite of feamle victimisation. Rather than view women as victims they are self-empowered and vocal about it.

    There are different waves of feminism ranging from black feminism; left wing feminism and postmodern feminism.



    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #111 - February 16, 2014, 08:36 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 16, 2014, 08:20 PM
    What would convince you?


    You said mostly men...that requires evidence that is not more than anecdotal evidence?

    Studies? Empirical evidence from the social sciences?

    Anything more than a throw away omment.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Re: Feminist Frequency
     Reply #112 - February 16, 2014, 08:49 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on February 16, 2014, 08:36 PM
    You said mostly men...that requires evidence that is not more than anecdotal evidence?

    Studies? Empirical evidence from the social sciences?

    Anything more than a throw away comment.

    A throwaway comment of "according to mostly men" seems like an appropriate and proportionate response to two dudes' throwaway comment of "feminism is a laughing stock".
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #113 - February 16, 2014, 08:51 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on February 16, 2014, 08:35 PM
    But i didn't refer to 'Hairy, man hating, dildo using lesbian who is bitter because she can't get a man.'


    You didn't need to.  The throwaway comment comes loaded.

    Quote

    When teaching sociology a lot of the women from affluent families whose parents are both working and have positive female role models do not identify with 'radical feminism'. They talk about the practicalities of modern life and from their experiences around them they see the opposite of feamle victimisation. Rather than view women as victims they are self-empowered and vocal about it.


    I'm not quite sure I grasp your point here. 

    Women from affluent families get to grow up feeling empowered because they have 2 working parents and great female role models?

    No doubt you are aware that the majority of the world's population do not come from affluent families and lack the privileges you are making a point with.

    Quote

    There are different waves of feminism ranging from black feminism; left wing feminism and postmodern feminism.






    I get that.

    What I am trying to say is that feminism has been tarnished by the view of the radical feminist. 

    Move away from the toffs, and those with the world of privilege you speak of, who have had access to education above a certain level, or indeed access to quality education and ask them what their view of a feminist is.  I doubt it will match the experience you speak of.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #114 - February 16, 2014, 08:53 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 16, 2014, 07:51 PM
    On the plus side people who would say they aren't feminised will a second later champion equal rights.

    Berbs I've missed you! far away hug


    Thanks man.  hugs

    Quote from: Ishina on February 16, 2014, 07:56 PM
    I almost envy the privileged, comfortable, blissfully ignorant perspective that fosters such sentiments as 'feminism is irrelevant'.


    I know right. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #115 - February 16, 2014, 08:53 PM
    http://lucien0maverick.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/modern-feminism-is-a-joke/

    Many posts out there like that by men and then there is this movement:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_rights_movement
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #116 - February 16, 2014, 08:56 PM
    Nice to see there is always one poisonous worm that wants to infest any good thread out there with their bullshit. Feminism no longer relevant my ass.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #117 - February 16, 2014, 09:02 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 16, 2014, 08:49 PM
    A throwaway comment of "according to mostly men" seems like an appropriate and proportionate response to two dudes' throwaway comment of "feminism is a laughing stock".


    Who said 'feminism is a laughing stock'? I never said that. Whereas you specifically said 'mostly men'.

    Don't expect me to reply back to you.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #118 - February 16, 2014, 09:07 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 16, 2014, 08:51 PM
    You didn't need to.  The throwaway comment comes loaded.

    I'm not quite sure I grasp your point here. 

    Women from affluent families get to grow up feeling empowered because they have 2 working parents and great female role models?

    No doubt you are aware that the majority of the world's population do not come from affluent families and lack the privileges you are making a point with.


    What throw away comment are you talking about?

    In what way did I state anything about women from other countries? I spoke specifically about the women I taught and gave reasons why they thought like that.


    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Re: Feminist Frequency
     Reply #119 - February 16, 2014, 09:23 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on February 16, 2014, 09:02 PM
    Who said 'feminism is a laughing stock'? I never said that. Whereas you specifically said 'mostly men'.

    Don't expect me to reply back to you.

    My mistake. For the sake of brevity, I assumed 'feminists have made feminism a laughing stock' could be shortened to 'feminism is a laughing stock' without anything essential being lost in translation. But it's now clear to me that some of the nuanced wisdom and sophisticated insight was lost when I did that.
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