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OP - June 26, 2012, 10:26 AM

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"Citing stark examples from school curriculum, a prominent Islamabad-based scholar has said that extreme religious and anti-India views fed into children in schools reinforced the cycle of extremism that showed no signs of receding in Pakistan.

Pervez Hoodbhoy, nuclear physicist and prominent commentator on current issues, showed the examples at a seminar in the King’s College on the role of education in combating terrorism, organised by the Democracy Forum.

The examples showed by Hoodbhoy included images and text from a primer that mentioned the Urdu equivalent of A as ‘Allah’, B as ‘bandook’ (gun), Te as ‘takrao’ (conflict), J as ‘jihad’, H as ‘hijab’, Kh as ‘khanjar’ (knife) and Ze as ‘zunoob’ (sin).

Hoodbhoy, whose presentation title was ‘How education fuels terrorism in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’, also showed a college that is seen as going up in flames, containing images of things considered sinful: kites, guitar, satellite TV, carrom board, chess, wine bottles and harmonium. Examples cited by Hoodbhoy from another curriculum document for Class V students included tasks such as discussion on - ‘Understand Hindu', 'Muslim differences and the resultant need for Pak’, ‘India’s evil designs against Pakistan’, ‘Make speeches on shehadat and jihad’. “The poison put into education by Gen Zia-ul-Haq was not changed by subsequent regimes,” Hoodbhoy said."
- Hindustan Times, New Delhi, June 25, 2012
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I had not heard this about chess. Why is it sinful?

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Reply #1 - June 26, 2012, 11:09 AM

I do remember my bro quarrelling with my pop about it, mainly because the cross symbol on the king piece, not a problem after bro removed those though, I'm not so sure if this is true or not, I'm no mufty or kadhi ...
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Reply #2 - June 26, 2012, 11:56 AM

Quote from: moi on June 26, 2012, 10:26 AM
From another site.

I had not heard this about chess. Why is it sinful?

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Hoodbhoy, whose presentation title was ‘How education fuels terrorism in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’, also showed a college that is seen as going up in flames, containing images of things considered sinful: kites, guitar, satellite TV, carrom board, chess, wine bottles and harmonium. Examples cited by Hoodbhoy from another curriculum document for Class V students included tasks such as discussion on - ‘Understand Hindu', 'Muslim differences and the resultant need for Pak’, ‘India’s evil designs against Pakistan’, ‘Make speeches on shehadat and jihad’. “The poison put into education by Gen Zia-ul-Haq was not changed by subsequent regimes,” Hoodbhoy said."
- Hindustan Times, New Delhi, June 25, 2012

Hmm ... Hoodbhoy, and those Indian pagans...., what else you expect?? they are only there to create problems for momins of Land of pure..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwn-4AqTzeo

YES.. CHESS IS HARAM., That girl Chick pea who is organizing the chess game at cemb should be put under burkha .. She is doing harrami things that too playing chess with guys

Read shahi muslim(book 28.,hadith no 5612)
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Allah's Messenger (saws) said: 'He who played chess is like one who dyed his hand with the flesh and blood of swine.'

The narration is indeed considered authentic. Islam guides that the absolutely most expensive commodity one has been blessed with and will be held accountable for is the 'time' one has been allocated with in the short and transient life of this world as a test and trial from their Lord. and thta hadith is from Buraydah ibn al-Hasib, he was one of the Sahaba ...... Mr. PBUH's companions

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Reply #3 - June 26, 2012, 12:18 PM

I dub thee mufty of cemb yeezevee, fatwa churner
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Reply #4 - June 26, 2012, 12:32 PM

Quote from: paranoid on June 26, 2012, 12:18 PM
thee mufty of cemb yeezevee, ..

Subanallah

Hmm... what is That thing ?? I hope it is not allahdoll

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Reply #5 - June 26, 2012, 01:18 PM

Boxing too is haram. Hence why all my muslim forum profiles feature my hobbies as ‘Boxing & Chess’.
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Reply #6 - June 26, 2012, 01:32 PM

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Hmm... what is That thing ?? I hope it is not allahdoll

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nope it's just a character from one of my favourite game, red alert 3, nothing more nothing less,

"They are terminally ill patients, spirited away, implanted with extensive cybernetic enhancements and placed into monstrous suits of bionically-powered armour, with no recollection of their previous lives thanks to the memory wipe"

I'm a munafiq yeez, bound by a law, free will or not, it's my reality.

now I do wonder if mere chess game were deemed harram, what would happen to various kind of game out there, are there any fatwa on it, I'm lazy, hateful when it come to Islamic law.

@kodanshi,

Boxing, that's new to me, when there's moslm looked in high regard of Mohammed Ali as a boxing champ, don't know if they knew of it, the harram thing, my pop was his fan, once.
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Reply #7 - June 26, 2012, 01:34 PM

Imagine Chessboxing then! It’s like dipping your hands in swineblood, and then punching someone in the face with them!
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Reply #8 - June 26, 2012, 03:25 PM

@moi,

I heard that it's either haram or makruh based on the fact that it's a waste of time and a diversion or something.

Lots of things can be considered makruh (or even haram) if they waste time (applying the same principle to other activities)...people say that for cards too I think, plus in cards sometimes people gamble, so yeah.

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Reply #9 - June 26, 2012, 07:10 PM

Quote from: chepea on June 26, 2012, 03:25 PM
@moi,

I heard that it's either haram .............

Yap..... it is haram

and you are doing double haram playing chess with guys Chick pea...., So STOP IT..

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Reply #10 - June 26, 2012, 07:14 PM

Quote from: paranoid on June 26, 2012, 01:32 PM

@ yeezevee

nope it's just a character from one of my favourite game, red alert 3, nothing more nothing less, .................
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What is the difference paranoid?? allah or that character, they all look similar to me.

...That is your favorite character and allah is someone else favorite character..

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Reply #11 - June 26, 2012, 07:18 PM

No wonder they call the kafirun --haramis !

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Reply #12 - June 26, 2012, 08:56 PM

Is it not haram because people can bet money on their chess games ?
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Reply #13 - June 27, 2012, 09:54 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on June 26, 2012, 07:14 PM
What is the difference paranoid?? allah or that character, they all look similar to me.

...That is your favorite character and allah is someone else favorite character..

the difference is, it's just a character from game, fictional, its just an av, I don't incorporated its values in real life,

I rather believed in noodly appendages than bigall, donno why but noodly appendages appeals to me, bigall hurts too much, I'm small

@moi

nope, no can find it in my country national fat wa council, so if I play one and god forbid it, then, the sin goes to them, my bro said so
bwahahaha
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Reply #14 - June 27, 2012, 11:23 PM

Like the puritans in England at the time of Cromwell it seems that some people who put god seeking before all else dislike harmless pastimes that are fun.

As long as they don't try to impose their views on everyone else, then I suppose that it is their prerogative to seek their god before everything else.

The problems arise when they do try to impose their prerogatives on everyone else, and when they try to brainwash their children into seeing things the same way.

It's not, I think, exclusively a Muslim problem, though at this point in history that sort of Talibanista attitude does seem particularly prevalent in Islam.

Catholic doctrine sees foreplay even within marriage as deranged.

Part of the same sort of mindset I think, a mindset that says doing the will of someone's imaginary god is all that matters, and any distraction from that is evil.

It is a life despising POV, in the interests of variations of a putative god.

But there is no good evidence suggesting that any god exists, leave alone that any particular concept of a putative god is the right one.

As the term 'god' seems to me to be generally understood, that is to say a judgemental god interested in the thoughts and actions of individual people.

Some people have a god concept as something like 'god is the ground of being', which is less judgemental and involves less literal interpretation of ancient scriptures.

That sort of god conception, to me, is not so much wrong as irrelevant and confusing.

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Reply #15 - June 28, 2012, 12:37 PM

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images of things considered sinful: kites, guitar, satellite TV, carrom board, chess, wine bottles and harmonium.

just realised what else is haram!

If I walk outside a mosque playing bob dylan on a harmonica and flying a kite, am I committing a criminal offence of being disrespectful of religion?

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Reply #16 - June 28, 2012, 12:43 PM

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On 31 January 1967, while The Beatles were in Sevenoaks, Kent, making a promotional film for Strawberry Fields Forever, John Lennon wandered in to an antique shop close to their hotel. There he bought a framed Victorian circus poster from 1843.

The poster announced Pablo Fanque's Circus Royal, coming to Town Meadows in Rochdale. It grandly announced that the circus would be for the benefit of Mr Kite, and would feature "Mr J Henderson the celebrated somerset thrower" and Zanthus the horse.

Mr Kite was William Kite, a performer and the son of circus owner James Kite. In 1810 he had founded Kite's Pavilion Circus and later moved to Wells' Circus. It is thought that he worked in Pablo Fanques' fair between 1843 and 1845. Fanque, pictured below, was Britain's first black circus owner. He was born William Darby in Norwich in 1796.

Lennon hung the poster in his music room at his home in Weybridge, and began to use it as inspiration for a song. Some of the facts he changed - the circus was coming to Bishopsgate rather than Rochdale; the horse became Henry; the circus became a fair; Mr Kite was 'late of Wells's Circus' rather that of Pablo Fanque (pictured below); and Mr Henderson, rather than Mr Kite, promised to challenge the world.

Minor changes aside, the words of the poster found their way almost unchanged into Lennon's Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite!, which closed the first half of the Sgt Pepper album. Lennon sat at his piano and sang phrases from the poster until he had the song, possibly with help from McCartney.

http://www.beatlesbible.com/songs/being-for-the-benefit-of-mr-kite/

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

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Reply #17 - June 28, 2012, 08:15 PM

Quote from: moi on June 28, 2012, 12:37 PM
just realised what else is haram!

If I walk outside a mosque playing bob dylan on a harmonica and flying a kite, am I committing a criminal offence of being disrespectful of religion?

Yes, but that is because Bob Dylan is Jewish (and fucking awesome too).
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