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  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #150 - June 30, 2012, 07:57 PM

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    Hmm., You forgot to mention that you are  a Moderate Muslim., and in your view She deserves death penalty AFTER A FAIR TRAIL


    That's called being moderately extreme. rofl



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #151 - June 30, 2012, 07:58 PM

    Ok i'm leaving the forum. Just as i suspected when i first joined, this is no different to any other anti islam website. Many of you are bigots sadly. You have turned into something similar to extremist muslims whom you originally sought to separate from. See you in hell.


    If all these ex-muslims will end up in hell anyway, why do you think they should be trialed on Earth?

    Isn't it funny how cats can understand people without ever reading a single psychology book?
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #152 - June 30, 2012, 08:00 PM

    That's called being moderately extreme. rofl


    I personally don't have problem with people expressing the most disgusting and extreme views. But i can't stand it when they call themselves ''moderate''.

    Isn't it funny how cats can understand people without ever reading a single psychology book?
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #153 - June 30, 2012, 08:05 PM

    No one will ever call themselves "extreme" because an extremest would not hold their views to be so. Tongue

    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #154 - June 30, 2012, 10:42 PM

    Obviously superstrike did not have the guts to actually examine his bigoted beliefs. Repeating the same old tired formulaic scripts does not an argument make. Ah well, too bad for him and those around him. Not surprised that most Muslims run away as soon as they're confronted with the injustices of Islam.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #155 - July 01, 2012, 12:15 AM

    Islam is a cult fullstop. Thats how I see it, in fact under the guidance of this cult I was physically abused by a old man brandishing a sharp object that cut my penis and removed my foreskin as a baby! This experience has scared me for life...

    I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

    John Galt.
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #156 - July 01, 2012, 01:44 AM

    Islam is a cult fullstop. Thats how I see it, in fact under the guidance of this cult

    but what is not cult? every unquestionable blind belief is a cult. Off course Muslim baboons made Islam as worst of all for the simple reason ,  Rogue rulers in collision with  babbling baboons  in mosques never allowed smart people that are born in Islam to questions stupidity in Islam .  so it went down the toilet  tube

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    I was physically abused by a old man brandishing a sharp object that cut my penis and removed my foreskin as a baby! This experience has scared me for life...

    Sue the rascal Hmm but You are lucky he didn't suck the blood out of you like some Jewish foolish rabbi  do..   lol..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxix8UteOTo

    STUPID PEOPLE.. Mock them and move on....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #157 - July 01, 2012, 01:50 AM

    old man brandishing a sharp object that cut my penis ... This experience has scared me for life...

    Are you scared of knives or penises?
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #158 - July 01, 2012, 02:04 AM

    Are you scared of knives or penises?

    well..  no one get scared either of them if they  are used properly at appropriate places at appropriate time.,  but using knife to cut organs of live people is scary..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #159 - July 01, 2012, 03:00 AM

    my question remain unanswered, you leave already ?, where you came from, background on islam, is it that easy to exact, to state the so called fair trial on people who criticized islam, and just conclude that every people against you deserved hell,

    "see you in hell"

    I don't believe in one, this statement make me believe that you're there to see someone is there, so you believed you will be in hell ...
    I'm really sorry to hear that ...
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #160 - July 01, 2012, 03:09 AM

    Superstrike: "What lies have you been told?"

    Where do I begin? Every apologist claim I have investigated so far has been lies after lies. The miracle of pharaoh, sea barrier miracle, Haman miracle, embryology miracle, spherical earth miracle, big bang miracle, lowest land miracle, the atom miracle, mecca is center of the earth claim, muhammad in the bible claim, ...When I was in doubt of Islam's theology, I decided to painstakingly investigate these claims individually and independently. In many ways it helped me to think critically and instilled in me good researching skills. That is how I found how every single one of these claims are just down right pathetic. Most are just misrepresentations that live on due to the gullibility and ignorance of Muslims who seldom check these claims.

    I mean, take for example, the claim about the miracle of the pharaoh. Every, and I mean literally EVERYTHING about this claim is a lie. I have a detailed video on my youtube channel debunking it. These are many examples of such lies

    Then we have utterly dishonest scumbags like Harun Yahya and Zakir Naik who make their living, lying. For example, when I was young I was shown by my parents one of Yahya's videos in which he claimed many things about evolution that was just ignorant and idiotic. Of course I did not realize any of this back then because I had not been taught anything about evolution and it was only after later studying that I realized what an amazing intellectual dropout Yahya.

    One claim particularly that I remember is Yahya claiming that Charles Darwin stated that "one day a bear took a swim and it turned into a whale." Now many years later I read upon what Darwin actually said and of course he never said such a thing. What he said was he saw many bears who were swimming in the rivers and he hypothesized that if animals like bears were to adapt to the water environment for millions of years they can evolve into animals like the whales. And of course, as anyone who has taken a college biology course would know, the fossil record shows the gradual evolution of modern whales from a land mammal, which is why whales, unlike fishes, are mammals and have lungs and cannot breathe underwater.

    And then last year, I went to read his book, titled "evolution deciet", i read one of the chapters on thermodynamics, He lists many claims about chemistry that as a science student did not make an ounce of sense. Thus I checked all the 5 references he had given in that chapter and every single one of them was a quote-mine. Especially ironic was that one of the references were to the blog of a physicist named, Cosma Shalizi. Now Shalizi seems to have been informed that her blog was listed by Yahya and she said the following about him, "I've just discovered a Turkish creationist (and anti-Masonic conspiracy theorist) has linked to this page, and mined my quotations here, to try to make it sound like self-organization is a "myth", and evolution is thermodynamically impossible. For the record, this is repugnant and I have nothing to do with it. His arguments about evolution and thermodynamics are century-old fallacies. And to go from the failure of Prigogine's theories to explain self-organization, to claiming that self-organization doesn't happen, is just (forgive me) bullshit. Self-organization can be demonstrated in the lab and in nature to anyone with eyes to see."

    So this is the level of patheticalness that I saw among these so-called Muslim scholars. Harun Yahya gives a reference to a website that calls his arguments bullshit. YET innocent, credulous and gullible Muslims buy them and teach it to their children. Anyone like me who has respect for TRUTH will not stand up for such a display of dishonesty.

    And Zakir Naik, i will let this video explain his incompetent stupidity,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xatECtUaJDk

    And of course there are new kids on the block today, like Hamza Tzortzis. I am writing up a paper refuting his paper on embryology, and having read through his paper several times, I have to say that he has to be the most dishonest insincere scumbag on this planet.

    And what other lies? How about the claim that Muhammad is the perfect example for humanity? Here is a man who had sex with a 9 year old, allowed the rape of captives, raped his captives, murdered communities collectively, ordered the assassinations of people who merely criticized or mocked him (all of whom ended up dead), ordered and executed the killing of those people who left his cult (And this law of apostacy still continues to today), raided and looted and conquered most of arabia, hated the jews and christians and stated they should be expelled from arabia, stated women are mentally deficient and they are the majority in hell, endorsed wife beating and subjugation of women, stated women are like soil and domestic animals, condemned 99.9% of humanity to hell and composed a holy book with a lot of hateful and divisive messages...

    To call that man the perfect example for humanity is deeply OFFENSIVE to every decent human being on this planet including yourself. Yes sir, you would be offended by this claim as well if you were to drop your religious goggles and analyze this man's history objectively.

    What other lies? that is all I can think of right now. Now my guess is that you would respond with the positive or the seemingly positive aspects of Islam and Muslims and Muhammad. Before you do so, I want you to know that I would agree. Of course, Islam has its positive notes. Every belief system does so...As a Muslim I certainly enjoyed the sense of community and family values that many Muslims uphold, I have always respected how they help each other out like they are brothers to each others, I also respect how most of them try to live their life as good moral citizens, yes these are all great.... I only wish they believed in themselves enough to recognize that they did not need Islam for any of those

    Sorry if this post was offensive. I am only speaking my mind.
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #161 - July 01, 2012, 05:48 AM

    captndisguise , great post sir! clap :clap


     ....To call that man the perfect example for humanity is deeply OFFENSIVE to every decent human being on this planet including yourself. Yes sir, you would be offended by this claim as well if you were to drop your religious goggles and analyze this man's history objectively.

    ....... Every belief system does so...As a Muslim I certainly enjoyed the sense of community and family values that many Muslims uphold, I have always respected how they help each other out like they are brothers to each others, I also respect how most of them try to live their life as good moral citizens, yes these are all great.... I only wish they believed in themselves enough to recognize that they did not need Islam for any of those

    Sorry if this post was offensive. I am only speaking my mind.


    Unfortunately many people can't seem to digest the bolded part or are conveniently blind to it.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #162 - July 01, 2012, 11:24 AM

    I don't know if he is still here, but the fact he came here in the first place means he has looked at the dark side...


    If he did watch that Hirsi video whatever his immediate reaction I hope it will be drip drip dripping into his thinking.

    I loved Ayaan Hirsi Ali calling Islam a politics with religious trimming.  The phrase political islam somehow misses the point - deliberately?

    I would put Islam in a group with Tyranny and Fascism.  Why do we give religions get out of jail free cards when they obviously are completely involved in political matters - like crime and punishment, inheritance, equality...

    I mean, having a formal codified legal system - sharia - that is a politics!  Why do we allow such obvious doublespeak?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #163 - July 01, 2012, 11:30 AM

    Hirsi Ali is a bigot.


    I as an Ex-Muslim agree with you on that. She's a lunatic nutjob. There are not many Ex-Muslim I know who agree with her views, her understanding of Islam at best is limited, and she plays to the neo-con crowed.
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #164 - July 01, 2012, 11:32 AM

    Ok i'm leaving the forum. Just as i suspected when i first joined, this is no different to any other anti islam website. Many of you are bigots sadly. You have turned into something similar to extremist muslims whom you originally sought to separate from. See you in hell.


    Let this guy stick around for a little while I think he is a semi-legit, actually I doubt it you'll be banned unless of course you break the rules, which is the same for everyone, you'll not be banned for expressing your opinion and views that is for sure.
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #165 - July 01, 2012, 11:33 AM

    Islam is so obviously a political movement that it actually has the other major trapping of a political movement like a state or an empire - the means to wage war.

    This is an interesting one, more akin to the American war of independence militias - jihad.  The concept of holy war is a wonderful bit of propaganda to justify killing someone in the traditions of Kamikazi and guerrilla warfare.  Waving a koran gives a fascinating flavour!

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #166 - July 01, 2012, 11:38 AM

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    Hirsi Ali is a bigot.


    I as an Ex-Muslim agree with you on that. She's a lunatic nutjob


    Sorry she understands Islam very well.  Kindly listen to her speech again.  It is brilliantly nuanced and shows she understands her subject very well.  King Tut, you are displaying an ignorance of governance.

    What is bigoted about noting Islam is a political system?

    Kindly state where and how and why she is bigoted and a lunatic nutjob so this may be discussed instead of having expletives thrown around.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #167 - July 01, 2012, 11:40 AM

    For fuck sakes, I am disappoint in some of the fucking responses given to this guy, and including admins and moderators (unless you IP checked him fro trolling ignore this post) you can't just talk to a Muslim like that who think he is defending Islam, am sorry to say you have to be abit more sensitive, why am I even saying this? many of you're ex-Muslims and show know this anyway. If you can't be patient, then don't reply to him, don't mess things up for others. Am not here to try and deconvert him but I will address all the points he makes.  There is no reason for us to question his integrity, at the end of the day its not about him devonverting from Islam or us convincing him of our arguments, its about those 1000s of other Muslims who might be genuine and come across this topic. And think about some of the points raised by us. I'm all for the carrot approach.
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #168 - July 01, 2012, 11:46 AM

    Sorry she understands Islam very well.  Kindly listen to her speech again.  It is brilliantly nuanced and shows she understands her subject very well.  King Tut, you are displaying an ignorance of governance.

    What is bigoted about noting Islam is a political system?

    Kindly state where and how and why she is bigoted and a lunatic nutjob so this may be discussed instead of having expletives thrown around.


    I disagree with you, I've said this many times before I had even written a lengthy rebuttal to her book on Amazon too. I thought she was an interesting figure, until I read some of her books, she had very limited understanding of Islam at best, in some cases there were historical inaccuracies in her book. She plays to the right-wing neocons, she is a nutty, pretty much like Sam Harris, I used to love Sam Harris but somehow this clown became more and more nuttier with his works. That's my opinion if you don't like it fair enough am not going to sit here and debate it. I've posted stuff about this before on the forum you can search my posts, I don't have the energy.
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #169 - July 01, 2012, 11:54 AM

    superstrike, why do you believe that the Qu'ran is true? The reason I am asking you is because you seem pretty convinced that Islam is true so I wanted to understand what level of evidence to you require to reach the threshold of belief? Scrap that just tell me why you believe in Islam.
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #170 - July 01, 2012, 12:26 PM

    For fuck sakes, I am disappoint in some of the fucking responses given to this guy, and including admins and moderators (unless you IP checked him fro trolling ignore this post) you can't just talk to a Muslim like that who think he is defending Islam, am sorry to say you have to be abit more sensitive, why am I even saying this? many of you're ex-Muslims and show know this anyway. If you can't be patient, then don't reply to him, don't mess things up for others. Am not here to try and deconvert him but I will address all the points he makes.  There is no reason for us to question his integrity, at the end of the day its not about him devonverting from Islam or us convincing him of our arguments, its about those 1000s of other Muslims who might be genuine and come across this topic. And think about some of the points raised by us. I'm all for the carrot approach.


    Can't just talk to a muslim like what?

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #171 - July 01, 2012, 12:40 PM

    Can't just talk to a muslim like what?


    Like how some members spoke to him, and especially posting a mecca picture of a pedobare with Muhammad drawn on it, that is automatically going to make them switch off, and put other Muslims who might be reading the thread off, polarization does not work its simply a stupid tactic. Only genuine ridicule can work and even that is not a great tool to use. 
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #172 - July 01, 2012, 01:32 PM

    Nobody was attacking or ridiculing him KT, they were ridiculing Islam and if that makes a muslim switch off because they don't want to hear it then so be it I'm afraid. 


    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #173 - July 01, 2012, 01:40 PM

    I dont know what you are on about KT, but if you read the first three pages, you can obviously tell that this guy was just here to provoke members here. I think Billy,arx and others have been patient enough to debunk this guy but he refused to have any of it instead he was going circular on and on again saying "YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CRITICISE MUSLIMS blah blah nonsense"

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #174 - July 01, 2012, 02:11 PM

    I dont know what you are on about KT, but if you read the first three pages, you can obviously tell that this guy was just here to provoke members here. I think Billy,arx and others have been patient enough to debunk this guy but he refused to have any of it instead he was going circular on and on again saying "YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CRITICISE MUSLIMS blah blah nonsense"


    Yeah but they always say that but don't really mean it. The point I was trying to make was, I used to be pretty harsh with Muslims and just took the piss out of them or called them idiots, they hardly ever heard me out via doing that, it wasn't until I was talking to a girl from Iran that I tried being more sensitive about it, guess what 2 months later she emails me telling me I was right, she don't consider herself a Muslim anymore, same is true for at least two other folks. But I never tried to deconvert them or anything, I just show them were they were wrong.

    I.e. talk to them like you would to one of your family members to show them Islam is silly. I mean you're not going to go into them lay into them and start attacking Islam are you? posting pedobear images to them, that's just goading, its something which isn't even allowed in the forum rules, even between non Muslims so why allow a member to goad a Muslim like that? everything else was relatively PG I agree.
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #175 - July 01, 2012, 02:16 PM

    Nobody was attacking or ridiculing him KT, they were ridiculing Islam and if that makes a muslim switch off because they don't want to hear it then so be it I'm afraid. 



    I wonder what makes this forum different from FFI then? I just disagree with how it was handled on this occasion, that is not a personal attack on anyone. You have to admit posting a pedobear jumping around mecca is going to offend a Muslim now matter how funny it is, so why do it when you're tying to have a genuine discussion with someone? freedom of speech is a great thing, but sometimes common sense is better.
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #176 - July 01, 2012, 02:25 PM

    1. stoning - this is NOT in the Holy Qu'ran..i totally disagree with this as do many muslim scholars..google it if you don't believe me. 'Let he without sin cast the first stone' Jesus Christ (pbuh)

    2. Cutting off hands - I disagree with this in practice but this is only a deterrent punishment, i.e. it is never carried out, unless it is an extreme circumstance e.g. someone persistently re-offends and causes havoc in the community/ innocent people.


    OK stoning isn't in the Qu'ran. But you accept cutting off hands of robbers is a good only deterrent, and presumably you think this punishment is set out by Allah. Now let me ask you something, what if you were poor and you stole to feed your family, if you didn't your family or you would die, cutting off the hands is never going to prevent someone from stealing in those circumstances, yes psychically you might prevent them, but the mental pathology will still be there. So, in other words its a very silly punishment and it is also disproportionate punishment to the crime committed.

  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #177 - July 01, 2012, 02:31 PM

    I wonder what makes this forum different from FFI then? I just disagree with how it was handled on this occasion, that is not a personal attack on anyone. You have to admit posting a pedobear jumping around mecca is going to offend a Muslim now matter how funny it is, so why do it when you're tying to have a genuine discussion with someone? freedom of speech is a great thing, but sometimes common sense is better.


    Do you think muslims should be pandered to?

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #178 - July 01, 2012, 02:36 PM

    Ok i'm leaving the forum. Just as i suspected when i first joined, this is no different to any other anti islam website. Many of you are bigots sadly. You have turned into something similar to extremist muslims whom you originally sought to separate from. See you in hell.


    Is there a way I can chat to you off the forum if you find the forum anti-Islam/Muslim. I am willing to have a discussion with you, the only reason I am saying this is because, I think you're pretty young late teens I would say, and I totally understand your frustration about such websites. 
  • Re: Hi..what's your problem?
     Reply #179 - July 01, 2012, 02:45 PM

    Do you think muslims should be pandered to?


    If that's going to make them listen and actually take on board whats been said, then personally (in a discussion) I don't mind, though that is not to say I might not just get pissed off and tell them to fuck off or insult them, am not saying such things are beyond me. Muslims are raised in a very sensitive society, because they confuse genuine criticism for an attack on them, many really don't have critical thinking skills, so sometimes you have to talk to them on a level which they'll understand. But I can understand where you guys are coming from too, I get frustrated too sometimes, but I think in this case some of the guys jumped on his back too quickly, I could be wrong I hope he does not turn out to be a troll because that will just really piss me off.
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