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  • Life from clay and Islam
     OP - August 19, 2012, 10:36 PM

    A muslim posted this link

    http://phys.org/news/2011-02-clay-armored-protocells.html

    and argued that quran mentioned this when it says that we created men out of clay and something like that......any opinions ?

    Disbelief doesn't justify getting tortured in eternal hell
  • Re: Life from clay and Islam
     Reply #1 - August 19, 2012, 11:17 PM

    Yeah I have an opinion it has nothing to do with life, the Quran says We created man from Clay not the First cell.

    It also says Fatty acids form inside clay, doesn't say man was created from Clay or whatever.

    The Quran says this:

    We created man from sounding clay,
    from mud moulded into shape.
    -- Sura 15:26


    This means that God shaped man in his current form like a sculptor shapes his sculpture.

    When u read the Quran u have to read it in context, the verse talking about creation out of clay says nothing about creating life out of clay, it is simply talking how god created man out of clay and fashioned him the way he is and breathed life into him.

    Check 2 verses above that one and a couple below for better understanding, here they are:


    15:23   And verily, it is We Who give life, and Who give death: it is We Who remain inheritors (after all else passes away).
        Wa-inna lanahnu nuhyeewanumeetu wanahnu alwarithoona
        
    15:24   To Us are known those of you who hasten forward, and those who lag behind.
        Walaqad AAalimna almustaqdimeenaminkum walaqad AAalimna almusta/khireena
        
    15:25   Assuredly it is thy Lord Who will gather them together: for He is perfect in Wisdom and Knowledge.
        Wa-inna rabbaka huwa yahshuruhuminnahu hakeemun AAaleemun
        
    15:26   We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
        Walaqad khalaqna al-insana minsalsalin min hama-in masnoonin
        
    15:27   And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.
        Waaljanna khalaqnahumin qablu min nari alssamoomi
        
    15:28   Behold! thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man, from sounding clay from mud moulded into shape;
        Wa-ith qala rabbuka lilmala-ikatiinnee khaliqun basharan min salsalin min hama-inmasnoonin
        
    15:29   "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
        Fa-itha sawwaytuhu wanafakhtu feehimin roohee faqaAAoo lahu sajideena
        
    15:30   So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together:
        Fasajada almala-ikatu kulluhumajmaAAoona
        
    15:31   Not so Iblis: he refused to be among those who prostrated themselves.
        Illa ibleesa aba an yakoonamaAAa alssajideena
        
    15:32   (Allah) said: "O Iblis! what is your reason for not being among those who prostrated themselves?"
        Qala ya ibleesu ma lakaalla takoona maAAa alssajideena
        
    15:33   (Iblis) said: "I am not one to prostrate myself to man, whom Thou didst create from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape."
        Qala lam akun li-asjuda libasharinkhalaqtahu min salsalin min hama-in masnoonin
        

    http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/015.asp



    I think it is pretty clear what the quran is talking about, the quran says nothing about the Origin of Life = first cell in these verses, he is simply describing the creation of man out of clay, he even FASHIONED man out of clay like a sculptor.

  • Re: Life from clay and Islam
     Reply #2 - August 19, 2012, 11:26 PM

    The greatest discovery of all times would be to find something that the Quran didn't saydance dance



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Life from clay and Islam
     Reply #3 - August 22, 2012, 07:53 AM

    always taking vague stuff to make things go their way but the more you read the more you find its bogus.

    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Re: Life from clay and Islam
     Reply #4 - August 22, 2012, 08:14 AM

    HUGE difference between proto-cells self-forming in clay over time, and hand-sculpting a golem from mud and breathing life into it with a magic spell.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Life from clay and Islam
     Reply #5 - August 22, 2012, 09:46 AM

    Who is this "we"?  Isn't Allah one?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Life from clay and Islam
     Reply #6 - August 22, 2012, 09:56 AM

    HUGE difference between proto-cells self-forming in clay over time, and hand-sculpting a golem from mud and breathing life into it with a magic spell.


    That is true but we must  realize  that there is also  HUGE DIFFERENCE  between that  claim from that Physics.org on that formation of so-called protocell which is nothing but some-lab made vesicles with some detergents &  air bubbles to that regenerative reproductive biological systems.

    This kid along with his momcan claim he made similar experiment with air bubbles and the potential  orgin of   life regenerating principle based on that.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Life from clay and Islam
     Reply #7 - August 22, 2012, 10:26 AM

    Martin Hanczyc: The line between life and not-life
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dySwrhMQdX4

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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