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 Topic: Golden Ratio and Mecca?

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  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #90 - August 27, 2012, 05:21 PM
    Quote from: Tonyt on August 26, 2012, 07:55 PM
    No, Muslim tradition holds that it was Abraham that built the Kaaba there, not Adam.

    thefaithinislam.freeservers.com/catalog.html and al-islam.org/kaaba14/1.htm :
    Quote
    Tradition goes that the Kaaba was ordained by Allah to be built in the shape of the House in Heaven called Baitul Ma'amoor. Allah in his infinite Mercy ordained a similar place on earth and Prophet Adam (p.b.u.h.) was the first to build this place.

  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #91 - August 27, 2012, 05:24 PM
    Adam was muslim before Islam was born  dance

    That is funny
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #92 - August 28, 2012, 12:46 PM
    Quote from: kereng on August 27, 2012, 05:21 PM
    Tradition goes that the Kaaba was ordained by Allah to be built in the shape of the House in Heaven called Baitul Ma'amoor. Allah in his infinite Mercy ordained a similar place on earth and Prophet Adam (p.b.u.h.) was the first to build this place.


    I had not heard this before. Can you provide the original source for this information kereng? I mean something from either the Koran, Hadiths, or Sirat.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #93 - August 29, 2012, 11:26 AM
    It's quite simple. Calculate the co-ordinates of the GR ratio, enter them into Google Earth, measure how far it is to the Kaabah.

    It's hundreds of thousands of metres away. If you are content to believe in an incompetent god that gives half-assed signs of its infinite power then your minimum standards for the acceptance of truth do not meet mine Smiley
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #94 - August 29, 2012, 12:36 PM
    Isn't the important point about Mecca being the centre of the universe? Which universe was that?
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #95 - September 03, 2012, 01:37 AM
    What about the part of the video that claimed Kaabah was the Golden Mean Point of Mecca and that Mecca was the golden point of Saudi Arabia?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #96 - September 03, 2012, 12:49 PM
    i dont remember those claims. But it is incredibly likely that they are simply lies

    Do you also believe that NASA have proven that kaaba emits infinite short wave radiation beyond Mars, connecting the earthly kaaba with the heavenly kaaba?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWS2JRjbo04

     Consider the possibility that these liars are lying.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #97 - September 07, 2012, 03:54 AM
    I still don't know why I find the golden ratio and kaaba and mecca so convincing..

    CAN SOMEONE JUST PLEASE PROVE ITS BULLSHIT?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #98 - September 07, 2012, 03:57 AM
    I don't think anyone can be bothered to spend time convincing someone who wont even acknowledge reasoned arguments.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #99 - September 07, 2012, 04:04 AM
     How do I know those arguments are true?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #100 - September 07, 2012, 04:24 AM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on September 07, 2012, 03:54 AM
    I still don't know why I find the golden ratio and kaaba and mecca so convincing..

    CAN SOMEONE JUST PLEASE PROVE ITS BULLSHIT?


    The world is a spherical. Picking any point is arbitrary.  It's complete bullshit. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #101 - September 07, 2012, 04:29 AM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on September 07, 2012, 04:04 AM
    How do I know those arguments are true?

    How many times did I say fuck off in this sentence?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #102 - September 07, 2012, 08:22 AM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on September 07, 2012, 03:54 AM
    I still don't know why I find the golden ratio and kaaba and mecca so convincing..

    CAN SOMEONE JUST PLEASE PROVE ITS BULLSHIT?


    Yes that means that the Pagans who built it and worshiped their idols there were right about their Gods  dance

    OK here are some stuff I found on Google:

    http://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-of-earth/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQgIKFv0Ac

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvOu1GEU3Jk&feature=related

  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #103 - September 07, 2012, 08:47 AM
    Do you agree that every place on these two pink lines is at the north south golden ratio point that you specified?

    If not, why not?
    If so, what is so special about Mecca?

    Quote from: dr_sloth on August 26, 2012, 09:27 PM

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    If you think that the mecca is the golden ratio point of saudi, and that the kaaba is the golden ratio point of mecca, then show your calculations.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #104 - September 07, 2012, 08:53 AM
    Cancun and Leon in Mexico also seem to be at the Golden Ratio of the planet Earth, I knew Cancun was the right place to party Cheesy

    I drew a straight line from Mecca around the world and the line clearly intersects Cancun and Leon.



    This is the Original Map, u can try it urself.



    Also this is where this map is taken from:

    http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world.html
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #105 - September 07, 2012, 09:11 AM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 11:55 AM
    Islam being true. And if Mecca was the golden mean point, that's very convincing evidence to me.


    Even if Mecca was at the golden ratio, how would that prove Islam to be true? Are there really no other religious temples around the globe that are at a golden ratio of the north pole? Or that have something miraculous about them?

    If you're so gullible, then you should be amazed by the fact that the 3 great pyramids in Giza are positionned in the same manner as the 3 stars of Orion's belt. Explain THAT to me now! Isn't it a sign that Osiris is the one true God? I find it even more mind-blowing than a black cubic construction being at the golden ratio. I mean that's all you've got?
    You can find something mind blowing about just any religion.

    You're talking about a book that says that man was created from clay, an idea that has been stolen from Greek mythology. And that the earth was flooded in 40 days, which is clearly impossible.  How would the all knowing god get such things wrong?

    All it takes is to find 1 scientific error in the Quran and it's no longer written by all knowing God. A book written by such a being must have 0 errors, and I just cited 2, and I'm sure there are many more. But even 1 is enough.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #106 - September 07, 2012, 11:01 AM
    Quote from: sturmgewehr on September 07, 2012, 08:53 AM
    *Cancun and Leon in Mexico also seem to be one of at the Golden Ratios of the planet Earth,


    don't forget that there are two north/south golden ratio latitudes, depending on whether you start from the North pole or the South.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #107 - September 08, 2012, 08:54 AM
    http://us4.memecdn.com/wut_c_690993.jpg

    Here, it's a sign of Jesus Christ
  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #108 - April 04, 2013, 06:36 AM
    Does anyone have the longitude measurements for this golden point? I know that the rationalizer does this in the video, but which reference point is it based on? Does anyone know the longitude measurements based on the reference point in the kaabah miracle video (i think it's from the mercator projection)?
  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #109 - April 04, 2013, 04:39 PM
    Sorry, anyone?
  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #110 - April 04, 2013, 06:27 PM
    Isn't the issue more that the scales are wrong?  The size of this universe.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OwGZR-EltI&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_710422
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #111 - April 04, 2013, 06:47 PM
    What? Sorry I can't watch youtube here.
  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #112 - April 08, 2013, 10:20 PM
    Yeah I have been hit with this one recently again.

    While the Golden Mean Ratio may have some geometrically satisfying and aesthetic qualities I don't see how it could have any geographical or geological, let alone universal significance.  No more than Pi. Its significance is being overplayed here. You can fit that ratio into anything you want and it's arbitrary given significance only by humans and is considered 'sacred geometry'. All those beautiful drawings of platonic figures in circles with proportions mapped out, are entirely manufactured by human perceptions of beauty which the universe doesn't give a stuff about.  Like the idea that a goat has demonic qualities because its head 'fits perfectly' in a pentagram symbol.

    This is no more than seeing shapes in the clouds. Numerology, Millennium Armageddon 'predictions'. Astrological charts.

    Aside from what the exact calculations are and even IF Mecca is on that point, Rio lies on the same point, where a huge statue of Christ the Redeemer happens to stand (would a muslim accept this as 'proof' of Christianity?), another one lands in the middle of the Ocean. BANG ON! IS this proof of Poseidon? In any case, weren't both Mecca and the Kaaba established ages before Mohammed's time, by polytheistic pagan Arabs, so why don't those gods get the credit?

    Also what divine significance does Greenwich Meridian have in islam? Why is this corner of southwest London allah's choice of datum-point by which universal sacred hotspots are measured. Is Greenwich Observatory not the Most Sacred Point on earth in this case? (which would actually be a good (bad) argument for science not religion as the way forward :-))

    The ironic point of this whole claim is that as that this Mecca Golden Ratio argument only makes sense if you use a yardstick devised by polytheistic idol worshippers (the ancient Greeks Plato, Euclid et al) and start your datum line established by a British Christian/Secularist Astronomer. Seems like allah is relying on other gods to make his 'miracle'  'work'.
    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #113 - April 08, 2013, 10:28 PM
    They actually don't use the actual Greenwich Meridian. That's the one which makes the kaaba 278 km away from the actual golden ratio point. They use a mercator projection I believe. Which is why I was trying to figure out the calculations based on that projection.
  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #114 - April 08, 2013, 10:33 PM
    It's irrelevant. Mecca is moving. So is the earth.

    They'd have a point if Mecca was a fixed position on the earth's crust and the universe revolved around it.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #115 - April 08, 2013, 10:49 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw2RPeujDV0
    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #116 - April 09, 2013, 03:14 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on April 08, 2013, 10:33 PM
    It's irrelevant. Mecca is moving. So is the earth.

    They'd have a point if Mecca was a fixed position on the earth's crust and the universe revolved around it.


    I didn't think of that too much. Nice point.

    Well, whatever. I'm tired of this miracle shit. Atleast the islamic miracles are more impressive than that Cheesy ^
  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #117 - April 09, 2013, 07:09 PM
    If Mecca happens to be on the Golden Ratio point, so what? How does that prove a god exists? Confirmation bias.
    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #118 - April 09, 2013, 08:15 PM
    Yeah, so overall, there are four problems

    1) Just because the golden ratio is significant in patterns found in art and nature based on design, it doesn't mean that it is significant in geographical 2D maps

    2) It is 20 km away from the golden point when looked at from the poles. However, any horizontal line going across the globe at the same latitude will achieve this. When analyzing the golden ratio point based upon latitude and longitude, the mecca is 278 km away using the greenwich meridian. Since there is no significant reference point when looking at longitudes though, a person can just use a map projection that gives him/her more accurate results, leading to bias.

    3) There are three other golden ratio points by latitude and longitude. One of them is in Rio de Janeiro, (however you spell it) which is primarily a christian city.

    4) Mecca, along with the rest of the earth, is always moving. In fact, a perfect creator would probably and most likely make the centre of the kaaba the exact golden ratio point.
  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #119 - April 11, 2013, 05:09 PM

    "After closer inspection, counting all the letters of the verse, we get 47 letters. Assuming that 47 letters is equivalent to 19980KM between the two Poles, then 12348KM should be equivalent to the start of the verse to Mecca, so how many Arabic letters count from the begining of the verse to Mecca? The answer is 29. Demonstration is below:


    As the picture shows, the letter count from the beginning of the verse till Mecca is 29;

    So 47/29 gives 1.620
    "
    http://quran.com/3/96
    That is the verse ^. Can anyone confirm this? I tried counting it many times and didn't arrive at 47. Perhaps if I count the shadda as a letter too. Are you supposed to count the shadda as a letter each time? Thank you, if anyone knows.
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