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  • Obligations to parents?
     OP - October 29, 2012, 06:23 AM

    Would you say that children are obligated to financially support their parents in their old age?

    Or would you say that parents should have planned for their future themselves to not rely on their children, and in cases where they didn't, and expected their kids to take care of them, that's too bad but the kids aren't obligated to do anything for them?

    Curious to hear both sides of the argument on this.

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  • Re: Obligations to parents?
     Reply #1 - October 29, 2012, 08:13 AM

    Different cultures have different ways of looking at it.

    Conservative cultures, especially ones that view the purpose of life is to settle down and have kids, are often the ones that expect parents to be looked after by their children in old age. I have come across a number of people who say 'but you must have kids because they are a financial security' or 'who else will look after you in your old age' etc.
    The reasoning is that you spend and sacrifice for your kids in their youth, and then after retirement they do the same for you.

    In a way, this makes some sense if you come from a poor or under-developed country. Such places rarely have any form of social security or national healthcare system, so as an elderly person there isn't a lot of support and medical bills can drain your life savings. Therefore you need to rely on your close relatives to help you out, and children are best placed to do this since the blood ties are closest.

    On the other hand, countries will a well developed healthcare system, national and private pension, infrastructure etc tend to move to the other end of the spectrum. People like to be independent and don't necessarily view themselves as 'old' just because they are retired. Children are a phase in your life - once they reach adulthood, it's up to them to look after themselves, and you get on with your life.

    Regardless of where you live and what you believe though, most people would agree that if your parents are seriously ill, crippled, housebound etc, we have an urge and a sense of duty to help them out in some way. Most people will pay for their treatment, and some might even have the aged parent move in with them to make it easier to look after them etc.

    Some people view it as mandatory - you have to help your parents no matter what.
    For me, it is a grey area. It depends a lot on your relationship with them and I believe that rather than force people to help their parents, things are better off if they have a choice. If you have done your best to be a good parent and cultivate a healthy relationship with your kids, then I don't see why they would hesitate to help you out (unless they were themselves in financial difficulty). Even if they can't always help you out financially, they will still be motivated to visit you, help you do your grocery shopping etc. It is a lot easier to do these things when you genuinely love and care about someone instead of going through the motions out of a sense of duty/fear/emotional blackmail.

    I think if parents can afford to save for their retirement, then they should be encouraged to do so. I've always discouraged my parents from pointless spending. My mum went through a phase of wanting to accumulate all sorts of gold jewellery for me (presumably as a form of dowry  Roll Eyes) but I've hated such things from childhood and always told her not to buy it or keep it for herself. I think in recent years she has managed to sell some of it and use the money for her expenses.

    Breaking such mindsets can be difficult though. If your parents are reasonably well off but still think they are entitled to being looked after, I'm not sure how to handle that - other than maybe being brutally honest with them, especially if you are struggling to make ends meet. Most parents I have come across don't like the thought of being a burden to their kids and will rely on their savings for as long as they can, but I'm sure this is not always the case in many parts of the world.

    /end rambling Tongue

  • Re: Obligations to parents?
     Reply #2 - October 29, 2012, 08:16 AM

    I don't think a child necessarily has any obligation to provide for their parents in old age, and I do believe everyone has a responsibility to plan for their own future.

    That being said, so long as the parents were nurturing, supportive parents, I do think it shows a good bit of decency on the behalf of the child to support their parents in old age and in times of need.

    I really think it depends on a lot of factors, not the least being that the parents are actually deserving people. There are many parents out there, and not all of them are decent people.

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  • Re: Obligations to parents?
     Reply #3 - October 29, 2012, 04:20 PM

    As far as I'm concerned I feel myself and my sibling owe an enormous obligation to one of our parents in old age given her sacrifices and nurture and support etc. The other one can go to hell without me batting an eye lid. For me it's all about what sort of parent they are.

    But I'm not going to tell other people what to think about the issue.

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  • Re: Obligations to parents?
     Reply #4 - December 02, 2012, 01:44 AM

    ^ I feel the same way now about my parents

    I don't think a child necessarily has any obligation to provide for their parents in old age, and I do believe everyone has a responsibility to plan for their own future.

    That being said, so long as the parents were nurturing, supportive parents, I do think it shows a good bit of decency on the behalf of the child to support their parents in old age and in times of need.

    I really think it depends on a lot of factors, not the least being that the parents are actually deserving people. There are many parents out there, and not all of them are decent people.


    I agree with this. Some are too controlling, have already mapped out what kind of life they want you to live and you don't have any say in it.  Some people should think twice before becoming a parent instead of doing it cause society, culture, religion demand it.

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  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #5 - December 23, 2012, 05:57 AM

    I feel that even though I might not like my parents I still should support them in their old age and let them live with me to return the favor for paying for my education etc..

    Although I might have to move out of the house and just give them money if they keep forcing religion down my throat...

    I mean I think children should support parents in old age but if your parents want you to listen to their every command like a robot, and give you a hard time they are basically pushing their children away from them. I mean how can they expect their children to support them if they are the ones who are harassing and annoying them about stuff all the time.  

    (i'm talking bout muslim parents of course)

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #6 - December 23, 2012, 06:05 AM

    ^ I feel the same way now about my parents

    I agree with this. Some are too controlling, have already mapped out what kind of life they want you to live and you don't have any say in it.  Some people should think twice before becoming a parent instead of doing it cause society, culture, religion demand it.



    Plus muslim parents seem to think they have a right to tell their children what to do ( as long as the action isn't unislamic) and the child is expected to obey or he has committed a sin.

    Islam really exaggerates the parents rights over the children but never mentions that children have rights as well.  This gives parents un realistic expectations of their children and ruins family life.  

    Heck I used to love my parents but their unrealistic expectations have made me start to hate them. For example my mom told me that I should be more like her friends' children (being really open and talkative with everyone they meet) and that I have problems I need to deal with. I tell her it's not my fault if I have a different personality than them (I'm kinda an introvert).  

    Then I get told I am not following Islam properly by disobeying her.

     Islam's parenting guidelines really piss me off !

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #7 - December 23, 2012, 07:21 AM

    I feel like I somewhat owe my parents but that's because they're awesome and have sacrificed a lot for me, especially my mum. They can be difficult and un-understanding at times; but isn't that true of most parents? You gotta cut your muzzi parents some slack; most of them have been in too long and are in far too deep to ever even consider thinking differently.

    I wouldn't mind looking after my parents financially in their old age and being there for them when they need me but, that said, they don't own me. I don't buy into Islam's "be obedient to your parents no matter what" BS. Sometimes what you want in life and what your parents want for your life are completely different, and there's no reason why you should sacrifice your happiness and mental health to meet someone else's expectations of you -- not even your parents. I love my parents and want to be there for them, and them to be there for me; I also want them to always be as proud of me as they are now but I don't feel that they have the right to make executive decisions about my life where it doesn't concern them.
  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #8 - December 23, 2012, 12:06 PM

    I keep on thinking I must sit down and calculate the full cost of bringing up the kids and send them the bill.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


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  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #9 - December 23, 2012, 12:48 PM

    I keep on thinking I must sit down and calculate the full cost of bringing up the kids and send them the bill.


    Hmmmm

    they paid you the bill from the day   you had sex with your wife  to all the way to preschool years with their unconditional love.  that is the price you pay to bringing them up.     Now if you paid anything else after their college .. that you should  calculate the full cost of bringing up  25 or 30 year old kids and ask the rascal to repay you back  moi..

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  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #10 - December 23, 2012, 01:01 PM

    they paid you the bill...with their unconditional love.  that is the price you pay to bringing them up 

    Awww, that's so sweet.
  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #11 - December 23, 2012, 01:24 PM

    I keep on thinking I must sit down and calculate the full cost of bringing up the kids and send them the bill.


    They didn't ask you to bone your wife and get them here in the first place.

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    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #12 - December 23, 2012, 01:25 PM

     Grin

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  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #13 - December 23, 2012, 01:28 PM

    They didn't ask you to bone your wife and get them here in the first place.

    damn you   I spilled my coffee on my key board 

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #14 - December 23, 2012, 01:37 PM

    Don't drink coffee, Yeez. It's not good for you.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #15 - December 23, 2012, 01:52 PM

    ^I think coffee will do him less harm than all the corona he appears to drink  Cheesy
  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #16 - December 23, 2012, 02:38 PM

    Quote
    bone


    unlikely

    Quote
    The baculum (also penis bone, penile bone or os penis) is a bone found in the penis of most mammals. It is absent in humans, equids, marsupials, lagomorphs, and hyenas, among others. It is used for copulation and varies in size and shape by species. Its characteristics are sometimes used to differentiate between similar species. The oosik of Native Alaskan cultures is a polished and sometimes carved baculum of various large northern carnivores such as walruses. The raccoon baculum is sometimes worn as a charm for luck or fertility


    yahoo answers   parrot


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #17 - December 23, 2012, 03:10 PM

    unlikely
    Quote
    The baculum (also penis bone, penile bone or os penis) is a bone found in the penis of most mammals. It is absent in humans, equids, marsupials, lagomorphs, and hyenas, among others. It is used for copulation and varies in size and shape by species. Its characteristics are sometimes used to differentiate between similar species. The oosik of Native Alaskan cultures is a polished and sometimes carved baculum of various large northern carnivores such as walruses. The raccoon baculum is sometimes worn as a charm for luck or fertility

    yahoo answers   parrot

    Ehi..,,...........moi ............................ what is that supposed to mean? .. yahoo answers.. ...Google answers ....  parrot answers...?
    well  that is OK ..  yahoos, Googles,  parrots.... they are not talking about me, they are talking about mammals........... quids, marsupials, lagomorphs, and hyena...walruses.... The raccoons..........

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Obligations to parents?
     Reply #18 - December 23, 2012, 03:13 PM

    ......... than all  the corona he appears to drink  Cheesy

     nah.. < 0 .03% blood alcohol level at any time of  the day ....   that is the rule of thumb

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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