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 Topic: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader

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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #180 - November 23, 2012, 05:57 AM

    Good article, nesrin. I've posted it in the other thread for balanced articles on this issue.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #181 - November 23, 2012, 12:10 PM

    i really liked the video "this land is mine" brilliant ..

    but since we're posting articles.. this one (if it hasn't been posted yet) is pretty interesting.. all about the competition of pics and who has the most bloody babies..
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/16/the-israeli-palestinian-politics-of-a-bloodied-childs-photo/

    a snippet :
    ........................................



    that is how propaganda machinery works  in modern times on web pictures and videos



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH-IINhvQvI
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    Hamas TV After Tel Aviv Bus Bomb: "God Willing, We Will Soon See Black Body Bags"


    But no one wants to look in to the basis of those killings .. it is not land.. it is not people.. it is stupid religious memes in that little brain

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #182 - November 23, 2012, 08:44 PM

    Gaza crowds surge at Israel border fence, 1 dead  says news

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    11:51AM EST November 23. 2012 -

    GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israeli troops fired Friday to push back Gaza crowds surging toward Israel's border fence with the Hamas-ruled territory, killing one Palestinian and wounding 19 in the first violence since a truce between Israel and Hamas took hold a day earlier. Hamas security tried to defuse the situation and keep the crowds away from the border, signaling the incident is unlikely to jeopardize the Egyptian-brokered cease-fire. The truce, which calls for an end to Gaza rocket fire on Israel and Israeli airstrikes on Gaza, came after eight days of cross-border fighting, the bloodiest between Israel and Hamas in four years.

    On Friday, hundreds of Palestinians approached Israel's border fence in several locations in southern Gaza. In the past, Israel's military barred Palestinians from getting close to the fence, and soldiers routinely opened fire on violators to enforce a 300-meter-wide no-go zone meant to prevent infiltrations into Israel. Since the cease-fire, growing numbers of Gazans have entered the no-go zone, testing expectations that such restrictions would now be lifted.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPRYoM60suM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=xRfB04wR4rc&NR=1

    Well you moved from US of A to Israel to Grow potatoes on the land That is from people of Gaza? ..  Why??    US of A has no land?? How about opening Schools and let the kids from other side come get some education? Growing Potatoes on that land is not a good way of helping locals..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #183 - November 23, 2012, 11:07 PM

    I think she meant she moved from the city of tel.aviv (and not USA) to kibbutz to work as a farmer.

    And it is not necessarily the job of israelis to provide education to kids from across the border, especially given that those kids' parents would more likely get outraged at their kids being  "brain washed by the evil zionists"   Roll Eyes
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #184 - November 24, 2012, 03:06 PM

    I think she meant she moved from the city of tel.aviv (and not USA) to kibbutz to work as a farmer.

    And it is not necessarily the job of israelis to provide education to kids from across the border, especially given that those kids' parents would more likely get outraged at their kids being  "brain washed by the evil zionists"   Roll Eyes

    How are you doing Rebel??  Only two posts and you are in to a tough subject., Well it is not she that I was talking about .. it is whole thing whole Enchilada ..  You see that guy .. Andy Breakell in that video.. the farmer.. He spent whole life in US of A and England.. and went all the way  to that border to grow Potatoes..  You see that organization "Kerem Shalom"(Vineyard of Peace). That is an  old organization .. supposed to improve social political structure/interaction in & around Israel and abroad..   And you can not become   "Vineyard of Peace" occupying lands,  building walls around Israel and growing potatoes inside Israel  by the folks who left west and living inside Israel.

    NOT THAT THEY SHOULD NOT  HAVE RIGHT BUY LANDS AND GROW POTATOES but  my point is,  you can build Vineyards of Peace  by doing that..  Any ways.. it is along story and tough subject. By the way I am NO SUPPORTER of ISLAM.. for that matter any religion. But I support to practice their religions with "GOLDEN RULE" in their preaching and in their actions.
    Anyways,  So rebel .. welcome to cemb..  I am sure you were reading me before,   some how that nick sounds familiar to me..    hmm good to watch this..

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIOY3Or-O6o

    Well... that is how Democracy works and in every Islamic country Islamist will win to start with..

    with best wishes
     yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #185 - November 25, 2012, 01:35 PM

    So.... extra-judicial killings are another thing that is only bad when Israel does it? Let's start a list of things that are bad only when non-muslims do it:

    -War
    -Colonialism
    -Cultural imperialism
    -Gender discrimination
    -Extra-judicial killings
    -Murder
    -Militancy
    -Weapons proliferation

    What else?

    An easy one : religious discrimination ! All that islamophobia business without much ado on apostophobia or any other religiophobia…
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #186 - November 25, 2012, 02:31 PM

    Interesting mix of stuff here: Gaza cleric issues edict calling violation of truce with Israel 'a sin'

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    A leading Islamic cleric in the Gaza Strip has ruled it a sin to violate the recent cease-fire between Israel and the Hamas militant group that controls the Palestinian territory.

    The fatwa, or religious edict, issued by Suleiman al-Daya late Saturday accords a religious legitimacy to the truce and could justify any act by Gaza's government to enforce it.

    "Honoring the truce, which was sponsored by our Egyptian brethren, is the duty of each and every one of us. Violating it shall constitute a sin," the fatwa read.

    <snip>

    Al-Daya's edict came after Moussa Abu Marzouk, a top official in the Strip's ruling Hamas, said that the group would not stop arming itself because only a strong arsenal, not negotiations, can extract concessions from Israel.

    <snip>

    "There is no way to relinquish weapons," Abu Marzouk said in his office on the outskirts of Cairo. "These weapons protected us and there is no way to stop obtaining and manufacturing them."

    Hamas' founding charter calls for Israel's destruction, but leaders of the group have also said they are ready for a long-term cease-fire with the Jewish state.

    Ok, so this is one time I'm actually glad to see a fatwa. Hopefully it'll do some good.

    Hamas' attitude still seems problematic. Obviously, the weapons Hamas had did absolutely nothing to protect the people of Gaza. Quite the opposite, if anything.

    Whcih leads to this: Why the Palestinians Will Never Win

    I think this article makes some very good points.

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    This is from a CNN poll finding today:

    According to the survey, nearly six in ten say their sympathies are with the Israelis, with 13% saying they side more with the Palestinians and 11% saying their sympathies are with neither side in the conflict.

    "That's nothing new," added Holland. "The number of Americans who sympathize more with the Palestinians has never been higher than 18% since the question was first asked in 1988. Sympathies for Israel have sometimes dipped below 50%, but have been over that mark for the past eight years."

    Well, to me, that about sums the Palestinian problem up. I've written this many times, and it hasn't always gone down well with my readers, particularly at the Guardian, as you might imagine. But this is a fact. The Palestinian leadership, with a couple of happy new exceptions like Fayyad, is just pathetic or worse. The Palestinians are among the world's most scorned and dispossessed people, but they've been saddled with the worst liberation movement in the history of liberation movements.

    First and foremost, if they'd been a nonviolent movement, they'd have had their state 20 years ago. No understanding at all of either the Jewish or the American conscience, which resists "resistance" at all costs but melts at the first sight of a person standing before a tank holding a rose.

    Second, the PA was until recently just hideously corrupt. Arafat and his cronies got away with stealing so much money from those poor people. Completely unconscionable.

    Third, they appear to have no understanding of why they're really losing. They're losing because American public opinion will never be on their side. Americans will always back the Jews. To Americans, Jews are nice, successful people. They're funny. Jerry Seinfeld. Who's gonna be against Jerry Seinfeld's people?

    You may think this is silly, but trust me, it's anything but. Roosevelt toyed with the idea of interning Italian-Americans in camps along with Japanese-Americans. You know why he dropped it? Because people around him told him that there is no way on Earth you can put Joe DiMaggio's mother in a work camp.

    In other words, and put more seriously, even as there was much religious bigotry afoot against Catholics in that America, middle Americans nevertheless had fellow feelings for Italians, just as they do for Jews today. Palestinians? Yes, as Bill Clinton said, the only Palestinians he knows are college professors and doctors. In Clinton's experience and in my more limited one, Palestinian Americans are a high-achieving and very warm people. But all most Americans know is, they're a bunch of terrorists. Palestinian leadership needs to take that seriously and change it.

    None of this is meant as a defense of Israeli leadership. They're schmucks, too, or worse. So I don't really like either side very much, in terms of their leaders I mean, which is why I don't write about this very often. But I do know that if Palestinians moved to nonviolence and undertook a smart campaign to improve their image here, they'd turn things around on a dime. Israel will ultimately do what America tells it to do, and America will become more sympathetic to the Palestinians when the Palestinians become more sympathetic.


    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #187 - November 25, 2012, 02:53 PM

    Yup as an American, Many people here have no sympathy for Palestine, like he said because of all the violent things that come out of there. Even if Israel is clearly in the wrong, people would rather side with them as a growing 1st world country, where they can visit and live, than a country that is 99% Muslim and kicks everyone out. I bet if there were more Christians living in Gaza or even Jews, we'd be having a different conversation. I don't think the world wants another Muslim majority country to have to spoon-feed, and babysit for terrorist activity and human rights.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #188 - November 27, 2012, 06:03 AM


    Whcih leads to this: Why the Palestinians Will Never Win

    I think this article makes some very good points.



    It describes how US global political power operates in actuality. But really, this likability metric is a really piss poor way to dole out basic human rights.

    And while certainly any approach would be better for the Palestinians than the current one of cowardly and ineffective rocket attacks into civilians, I think he's extrapolating far too much in concluding that simple nonviolent struggle would have gained them independence by now.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #189 - April 02, 2015, 12:23 PM

    "We are expecting difficult times with Netanyahu" says Khaled Meshaal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HBLohIGnPo

    And I say to him TALK TO YOUR SON apart from talking to Netanyahu

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrFXQBm0aHI

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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