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  • wind pollenation miracle
     OP - November 29, 2012, 04:04 PM

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    Between 1760 and 1766 Joseph Koelreuter carried out various plant breeding experiments. During this period he was the first western scientists to discover the role played by wind in flower pollination. However, many centuries before this, Muslims were already aware of this fact as it had been revealed in the Quran.
     

    "We (Allah) send the pollinating winds" (The Quran - Al-Hijr 15:22)


    So far, this is the least stupid miracle I know of.
    Anybody know why it is stupid

    i would have thought it is a simple observation to make, but apparrantely it was controversial in 1694 for Camararius to say that pollen is even involved.
  • Re: wind pollenation miracle
     Reply #1 - November 29, 2012, 05:30 PM

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    Between 1760 and 1766 Joseph Koelreuter carried out various plant breeding experiments. During this period he was the first western scientists to discover the role played by wind in flower pollination. However, many centuries before this, Muslims were already aware of this fact as it had been revealed in the Quran.
     

    "We (Allah) send the pollinating winds" (The Quran - Al-Hijr 15:22)

    So far, this is the least stupid miracle I know of.
    Anybody know why it is stupid

    i would have thought it is a simple observation to make, but apparrantely it was controversial in 1694 for Camararius to say that pollen is even involved.


    Where did you get that word "pollinating winds" dr_sloth ? I mean whose translation??

    let me put as many translation as I ahve on my my hard disk..(In fact I have more...)


     
    Verse 015.022

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    YUSUFALI: And We send the fecundating winds, then cause the rain to descend from the sky, therewith providing you with water (in abundance), though ye are not the guardians of its stores.

    PICKTHAL: And We send the winds fertilising, and cause water to descend from the sky, and give it you to drink. It is not ye who are the holders of the store thereof.

    SHAKIR: And We send the winds fertilizing, then send down water from the cloud so We give it to you to drink of, nor is it you who store it up.

    Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri: And We sent the winds that relieve the clouds' burden, therefore caused water to descend from the sky, then give it to you to drink; and you are not at all its treasurers.

    Mufti Muhammad Taqi Uthamani: And We sent forth winds carrying the clouds, then sent down water from the sky and gave it to you to drink, and you are not able to store it.

    Royal All-al Bayat Institute  Translation: And We send the winds as fertilisers, and send down out of the heaven water so that We give it to you to drink, for you are not the storers thereof.
     Ibrahim Walk:And We have sent the fertilizing winds and sent down water from the sky and given you drink from it. And you are not its retainers.

    KHALIFA: And we send the winds as pollinators, and cause water to come down from the sky for you to drink. Otherwise, you could not keep it palatable.

    Muhammad Ahmed and Samira: And We sent the winds/breezes (as) pollinators*\³AÌ» , so We descended from the sky water, so We gave it to you to drink, and you are not for it with storing.

    LAYTH SALEH AL-SHAIBAN: We have sent the winds to pollinate, and We sent down water from the sky for you to drink. It is not you who store it up.


    Brainless and brain washed Fools make out all sorts of science out of silly statements from that book,  including  evolution .. big bang theory.. bang bang liquid from ribs and what not. That word pollinators is not there in Quran.. it is  is added. I think it is started by that smart guy  dr. Chemist .. The Quran number guy.. who was Murdered in US of A  ..

    That is nonsense., What Quran writer did was simply make  rhyming words in Arabic to sing a song..

    It is like .. "We sent down winds  across the sky.. carrying the heavy  could and we send down the water from sky".. .....something like that ..

    There is no miracle in that verse.  What you have  is a statement on wind and rain clouds that every human being knew from  million or so years.  Forget humans, even animal in African jungles know when rain is going to come.  And these  Quranic  writers made some rhythmic words in Arabic to sing a song and praise that allah.  And..and fools in 20th century make that as miracle.. 

    well what can we do?? nothing..  Mock them and  move on..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: wind pollenation miracle
     Reply #2 - November 29, 2012, 05:32 PM

    'fertilizing wind' is still decent
  • Re: wind pollenation miracle
     Reply #3 - November 29, 2012, 05:41 PM

    'fertilizing wind' is still decent

    if some one thinks that way then,  In Quran wind is fertilizing rain/rain clouds...  not moving Plants seeds or moving pollinating hormones/chemicals  from plants

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: wind pollenation miracle
     Reply #4 - November 29, 2012, 06:01 PM

    So far, this is the least stupid miracle I know of.
    Anybody know why it is stupid

    i would have thought it is a simple observation to make, but apparrantely it was controversial in 1694 for Camararius to say that pollen is even involved.


    Would you not say that given the versions given by yeezeevee that 'Fertilising winds', means air that gives you life (as they would know if you were smothered you would die, and that dead people no longer breathe). They probably thought it gave you life through inhalation of good energies instead of the modern understanding of it's role in respiration et cetera.
  • Re: wind pollenation miracle
     Reply #5 - November 29, 2012, 09:28 PM

    Except we have clear evidence that us very clever humans had worked a lot of this stuff out 4500 years and longer ago.  Allah is a wee bit late!

    http://www.esp.org/books/sturt/history/contents/sturt-history-ch-01.pdf

    (Not copying and pasting from pdf.)

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: wind pollenation miracle
     Reply #6 - November 29, 2012, 09:33 PM


    An Assyrian relief carving from 870 B.C. showing artificial pollination of date palms.

    http://cls.casa.colostate.edu/transgeniccrops/history.html

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: wind pollenation miracle
     Reply #7 - November 30, 2012, 12:21 AM

    http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Theophrast.htm
    http://www.biologie.uni-hamburg.de/b-online/e01/01a.htm
    http://eeb19.biosci.arizona.edu/Faculty/Dornhaus/courses/read_ECOL567/Tansley%20Bronstein%20et%20al.pdf

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: wind pollenation miracle
     Reply #8 - November 30, 2012, 12:27 AM

    Given that it's sometimes possible to see pollen being blown around on the wind, I don't think writing about it is at all miraculous.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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