well Shahi is here.. I am glad to see him back.. achar posted a
tit for tat tubes to these
videos Let ussee what these guys are saying .. That guy
Christian convert to Islam says
"...does Islam asks Muslims to go and kill apostates? the answer is No. Islam teaches leaving Islam is something to do with god and man . The punishment for apostasy is postponed until the day of judgement. Islamic law has punishments for the benefit of human beings to protect the lives and wealth. In the holy book of Quran there is not single mention of death penalty for apostates and apostasy is mentioned at least 20 times in Quran.. "
That is what he says., Well let us read Quran.... 20 times..
003.100: O you who believe! if you obey a party from among those who have been given the Book, they will turn you back as unbelievers after you have believed. 004.088: What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.
004.089: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
004.090;Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
004.091: You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority.
005.053: And those who believe will say: Are these they who swore by Allah with the most forcible of their oaths that they were most surely with you? Their deeds shall go for nothing, so they shall become losers.
005.054: O you who believe! whoever from among you turns back from his religion, then Allah will bring a people, He shall love them and they shall love Him, lowly before the believers, mighty against the unbelievers, they shall strive hard in Allah's way and shall not fear the censure of any censurer; this is Allah's Face, He gives it to whom He pleases, and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing.
009.011: [But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.
009.012: And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist.
009.013:What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.
009.066: Do not make excuses; you have denied indeed after you had believed; if We pardon a party of you, We will chastise (another) party because they are guilty.
009.067: The hypocritical men and the hypocritical women are all alike; they enjoin evil and forbid good and withhold their hands; they have forsaken Allah, so He has forsaken them; surely the hypocrites are the transgressors.
009.068: Allah has promised the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the unbelievers the fire of hell to abide therein; it is enough for them; and Allah has cursed them and they shall have lasting punishment.
009.073: O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
009.074: They swear by Allah that they did not speak, and certainly they did speak, the word of unbelief, and disbelieved after their Islam, and they had determined upon what they have not been able to effect, and they did not find fault except because Allah and His Messenger enriched them out of His grace; therefore if they repent, it will be good for them; and if they turn back, Allah will chastise them with a painful chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall not have in the land any guardian or a helper.
09.123: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
009.124: And whenever a chapter is revealed, there are some of them who say: Which of you has it strengthened in faith? Then as for those who believe, it strengthens them in faith and they rejoice.
009.125: And as for those in whose hearts is a disease, it adds uncleanness to their uncleanness and they die while they are unbelievers.
009.126: Do they not see that they are tried once or twice in every year, yet they do not turn (to Allah) nor do they mind.
016.103: And certainly We know that they say: Only a mortal teaches him. The tongue of him whom they reproach is barbarous, and this is clear Arabic tongue.
016.104: (As for) those who do not believe in Allah's communications, surely Allah will not guide them, and they shall have a painful punishment.
016.105: Only they forge the lie who do not believe in Allah's communications, and these are the liars.
016.106: He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.
016.107: This is because they love this world's life more than the hereafter, and because Allah does not guide the unbelieving people.
016.108: These are they on whose hearts and their hearing and their eyes Allah has set a seal, and these are the heedless ones.
016.109: No doubt that in the hereafter they will be the losers.
047.025:
Surely (as for) those who return on their backs after that guidance has become manifest to them, the Shaitan has made it a light matter to them; and He gives them respite. [/b][/b] 088.023: But whoever turns back and disbelieves,
088.024: Allah will chastise him with the greatest chastisement.
well i am sure there are more verses that are related to apostasy and i will add them here as i read through Quran. So what do those verses say? I don't know allah knows the best.. who is allah?
Anyways one of the problems in reading Quran is., if we take just single verse out of the blues and try to extract meaning out of it, often it will end up giving any answer you like and that is the reason we have terrible confusion in interpreting these verses with in Islamic community or with in so-called Islamic scholars. So it is important to read at least 4 to 5 verses above and below the verse that we are interested in exploring and to make some decent meaning out of it.
"BEHEADING APOSTATES SHOULD BE EASIER THAN CUTTING BUTTONS OFF THEIR SHIRTS"ISLAMIC SCHOLAR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWyLq9A8rh4Shaykh al-Huwayni: The Penalty for Apostasy Is Deathhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqkxkqeCK8U
Topic: Apostasy and Islam - (@KShah_KE)